| 01:06 | <zewt> | heh, greasemonkeying one thing that IE has always done better than FF: implicit submit on enter when a SELECT is focused |
| 03:10 | <nonge> | zewt, sounds like bad behavior to me … when you navigate with keyboard and want tab through the select options, the form gets submitted each time (for each option) |
| 03:12 | <zewt> | no it doesn't; up and down changes options, enter submits |
| 03:13 | <zewt> | (it shouldn't submit if you press enter to select an option when the dropdown is open, which I can't emulate with GM, but it's good enough as a workaround--whenever I have the dropdown open I'm on the mouse anyway) |
| 03:54 | <Hixie> | why is chrome validating fields before the 'click' event runs |
| 03:54 | <Hixie> | jeez |
| 03:55 | <Hixie> | hm, it's not |
| 03:55 | <Hixie> | wtf |
| 10:36 | <annevk> | *summon* Ms2ger |
| 10:37 | <annevk> | in 4.7. of http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/domcore/raw-file/tip/Overview.html#concept-event-listener-invoke we could write to not propagate exceptions |
| 10:37 | <annevk> | however |
| 10:37 | <annevk> | they should still reach window.onerror |
| 10:40 | <annevk> | added comments to https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17713 instead |
| 11:32 | <jarek> | do you know when browser vendors are going to kill the old flexbox? |
| 11:32 | <jarek> | it looks like Safari 6 will ship with old flexbox only |
| 11:32 | <jarek> | I'm not sure about IE10 |
| 11:33 | <jarek> | if I recall correctly they have implemented only the old spec as well |
| 11:35 | <jarek> | and the new spec is still in WD state, it won't get rewritten from scratch again, right? |
| 12:15 | <annevk> | Hixie: maybe you should stop displaying "Issues" on the issues graph |
| 12:15 | <annevk> | Hixie: only Bugs and Emails are interesting |
| 12:23 | <annevk> | hmm, ended up reading http://grumet.net/weblog/archives/000118.html this morning |
| 13:46 | <Velmont> | jarek: Well, IMHO (and I guess vendors agree), it'd be stupid to only support the new version, given that if you have a new version, it's not that hard to also support the old version. |
| 13:47 | <Velmont> | zewt: I agree with you there. I want <enter> to submit the form most often. |
| 14:37 | Ms2ger | wanders in |
| 14:38 | <Ms2ger> | *summon* annevk |
| 14:46 | <Velmont> | Ms2ger: That summoning trick isn't really working all that well... |
| 14:46 | <Ms2ger> | He should be here by 8pm ;) |
| 14:47 | <Ms2ger> | By which time I may or may not still be around |
| 14:47 | <Velmont> | Oh, the suspense. |
| 15:11 | <Ms2ger> | Looks like we need to tickle window.onerror |
| 15:41 | <Hixie> | anne: i still need to track the XXX markers (what the graph calls issues) -- it's only because i'm tracking them that i've kept them so low :-) |
| 16:30 | <Workoh> | Ello folks |
| 17:07 | <AlexNRoss> | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWOQrpfWRdQ |
| 17:11 | <annevk5> | The water here is too cold |
| 17:12 | <annevk5> | Hixie: ah k |
| 17:13 | <Ms2ger> | Velmont, what did I say? :) |
| 17:13 | <annevk5> | Ms2ger: later might work. Any ideas as to how to define it? Seems to generally apply to callbacks |
| 17:14 | <Ms2ger> | Haven't really thought about it |
| 17:16 | <annevk5> | Most callbacks are just async so you don't think you have to mention it |
| 17:17 | <annevk5> | I think it's something IDL/HTML need to define |
| 17:17 | <Ms2ger> | Makes sense |
| 17:17 | <annevk5> | Typing uppercase words on a phone sucks |
| 17:17 | <zewt> | s/uppercase// |
