| 01:45 | <TabAtkins_> | "utf-eight" |
| 01:50 | <cbright6062> | Hixie: I have finished that blog topic I had mentioned writing. What do I do now? Post it here? |
| 03:28 | <Hixie> | cbright6062: ping annevk, he's more up on the blog than i am |
| 03:48 | <annevk> | cbright6062: I can give you an account |
| 03:48 | <annevk> | cbright6062: could you email your post to annevk⊙oc ? |
| 03:49 | <annevk> | cbright6062: if there's nothing weird I'll set you up |
| 03:58 | <MikeSmith> | annevk: how was the Notification meeting? |
| 04:00 | <annevk> | went well I think |
| 04:00 | <annevk> | posted a summary on the list |
| 04:03 | <MikeSmith> | k |
| 04:16 | <MikeSmith> | annevk: btw, have you looked at the Web Performance specs lately? plh tells me they are transitioning a bunch of them |
| 04:16 | <MikeSmith> | I remember you had commented on some of them before |
| 04:17 | <MikeSmith> | might be worth going back and checking to see whether they actually responded to your comments |
| 04:37 | <nessy> | somdbody's doing spring cleaning! |
| 04:38 | <nessy> | MikeSmith: is any F2F action happening yet? |
| 04:38 | <MikeSmith> | nope |
| 04:39 | <MikeSmith> | not for another 12 hours or so |
| 04:39 | <nessy> | ah good |
| 05:02 | <MikeSmith> | annevk: you want a ride tomorrow? |
| 05:03 | <annevk> | MikeSmith: I guess I should, but that group kind of gives the same vibe as geolocation |
| 05:03 | <MikeSmith> | yeah |
| 05:07 | <annevk> | MikeSmith: it looks walkable... I kind of want to try walking |
| 05:07 | <MikeSmith> | ok |
| 05:07 | <MikeSmith> | my an plh going there pretty early anyway |
| 05:07 | <MikeSmith> | 8am |
| 05:07 | <annevk> | ow |
| 05:08 | <annevk> | might have to do the same in case the walking fails :p |
| 05:09 | <annevk> | in other news, just finished Half-Life 2 |
| 05:09 | <annevk> | cool game |
| 05:11 | <MikeSmith> | does Valve make any web-based games/ |
| 05:12 | <annevk> | haven't seen any |
| 05:12 | <annevk> | can't believe I never picked up on this before, still have Episode 1 & 2, and Portal 2 |
| 05:13 | <annevk> | and maybe then they'll release whatever /r/gaming/ gets worked up about every other day |
| 06:02 | <Hixie> | (btw turns out i actually won't be around tomorrow, should be back wednesday) |
| 06:03 | <tantek> | Enjoy May Day! |
| 07:33 | timeless | is in Sunnyvale |
| 07:33 | timeless | wonders where annevk / mikesmith are staying |
| 08:05 | <othermaciej> | hello timeless! |
| 08:19 | <timeless> | hi othermaciej |
| 08:19 | timeless | discovers which channel/network this is and decides it's time to sleep |
| 08:20 | timeless | has to wake up today and catch a cab or something |
| 08:20 | <timeless> | see people in <8 hours |
| 08:21 | <othermaciej> | later |
| 09:58 | <AryehGregor> | So in the Google Groups discussion I was just reading, 1) back/forward work in some crazy way I don't understand (they didn't act as inverses), 2) the place I'm scrolled to in the page isn't preserved on back/forward, 3) when I got to the end of the page it refused to let me scroll down and I have no idea why because there's no visible scrollbar. |
| 09:58 | <AryehGregor> | Yay for HTML5! |
| 09:59 | <AryehGregor> | Finally allowing us to create hard-to-use pages that ignore all established UI conventions but are fully standards-compliant! |
| 09:59 | <AryehGregor> | I guess it would have been even worse without all the new APIs . . . |
| 10:08 | <AryehGregor> | At least back and forward *sort of* work. |
| 12:10 | <annevk> | timeless: "quality" inn |
| 13:26 | <annevk> | there might actually be an observable difference too between just tokenizing and using an insertion mode |
