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| 04:17 | Hixie | . o O ( looks like I have all the bases covered ) |
| 04:45 | <Hixie> | jgraham: feedback on https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16801 would be helpful |
| 07:32 | <kennyluck> | hi |
| 09:35 | <annevk> | GPHemsley: we do and that's not a reason to add more :-) |
| 09:35 | <annevk> | GPHemsley: in fact, for encodings we actively try to remove those from implementations to reduce complexity |
| 09:35 | <annevk> | GPHemsley: remove those that can be removed* |
| 10:12 | <asmodai> | So coming back to that Chrome / Sony website password saving, seems the HTML has autocomplete="off" which Chrome is honouring. |
| 10:13 | <asmodai> | And the other person used Opera which did save it, does that mean Opera's ignoring that part? |
| 10:45 | <Stevef> | FYI submitted patch to add <main> to webkit https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103172 |
| 11:57 | <Ms2ger> | Oh wow |
| 11:58 | <Ms2ger> | select.options == select in IE?! |
| 17:30 | <GPHemsley> | annevk: My point is, the fact that we have "too many" is not a convincing enough argument. I want to know what the actual flaws in EOT are. |
| 17:34 | <Ms2ger> | GPHemsley, you need a stronger case to add a format to the web platform forever than just not seeing obvious flaws |
| 17:35 | <GPHemsley> | Ms2ger: EOT is supported by at least one browser and there is a number of content on the Web that uses it. I'm not seeing the distinction between this and many other things that were implemented. |
| 17:36 | <Ms2ger> | It's implemented by just one browser, and I haven't heard of pressure on other browsers to implement it |
| 17:37 | Philip` | thought EOT had dodgy patent issues (plus a pretty rubbish specification which consists largely of fragments of C code) |
| 17:37 | <GPHemsley> | Ms2ger: But is there not a substantial number of workarounds to serve EOT only to IE? |
| 17:38 | <Ms2ger> | Sorry? |
| 17:38 | <GPHemsley> | Philip`: Patent issues is one thing; specifications with mostly fragments of C code seem to be pretty common, unfortunately. |
| 17:38 | <Ms2ger> | If people serve EOT only to IE, there certainly is no case for other browsers to implement it |
| 17:39 | <GPHemsley> | Ms2ger: I know there's a font-face workaround for something about IE; I just don't remember what it is. |
| 17:39 | <Ms2ger> | I vaguely seem to remember old IEs didn't understand the format() thingy |
| 17:39 | <GPHemsley> | ah |
| 17:40 | <GPHemsley> | There's also the fact that EOT is mentioned in css3-fonts |
| 17:40 | <Ms2ger> | I hope you don't mind me saying that css3-fonts is quite the dodgy spec :) |
| 17:41 | <GPHemsley> | You are free to say whatever you want; I'm just gathering information. :) |
| 17:41 | <GPHemsley> | Ms2ger: But could you elaborate? |
| 17:43 | <Ms2ger> | Let's say I hope that http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012Nov/0305.html isn't representative for the entire spec |
| 17:44 | Ms2ger | sees "Layout engines often convert base character plus combining character sequences into precomposed characters if they exist." |
| 17:48 | <GPHemsley> | so your main objection to the spec is that it doesn't actually say what UAs are *supposed to* do, it just says what they *sometimes* do? |
| 17:49 | <zewt> | (sounds like a description of some of the worst specs i've had to read) |
| 17:51 | <GPHemsley> | hmm... found this: http://novemberborn.net/2008/07/sifr3web-fonts-eot-140 |
| 17:52 | <GPHemsley> | http://novemberborn.net/2008/07/sifr3web-fonts-eot-140#comment-1097 makes an argument against |
| 17:54 | <zewt> | neon green background hurts my eyes |
| 17:59 | <GPHemsley> | hmm... there seems to be very little input/discussion about CSS fonts in general |
| 18:00 | <GPHemsley> | there is a whole www-font mailing list that basically just gets John Daggett's CCs from www-style |
| 18:04 | <GPHemsley> | background on the patent issue: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2012JanMar/0013.html |
| 18:07 | <GPHemsley> | If anyone is considering registering a new media type, this may help: http://www.w3.org/2002/06/registering-mediatype |
| 18:09 | <GPHemsley> | wow, even the IETF mailing list archives are stuck in the past... |
| 18:32 | AryehGregor | seems to have misplaced his editing repo somehow, how did that happen? |
| 18:32 | <AryehGregor> | Oh, good, I have a github mirror. |
| 18:33 | <AryehGregor> | Yay for DVCS! |
| 18:33 | AryehGregor | doesn't know how the repo on his server vanished, though, WTF |
| 18:36 | AryehGregor | finds it |
| 18:36 | AryehGregor | has not touched this setup in six months and is very confused |
| 18:37 | <AryehGregor> | Oh, wow, I forgot how complicated it is to add a lousy test. Sigh! |
| 18:37 | AryehGregor | leaves it for tomorrow |
| 18:38 | <AryehGregor> | Ooh, and the spec is totally broken for this case. Yay! |
| 22:00 | <annevk> | AryehGregor: if you want github.com/whatwg/editing and editing.spec.whatwg.org, let me know |
| 22:01 | <annevk> | GPHemsley: basically, we want to support as few features as possible as every feature has quite a big cost |
| 22:02 | <annevk> | GPHemsley: since only Microsoft does EOT, just as with their old filters or VML, it's not really gonna happen and will save everyone a bunch of trouble figuring out how it works |