| 00:09 | <smaug____> | is whatwg.org down? |
| 00:11 | <smaug____> | ah, works now |
| 00:39 | <Jasper> | Down again? |
| 00:46 | <zewt> | ... who would think that browsers can't generate a securely random token? heh |
| 00:47 | <jamesr> | 4 |
| 00:47 | <zewt> | 4 people? |
| 00:47 | <jamesr> | no 4 - chosen by a fair dice roll |
| 00:47 | <jamesr> | more seriously, what about https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/DOM/window.crypto.getRandomValues ? |
| 00:48 | <jamesr> | chrome 11+, firefox 21+ |
| 00:48 | <jamesr> | safari ???? |
| 00:48 | <zewt> | i mean, sicking guessed that there was a concern that browsers couldn't generate securely-random blob urls, i'm just wondering who would actually think that, heh |
| 00:49 | <jamesr> | oh heh. well they ship an API that's supposed to generate securely-random values to JS, so they'd better have a way to do it |
| 00:49 | <zewt> | on a technical level if you don't have a secure prng, you probably can't even do tls |
| 00:49 | <jamesr> | maybe you could point him at that API |
| 01:22 | <Hixie_> | Jasper: yeah, see dreamhoststatus.com for updates |
| 01:22 | <Jasper> | Aha, thanks. |
| 01:22 | <zewt> | http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/whatwg.org |
| 11:22 | <annevk> | beverloo: too pedantic for Twitter: they could have named it in a camelcase way ;-) |
| 11:22 | <beverloo> | perhaps, there's an inconsistent mix between lowercase and camelcase right now |
| 11:23 | <darobin> | that would make a great tagline |
| 11:23 | <darobin> | "AnneVK — Too Pedantic For Twitter" |
| 11:50 | <jgraham> | I thought that was Ms2ger |
| 13:40 | <zcorpan> | anyone with IE9+ around? |
| 13:41 | <jgraham> | Yeah, kind of, if I switch computers |
| 13:43 | <zcorpan> | i'm wondering what this logs: http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/2184 |
| 13:44 | <jgraham> | 600px |
| 13:47 | <zcorpan> | jgraham: thanks |
| 13:47 | <zcorpan> | so opera implements the spec, everyone else doesn't |
| 13:50 | <jgraham> | unpossible |
| 13:51 | <zcorpan> | inorite |
| 13:58 | zcorpan | installs jumpcut |
| 14:06 | <darobin> | does anyone recall something about it being bad for a random third party to mint their own values for @role? |
| 14:07 | <darobin> | ISTR a discussion in which it was frowned upon, but I can't seem to find it again |
| 14:10 | <jgraham> | Doesn't that have the same problem as minting random proprietary things in general? |
| 14:11 | <darobin> | slightlyoff: I take it you're aware of http://webdevdata.org/ and http://www.w3.org/community/webdevdata/? |
| 14:12 | <darobin> | jgraham: well, a) extension points are always evil, and b) there are varying degrees of proprietariness |
| 14:12 | <darobin> | in this case, the epub people are looking at transitioning from XHTML to proper HTML |
| 14:12 | <darobin> | they have idpf:type attributes the values of which would be a good fit for role |
| 14:12 | <darobin> | and dropping the namespacing would help |
| 14:13 | <slightlyoff> | darobin: nope. It looks to just be scraped via a crawler? |
| 14:13 | <darobin> | but at the same time, I don't think that importing all of the IDPF roles into mainline HTML is necessarily great either |
| 14:13 | <darobin> | slightlyoff: the data is from a crawler yes, but the CG is the author and I reckon you'd find like-minded souls in there to help port your extension and such |
| 14:13 | <wilhelm_> | zcorpan: browserstack.com is your friend. |
| 14:14 | <slightlyoff> | darobin: true story |
| 14:14 | <slightlyoff> | darobin: was entirely unaware of the effort |
| 14:14 | <slightlyoff> | darobin: thanks for the pointer! |
| 14:14 | <darobin> | slightlyoff: you're most welcome :) |
| 14:14 | <zcorpan> | wilhelm_: thanks |
| 14:14 | <slightlyoff> | ...and now I get to wait on my AC rep to approve it = ) |
| 14:15 | <darobin> | yeah, I love how CGs are trivial for anyone *unless* you're a member :) |
| 14:19 | <slightlyoff> | also, this looks to be an incredibly shallow crawl |
| 14:19 | <slightlyoff> | taht's not bad...but yeah |
| 14:20 | <darobin> | slightlyoff: I haven't been tracking the effort but I suspect they did a first page crawl based on Alexa, similar to the Paciello dataset |
| 14:20 | <darobin> | so yes, shallow |
| 14:20 | <darobin> | marcosc would know, but he's on some remote Greek island this week |
| 14:21 | <slightlyoff> | darobin: is there a graph analysis framework on top of this? |
| 14:21 | <slightlyoff> | darobin: or is it just an occasional crawl for now? |
| 14:22 | <darobin> | slightlyoff: I have no idea, but it's a fairly recent endeavour so I would assume it has goodwill but not necessarily much yet |
| 14:22 | <slightlyoff> | who is doing the engineering? |
| 14:23 | <darobin> | it looks like it's all marcos, but you'd have to ask him really |
| 15:49 | <zcorpan> | jgraham: format_value (in testharness) doesn't play nice with arrays that have circular properties |
| 15:50 | <jgraham> | I wonder if that's my fault or not |
| 15:50 | <jgraham> | Should be easy enoguh to fix I think |