| 13:26 | <annevk> | consider e.g. "test<tr>" as input |
| 13:48 | <gsnedders> | More extreme given foreign content and breaking out of it. |
| 13:50 | <annevk> | example? |
| 14:02 | <gsnedders> | annevk: No, too close to exam time :P |
| 14:27 | <gsnedders> | Loading a page from cache, if it wasa originally sent with Set-Cookie, will that cookie be set again on cache load? |
| 14:46 | <annevk> | gsnedders: exams |
| 16:19 | <dglazkov> | good morning, Whatwg! |
| 16:19 | <dglazkov> | where's Ms2ger? |
| 16:23 | <MikeSmith> | timeless, staying at best western, 2300 el camino |
| 16:26 | <rniwa> | AryehGregor: yt? |
| 17:06 | <cbright6062> | annevk: You around? |
| 17:06 | <annevk> | yeah |
| 17:13 | <cbright6062> | annevk: Watch for an email from me. |
| 17:13 | <MikeSmith> | is https://twitter.com/#!/tabatkins/status/197373135153147906 an IETF troll |
| 17:16 | <cbright6062> | annevk: Sent. |
| 17:18 | <annevk> | thanks |
| 17:18 | <TabAtkins_> | MikeSmith: Well, that too. |
| 17:18 | <annevk> | cbright6062: okay looks fine |
| 17:18 | <annevk> | let me get you an account |
| 17:19 | <cbright6062> | annevk: Thanks. |
| 17:20 | <annevk> | password will be emailed to you |
| 17:20 | <cbright6062> | okay |
| 17:20 | <annevk> | let me know if something does not work out |
| 17:23 | <dglazkov> | dinosaurs rock |
| 17:28 | <timeless> | !summon ms2ger |
| 17:37 | <annevk> | dglazkov: you should look at your normative requirements in the Shadow DOM spec |
| 17:37 | <annevk> | dglazkov: e.g. the bit about the constructor has no normative requirements |
| 17:37 | <annevk> | dglazkov: while I guess you want implementations to do something with the constructor |
| 17:38 | <dglazkov> | annevk: can you file a bug? I don't want to forget this. |
| 17:39 | <annevk> | dglazkov: done |
| 17:40 | <dglazkov> | annevk++ |
| 18:17 | <cbright6062> | and posted. |
| 18:18 | <annevk> | cbright6062: can you adjust the heading levels maybe? |
| 18:18 | <annevk> | cbright6062: blog post itself is h2, anything inside ought to be h3 or lower |
| 18:19 | <cbright6062> | okay |
| 18:20 | <cbright6062> | fixed. |
| 18:21 | <cbright6062> | annevk: I was just following the standard I've learned for heading levels. Fixed though, since you seem to use a different scheme. |
| 18:42 | <MikeSmith> | cbright6062: are you still getting and DB errors from wiki.whatwg.org? |
| 18:46 | <cbright6062> | MikeSmith: No |
| 18:46 | <MikeSmith> | ok |
| 18:57 | <annevk> | rafaelw_: btw, http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20120501#l-448 |
| 19:02 | <AryehGregor> | rniwa, in general I'm not around during American working hours -- I'm now in Israel, GMT+0200. |
| 19:02 | <rniwa> | AryehGregor: ah, ok |
| 19:02 | <AryehGregor> | Right now I just logged on for a few minutes. |
| 19:02 | <rniwa> | AryehGregor: when can i talk to you? |
| 19:02 | <AryehGregor> | E-mail or bug report posting or whatever is best. |
| 19:02 | <rniwa> | AryehGregor: okay. |
| 19:03 | <rniwa> | AryehGregor: will do that. |
| 19:03 | <AryehGregor> | When I'm working it's generally between 8:30 and 6:00 my time, which is 10:30 PM to 8:00 AM Pacific time. |
| 19:04 | <AryehGregor> | And usually now more like 8:30 to 2:00, so even the East Coast I can't talk to much. |
| 21:01 | <smaug____> | annevk: does dom4 spec try to load something from whatwg? |
| 21:01 | <smaug____> | the latter seems to be very slow atm |
| 21:02 | <Hixie> | odd |
| 21:03 | <Hixie> | several people have reported several weird failure modes on that server today |
| 21:03 | <Hixie> | and i can't reproduce any of them |
| 21:06 | <annevk> | smaug____: yes |
| 21:06 | <annevk> | smaug____: stylesheet and script |
