| 01:20 | <GPHemsley> | You know, I'm surprised all these "don't use X, it's too inconsistent" posts haven't made their way to HTML yet |
| 01:21 | <GPHemsley> | (All values of X are generally old technologies that have evolved over a significant period of time: PHP, MySQL, etc.) |
| 01:21 | <GPHemsley> | They don't have the benefit of using years of experience to engineer away the problems and inconsistencies |
| 01:21 | <Philip`> | I thought that made its way to HTML ages ago, and led to XHTML |
| 01:21 | <Philip`> | but we've got over that now |
| 01:22 | <GPHemsley> | well, these posts post-date XHTML, but OK |
| 01:22 | <Philip`> | I expect nobody actually likes HTML, but most people have just got tired of complaining about it |
| 01:24 | <GPHemsley> | the Internet never tires of complaining |
| 01:25 | <Hixie> | GPHemsley: yeah, i couldn't work out a way to make hex, "season 1 episode 1", version numbers, IP addresses, 1.245e12, $1.23, and 1.23kg all sort correctly with one algorithm, so i had to punt on one and a half of those (hex and two-part version numbers) |
| 01:27 | <Philip`> | What about IPv6 addresses? |
| 01:30 | <Hixie> | they're hex |
| 01:33 | <Philip`> | Not really, since you'd want 2001:db8::1:1 < 2001:db8::2:2 < 2001:db8::1:1:1 |
| 01:35 | <Philip`> | Oh, you said hex was one of the things that didn't work, and they're not just hex but they are partially hex, so I suppose that's already covered :-( |
| 01:35 | Philip` | shouldn't IRC when tired |
| 01:37 | <Hixie> | i hear ya |
| 02:01 | <zewt> | some cases are logically incompatible with other cases, so yeah, gotta pick a subset |
| 03:40 | <zewt> | death to specs that screaming case MUST |
| 03:40 | <zewt> | was: re: readability matters |
| 03:42 | <zewt> | also it's 2013 and i'm still having to read ietf specs optimized for 80x66 fixed-width printers |
| 03:44 | <zewt> | i have a mental image of the people writing ietf specs printing them out on their daisywheel printers for proofreading |
| 03:44 | <Hixie> | zewt: they're not optimised for printers, so much as teletypes. |
| 03:44 | <Hixie> | (...which is worse) |
| 03:52 | <othermaciej> | I don't like boldface but lowercase must either |
| 03:52 | <othermaciej> | I think small caps must is not so bad |
| 03:57 | <Hixie> | i like "must" |
| 03:58 | <zewt> | just writing it in plain english is fine and doesn't make my mind stop and scream the word in my head every time |
| 03:58 | <zewt> | any kind of caps induces a pause and "MUST!!!!!!!!!" in my head as i'm reading, which is pretty catastrophic when i'm just trying to find out what something is supposed to do |
| 03:59 | <zewt> | relatedly, i can't read wikipedia without a user style to hide superscripts, because apparently they think having a footnote number every 3 words is somehow okay |
| 08:29 | <Ms2ger> | Hixie, now you're done with sorting, can you start on the useful work again? :) |
| 11:13 | <annevk> | In HTML, where did the note go that localization of applications has to be done server-side |
| 11:13 | <annevk> | ? |
| 11:22 | <annevk> | http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=3980&to=3981 |
| 11:29 | <krijn_> | Hey annevk, how's the UK so far? |
| 11:31 | <annevk> | krijn_: pretty good |
| 11:32 | <annevk> | krijn: quite used to living here actually, even though it's been just a month now |
| 11:32 | <annevk> | krijn: how's Brighton? |
| 11:32 | <krijn> | Pretty good |
| 11:32 | <krijn> | Quite used already, even though it's been just a week :) |
| 11:33 | <krijn> | Without any furniture, but heck |
| 11:48 | <annevk> | Same same, but a bad and and some wall-closet space seems sufficient |
| 11:49 | <annevk> | euh, bed, bath, and wall-closet space* |
| 11:56 | <MikeSmith_> | 🍺 |
| 12:05 | <annevk> | MikeSmith: yes |
| 12:06 | <annevk> | :-) |
| 12:08 | <MikeSmith> | I grabbed that from a message that brew emits now when it's done updating |
| 12:08 | <MikeSmith> | I dunno how long it's been doing that |
| 12:08 | <MikeSmith> | didn't notice it til today |
| 12:08 | <MikeSmith> | fun to see that in the console |
| 12:09 | <MikeSmith> | unfortunately just shows up as the replacement character in my irssi |
| 12:10 | <krijn> | annevk: the gf disagrees :) |
| 12:11 | <MikeSmith> | hmm yeah it seems screen(1) doesn't handle it |
| 12:12 | <annevk> | I tried to buy a TV yesterday and a sound bar, but that requires first having someone come over to see if they can install it on the wall at all |
| 12:13 | <annevk> | so for now I'll settle for the electro at Joe & The Juice |
| 12:22 | <krijn> | Man, I can't even get a proper internet connection |
| 12:24 | <annevk> | I have to wait a couple more days for that too... |
| 14:57 | <jgraham> | So what's the deal? Is *.nl moving to the uk? |
| 14:58 | <jgraham> | Don't tell UKIP... |
| 15:02 | <jgraham> | MikeSmith: I think all the WebSockets tests under submissions/Opera/interfaces/ are converted now |
| 15:02 | <jgraham> | Just cookies/ and unload-a-document/ left to go |
| 15:02 | <jgraham> | (i.e. the non-trivial ones :) |
| 15:03 | <jgraham> | Also I seem to have broken critic in some way so no pull requests are getting through at the moment |
| 15:03 | <jgraham> | Might look into that more later |
| 16:56 | <MikeSmith> | jgraham: ok |
| 20:05 | <jgraham> | OK, all but one WebSockets test should be updated now |
| 20:05 | <jgraham> | But I think the cookies ones might ahve got broken in the conversion |
| 20:05 | <jgraham> | I need to ask zcorpan to have a look when he's around |
| 20:14 | <Ms2ger> | http://i.imgur.com/kHWtqeq.jpg |
| 20:15 | <odinho> | O_O Little heartbroken foxy. |
| 21:22 | <GPHemsley> | How long until we get single-line comments in CSS? |
| 21:22 | GPHemsley | runs and hides. |
| 21:23 | <annevk> | I wonder why online furniture shops don't let you search by size |
| 21:23 | <annevk> | That'd be really useful |
| 21:26 | <jgraham> | GPHemsley: It's OK, making // at the start of a line valid would break the web and the CSS WG are far too responsible to evev consider that |
| 21:26 | <jgraham> | No, wait... |
| 23:30 | <Yuhong> | Well, IE9 finally supports XHTML, and IE8 is finally becoming obsolete. |
| 23:31 | <Yuhong> | The lack of XHTML support in IE8 is far from the only problem that make it a boat anchor. |