| 15:51 | <zcorpan> | Maximum recursion depth exceeded(stack: format_value([arguments not available])@https://w3c-test.org/resources/testharness.js:500 format_value([arguments not available])@https://w3c-test.org/resources/testharness.js:500 format_value([arguments not available])@https://w3c-test.org/resources/testharness.js:500 format_value([arguments not available])@https://w3c-test.org/resources/testharness.js:500 format_value([arguments no |
| 15:51 | <zcorpan> | t available])@https://w3c-test.org/resources/testharness.js:500 format_value([arguments not available])@https://w3c-test.org/resources/testharness.js:500 format_value([arguments not available])@https://w3c-test.org/resources/testharness.js:500 format_value([arguments not available])@https://w3c-test.org/resources/testharness.js:500 format_value([arguments not available])@https://w3c-test.org/resources/testharness.js:500 fo |
| 15:51 | <zcorpan> | rmat_value([arguments not available])@https://w3c-test.org/resources/testharness.js:500) |
| 15:51 | <zcorpan> | is the message when an assertion fails |
| 15:51 | <zcorpan> | for objects this problem doesn't surface, it just says "[object Object]" |
| 15:52 | <zcorpan> | unless there's a custom toString that iterates over the properties, i guess |
| 15:52 | <jgraham> | Yeah, it needs to record things that it has already seen and avoid recursing into those |
| 15:53 | <jgraham> | I can fix this evening |
| 15:53 | <zcorpan> | ok, thanks |
| 16:04 | <zcorpan> | apparently ie10 implements this requirement of structured clone but opera/webkit/gecko don't: "Let output be a newly constructed empty Array object whose length is equal to the length of input." |
| 16:04 | <zcorpan> | test: http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/2185 |
| 16:10 | <darobin> | zcorpan: is there a test for that in the TS? |
| 16:10 | <darobin> | it's a requirement that seems to make sense to me |
| 16:10 | <zcorpan> | darobin: there will be when i submit the test i'm working on |
| 16:11 | <zcorpan> | which is "test everything you can think of in structured clone and transferable", which turns out to be quite a bit |
| 16:11 | <zcorpan> | i haven't even started with transferable |
| 16:12 | <darobin> | zcorpan: awesome |
| 16:13 | <zcorpan> | where "everything you can think of" is really more like "the least amount of tests to have a reasonable coverage of the spec", but still it's quite a bit |
| 16:51 | <gavinc> | URL spec question, http://a.example/%66oo-bar is not strictly equivalent to http://a.example/foo-bar but http://a.example/%E8oo-bar is equivalent to http://a.example/èoo-bar? |
| 16:53 | <SteveF> | slightlyoff: for background on how the webdevdata.org stuff was gathered http://blog.paciellogroup.com/2012/04/html5-accessibility-chops-data-for-the-masses/ |
| 16:53 | <gavinc> | from, "Code points higher than U+009F will be converted to percent-encoded bytes by the URL parser." |
| 16:53 | <SteveF> | slightlyoff: i.e. extremly lo-fi but thats my style and the limit technically |
| 16:54 | <slightlyoff> | SteveF: I'm trying to join the CGs now (which i wasn't aware of) |
| 16:54 | <slightlyoff> | SteveF: apologies for duplication |
| 16:55 | <SteveF> | no duping I nearly creamed myself when I saw your stuff, its great!!!! |
| 16:55 | <SteveF> | will happily promote and help where I can |
| 17:13 | <jwalden> | gsnedders: making asm.js compilation parallel is coming along pretty quickly, I'd be slightly surprised if it doesn't land before the next aurora/beta/release uplift |
| 17:37 | <MikeSmith> | "Is Sam Ruby happy? If not, make him happy." https://github.com/rails/rails/blob/master/RELEASING_RAILS.rdoc#is-sam-ruby-happy--if-not-make-him-happy |
| 18:26 | <rillian> | MikeSmith: that was my question, yeah. :) |
| 18:26 | <rillian> | the spec says it "must, on getting, return the track element's text track's corresponding TextTrack object." |
| 18:26 | <rillian> | so if there's no corresponding object... |
| 18:26 | <rillian> | fwiw Chrome returns a default empty TextTrack |
| 18:31 | <Ms2ger`> | rillian, clearly there always is one |
| 18:31 | <rillian> | is that clear? |
| 18:32 | <Ms2ger`> | Well, otherwise the spec would handle that case |
| 18:38 | <rillian> | I don't get the sense that the spec thought about that code path |
| 18:55 | <smaug____> | Ms2ger`: :) |
| 19:27 | <jgraham> | Someone want to review http://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/20 ? |
| 19:27 | <jgraham> | Ms2ger`: ^ |
| 19:28 | <Ms2ger`> | I'll look in a bit |
| 19:30 | <jgraham> | Sure, no rush |
| 20:46 | <Krinkle> | paul_irish: The repaint improvements in MediaWiki went live yesterday on English Wikipedia (MediaWiki 1.21wmf12) |
| 20:47 | <paul_irish> | Krinkle: Thanks! that's great to hear. |
| 20:51 | <Krinkle> | paul_irish: Though we've both done some testing, would be nice to get some feedback from you (or people you work with) on how it works out in a real world scenario (like the scenario that brought us here) |
| 20:53 | <paul_irish> | Sure thing. I'll take a look later today |
| 22:30 | <Hixie_> | anyone here have a default-setup windows or mac install for either israel or egypt they can run some tests for me on? |
| 23:38 | <Hixie_> | hsivonen: ping https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17845 |
| 23:48 | <zewt> | dear youtube: stop treating right-clicks as clicks. thanks -me |