| 21:06 | <annevk> | smaug____: maybe just a script these days |
| 21:07 | <smaug____> | that is silly ;) |
| 21:07 | <annevk> | smaug____: it's at the end of the document |
| 21:07 | <smaug____> | given that whatwg.org isn't very reliable server |
| 21:07 | <annevk> | and helps with cross-references |
| 21:07 | <annevk> | w3.org isn't either |
| 21:07 | <smaug____> | true |
| 21:07 | <smaug____> | but the doc is in w3.org |
| 21:07 | <annevk> | if you volunteer maintaining that file you could host and maintain it on w3.org and I'll link it, no problem |
| 21:48 | <cbright6062> | By the way, just making a random observation: I find it amusing that the blog hasn't been formatted with the newer HTML coding. |
| 21:50 | <annevk> | never taken the time to update the markup |
| 21:51 | <cbright6062> | ah, makes sense. |
| 21:51 | <annevk> | well we have one or two times, back then support for new elements was spotty |
| 21:51 | <cbright6062> | ah |
| 21:51 | <cbright6062> | the new markup is a lot more universally supported now. |
| 21:52 | <cbright6062> | it's actually why I had originially formatted my article the way I did. |
| 21:52 | <cbright6062> | Lol |
| 21:52 | <annevk> | yeah, I guess if there's a good reason to update the markup again that aspect would be updated as well |
| 21:53 | gsnedders | may have somewhat broken html5lib tip by making it assert where we previously did bogus stuff |
| 21:54 | <cbright6062> | annevk: well, if you ever need a hand with it, I'd be willing to help. (updating code is actually one of my favorite things to do.) |
| 21:55 | <gsnedders> | http://code.google.com/p/html5lib/issues/detail?id=202 |
| 21:55 | <annevk> | if you're interested in doing that, sounds fine to me |
| 21:56 | <annevk> | I'd have to figure out how to give you ssh access I guess |
| 21:57 | <cbright6062> | annevk: I'm fully interested and fully willing to help. |
| 21:57 | <gsnedders> | jgraham: see above html5lib bug |
| 21:57 | <annevk> | cbright6062: so I can give you access via the WordPress interface right away |
| 21:57 | <gsnedders> | jgraham: (202) |
| 21:57 | <annevk> | cbright6062: ssh access is something Lachy can maybe arrange |
| 21:58 | <cbright6062> | annevk: sounds fine to me. Just send me through the proper channels. As for the Wordpress side of things, I'm ready as soon as you are. |
| 21:59 | <annevk> | seems whatwg.org is a little slow, but you'll be an Admin soonish which will allow you to update the pages |
| 21:59 | <annevk> | not quite an ideal interface to edit markup, but it works |
| 21:59 | <cbright6062> | annevk: I actually do it that way on a daily basis. Lol |
| 22:00 | <annevk> | well hey, if it works for you :) |
| 22:03 | <annevk> | cbright6062: you should be set now, have fun and don't kill it :) |
| 22:03 | <cbright6062> | annevk: I noticed. And trust me, I won't kill it. |
| 22:13 | <zewt> | anyone happen to remember a post with ian's argument against using URLs as identifiers for things that aren't actually resources (eg. XML namespaces)? |
| 22:14 | <zewt> | would like to be lazy and point to it rather than make it from scratch, heh |
| 22:17 | <zewt> | found one (webintents) |
| 22:18 | <gsnedders> | You know what would make removing dependencies on implicit unicode/str conversion easier in html5lib? Not have the stdlib rely upon them. |
| 22:42 | <annevk> | each year this push stuff |
| 22:42 | <annevk> | meh |
| 22:51 | <annevk> | dglazkov: what is the language in "Matching Insertion Points" trying to accomplish? |
| 22:51 | <annevk> | dglazkov: subsetting Selectors in that way seems like a bad idea |
| 22:51 | <annevk> | (Shadow DOM spec) |
| 22:52 | <annevk> | dglazkov: "host element" -> "shadow host" |