| 08:23 | <kennyluck> | Lachy, for bug-ish Selectors API feedback, would you prefer mailing list or bugzilla? |
| 08:24 | <Lachy> | if it's very minor, I can fix it now. If it requires more thought, then mail. |
| 08:27 | <Lachy> | kennyluck, ^ |
| 08:29 | <kennyluck> | Lachy, I'll send a mail then. |
| 09:00 | <matjas> | paul_irish: +9001 on externalizing the testharness.js docs |
| 09:01 | <matjas> | a separate website isn’t really needed, you could just use GitHub Flavored Markdown™ and something like docdown (https://github.com/jdalton/docdown) to auto-generate it from the .js source (e.g. https://github.com/bestiejs/punycode.js/tree/master/docs#readme) |
| 09:02 | <matjas> | so, have you guys seen this Local File Writing API proposal? https://github.com/devongovett/standards/issues/3 |
| 09:02 | <Ms2ger> | What, another copy of the documentation? |
| 09:02 | <Ms2ger> | I can't see how those would ever go out of sync |
| 09:49 | <jgraham> | paul_irish: I think that's rather beautiful. What markup format is it using? Can we use that inline and then automatically update the external docs from the inline docs? |
| 11:16 | <jgraham> | paul_irish: In general, I think it would be a good idea to make a modern-looking site to cover the W3C testing effort, with documentation from the various frameworks, instructions, stc. I think having all the information split across various wikis and repositories makes it very unapproachable and academic |
| 11:42 | <matjas> | Ms2ger, jgraham: that’s exactly how docdown works… it automatically generates it from the source as long as you use JSDoc-style comments |
| 11:43 | <Ms2ger> | Can we remove the copy in the readme, then? |
| 11:45 | <matjas> | Ms2ger: you could simply replace README.md with docdown’s output |
| 11:46 | <matjas> | php -f parse.php README |
| 11:50 | <Ms2ger> | Do you have something in python? :) |
| 11:52 | <matjas> | http://jonathan.tang.name/code/pyjsdoc |
| 11:52 | <matjas> | (haven’t used it) |
| 13:05 | <fflorent> | AryehGregor: one thing I did not understand with <a onlyreplace>. The @href attribute targets a full HTML document (with <HTML><HEAD>...) or a partial document ? |
| 13:06 | <AryehGregor> | fflorent, the idea was that it targets a full HTML document. |
| 13:06 | <AryehGregor> | Note that the idea has been abandoned, though. |
| 13:06 | <fflorent> | hmm, ok |
| 13:06 | <fflorent> | and why not a partial HTML document ? |
| 13:06 | <AryehGregor> | That wouldn't fall back gracefully in browsers that didn't support onlyreplace. |
| 13:11 | <fflorent> | AryehGregor: ah, ok. We could imagine a fallback that uses javascript. But I don't know what is the proportion of people having it disabled... |
| 13:12 | <AryehGregor> | fflorent, the whole point of onlyreplace is that fallback was supposed to be automatic and transparent. |
| 13:12 | <AryehGregor> | Also, the idea was that the URL bar would change like regular, so if the user hit refresh or bookmarked/restored, they would get the page you linked to without onlyreplace. |
| 13:13 | <AryehGregor> | If you did <a href="foo.html" onlyreplace> and the user clicked the link in an onlyreplace-supporting browser, if the page wasn't a full document, it would work fine at first. But then if they refreshed, it would just load foo.html from scratch and that would break. |
| 13:14 | <fflorent> | AryehGregor: oh, yes. I thought about a mechanism that would update the URL using hash bangs instead, or query parameters |
| 13:14 | <AryehGregor> | That defeats the intended goal of onlyreplace. |
| 13:15 | <fflorent> | to be transparent, yes I see know ... |
| 13:15 | <fflorent> | now* |
| 14:43 | <Ms2ger> | paul_irish, yt? |
| 17:15 | <zewt> | it's a bit depressing that even firefox has the broken "link to download goes to html that redirects to the actual download" crap |
| 17:15 | <zewt> | (the download site, I mean) |
| 17:16 | <zewt> | if I copy-link/wget one more time and end up with an index.html ... |
| 17:20 | <zewt> | heh ff13 still hard crashes if i open a webgl context with a 10000x10000 canvas |
| 17:23 | <zewt> | agh this is why I put off update firefox, they always break stupid things |
| 17:23 | <zewt> | now pages in my session aren't loading at all until i focus them, and i have to track down how to fix that |
| 17:25 | <zewt> | guessing browser.sessionstore.restore_on_demand |
| 17:25 | <Ms2ger> | That's a feature |
| 17:26 | <zewt> | a misfeature, you mean |
| 17:29 | <zewt> | agh |
| 17:29 | <paul_irish> | Ms2ger: sir. |
| 17:30 | <zewt> | and it's smooth scrolling on the mousewheel now, even though i have that turned off system-wide |
| 17:30 | <Ms2ger> | Aha! |
| 17:30 | zewt | *more about:config searching* |
| 17:30 | Ms2ger | tries to remember which test he was going to complain about |
| 17:30 | <zewt> | guess i should look at the changelogs to see what features I'm getting for having to fix these things |
| 17:31 | <paul_irish> | Ms2ger: probably the fontfacerule-constructors one? |
| 17:31 | <Ms2ger> | No, I approved that one |
| 17:31 | <Ms2ger> | The comment in cssom-fontfacerule, I think |
| 17:32 | <paul_irish> | mmmhm |
| 17:33 | <Ms2ger> | Also, yay tests! |
| 17:33 | <paul_irish> | \o/ |
| 17:34 | Ms2ger | keeps his comments about their quality to himself |
| 17:36 | <paul_irish> | :) Yeah I'd like to take a more focused approach on part of that spec |
| 17:37 | <paul_irish> | Was also talking to smfr, rniwa and others about upstreaming LayoutTests. Going to write up some documentation on how that can work |
| 17:38 | <kennyluck> | Is testing the Web forward happening right now or something? |
| 17:38 | <paul_irish> | just finished up yesterday. it was friday night and all saturday |
| 17:40 | <kennyluck> | paul_irish, oh ok. Thanks. Is there public video or something (so that I can share with other people)? |
| 17:43 | <paul_irish> | there was a livestream of the friday night talks but i dont think anything recorded... i'll ask divya to get http://testthewebforward.org/ updated with speaker decks |
| 18:02 | <Ms2ger> | paul_irish, so what do you think about doing one in Europe focused more on the DOM? |
| 18:03 | <paul_irish> | ++ |
| 18:03 | <paul_irish> | That would be awesome. I think Adobe would enjoy putting that on |
| 18:04 | <paul_irish> | I'll bring it up |
| 18:23 | <jgraham> | Yeah, that is totally something that we should organise |
| 18:32 | <kennyluck> | Ms2ger, yay, I just made another CSSOM bug into a mentored bug → https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765599 |
| 18:32 | <Ms2ger> | \o/ |
| 18:35 | <kennyluck> | paul_irish++, for the (promised) livestream :p |