| 17:17 | <Ms2ger> | s/words// |
| 17:18 | <annevk5> | Not everything |
| 17:18 | <annevk5> | 💩 |
| 17:18 | <Ms2ger> | Is that a pile of poo? |
| 17:18 | <zewt> | nice default glyph you've got there |
| 17:19 | <annevk5> | Uhuh |
| 17:19 | <Workoh> | Hello folks. I've got a question as far as commenting goes, E.G: <!--[if gt IE 8]> <html class="no-js" lang="en"> <![endif]--> |
| 17:19 | <Workoh> | Those tags do not do anything beyond comment in a funky way, correct? |
| 17:21 | <AlexNRoss> | That is a horrible method of going about it and isn't proper either as the only thing before <html> should be a doctype declaration. |
| 17:21 | <zewt> | am I the only person in the world that has always seen that Firefox bug where the save-as dialog can't be submitted without pressing alt-s like there times? heh |
| 17:21 | <AlexNRoss> | Even though it is "comment code", it is still before the HTML if the user is IE7 or less. |
| 17:21 | <Ms2ger> | Comments there are fine |
| 17:21 | <AlexNRoss> | As well, other browsers wouldn't render that gt 8 either. |
| 17:22 | <zewt> | has happened to me since days lost to history |
| 17:22 | <Ms2ger> | The browser sniffing less so |
| 17:22 | <Ms2ger> | zewt, I don't remember hitting that |
| 17:22 | <AlexNRoss> | Ms2ger: Fine at a level of it will still be processed. But at a technical level, not fine. |
| 17:22 | <Ms2ger> | AlexNRoss, nonsense |
| 17:22 | <AlexNRoss> | That is the purpose of the <html> entity |
| 17:23 | <AlexNRoss> | Because the document is mime-type text/html so it is already implied that it is HTML. |
| 17:23 | <AlexNRoss> | So the <html> tag initiates the beginning of the HTML code. |
| 17:23 | <Ms2ger> | I'm not sure what you're trying to say |
| 17:23 | <Workoh> | <!--[if lt IE 7]> <html class="no-js lt-ie9 lt-ie8 lt-ie7" lang="en"> <![endif]--> |
| 17:23 | <Workoh> | <!--[if IE 7]> <html class="no-js lt-ie9 lt-ie8" lang="en"> <![endif]--> |
| 17:24 | <Workoh> | <!--[if IE 8]> <html class="no-js lt-ie9" lang="en"> <![endif]--> |
| 17:24 | <Workoh> | <!--[if gt IE 8]> <html class="no-js" lang="en"> <![endif]--> |
| 17:24 | <Workoh> | <head> |
| 17:24 | <Workoh> | Sorry for the spam. Give you a bigger picture perhaps. |
| 17:25 | <AlexNRoss> | What I'm saying is that comment code is declared in the HTML specification, therefore technically it should be inside the <html></html> as opposed to outside. Will it work outside? Yes. Is it proper? Not really. |
| 17:25 | <Workoh> | Simple question is: Are they hacks or will they effectively disable JavaScript? |
| 17:25 | <Ms2ger> | You are mistaken |
| 17:26 | <AlexNRoss> | Ms2ger: How so? |
| 17:26 | <Ms2ger> | There's nothing improper about comments outside the root element |
| 17:27 | <Workoh> | Being a bit of an idiot, I was just making sure I could remove those comments as that style of commenting is something I've not looked into. |
| 17:27 | <zewt> | (as long as they're after the doctype and charset decls) |
| 17:28 | <Ms2ger> | Workoh, nothing in there to disable scripting |
| 17:28 | <Ms2ger> | Search for Conditional Comments if you're interested in what they do |
| 17:28 | <Workoh> | Will-do. Thank you. |
| 17:29 | <Ms2ger> | (The one issue there is that non-IE browsers don't seem to get an html start tag) |
| 17:29 | <Workoh> | <!doctype html> above |
| 17:29 | <Ms2ger> | But no <html> |
| 17:30 | <Ms2ger> | Anyway, I'm off for a bit |
| 17:30 | <Workoh> | Hm. It seemed to validate fine but that's 5 for us. |
| 17:31 | <Workoh> | ...using modernize.js, should of thrown that in. |