| 02:38 | <pingveno> | Hixie_: yes |
| 02:39 | <pingveno> | <datalist id="foo">...</datalist><datalist id="foo"></datalist> |
| 02:40 | <pingveno> | <input list="foo"> |
| 02:45 | <Hixie_> | pingveno: let's see |
| 02:46 | <Hixie_> | pingveno: the spec says "The suggestions source element is the first element in the document in tree order to have an ID equal to the value of the list attribute, if that element is a datalist element" |
| 02:46 | <Hixie_> | pingveno: seems pretty unambiguous to me |
| 02:47 | <Hixie_> | pingveno: third paragraph of the list="" section, first sentence |
| 02:47 | <Hixie_> | http://whatwg.org/html#the-list-attribute |
| 03:39 | <pingveno> | Hixie_: Thanks, I think I was looking at the wrong spec. |
| 03:47 | <Hixie_> | what were you looking at? |
| 04:36 | <pingveno> | Hixie_: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/forms.html#the-datalist-element |
| 04:36 | <pingveno> | It's part of the first thing you get when you search for html 5 spec |
| 05:21 | <Hixie_> | pingveno: ah |
| 06:01 | <JonathanNeal> | Confession: I've used <subline> in so many projects that I only just remembered that it isn't in spec. |
| 06:03 | <JonathanNeal> | In all honesty, I don't know how I failed to forget. |
| 06:03 | <JonathanNeal> | Or how I managed to not notice in a validator. |
| 06:44 | <mansgrf> | http://xteensx.info/german-amateur-fucking-outdoors/ |
| 15:52 | <annevk> | Anyone here fancy defining xml:base: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20976 ? |
| 19:05 | <SoWhat> | Hi! I would like to add "web-author" meta tag. Here is description http://www.metatags.info/meta_name_webauthor |
| 19:05 | <SoWhat> | any suggestions? |
| 19:10 | <SoWhat> | can you help me do this? |
| 19:23 | <SoWhat> | I would like to add "web_author" meta tag. Here is description http://www.metatags.info/meta_name_webauthor |
| 19:23 | <SoWhat> | what should I do? |
| 19:23 | <zewt> | you just said that |
| 19:26 | <wilhelm_> | Just do ... what the page you link to says? |
| 19:34 | <SoWhat> | what does this mean to ping a user ? |
| 19:34 | <SoWhat> | wiki says "ping an autoconfirmed user on IRC" |
| 19:59 | <SimonSapin> | SoWhat: what wiki page? I guess "ping" just means talk to them |
| 20:03 | <GPHemsley> | SoWhat: Oh, yeah. "Ping" in this context just means "contact". |
| 20:04 | <GPHemsley> | I clarified the wiki message. |
| 20:08 | <SoWhat> | thanks SimonSapin and GPHemsley it is written here http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Special:ListUsers%26group%3Dautoconfirmed |
| 20:09 | <GPHemsley> | The message shows up on every page if you are not logged in. |
| 20:09 | <SimonSapin> | oh I see, autoconfirmed on the wiki |
| 20:09 | <SimonSapin> | wait, how did I get there? :p |
| 20:09 | <GPHemsley> | I put you there ;) |
| 20:09 | <GPHemsley> | I added everyone whose name I recognized |
| 20:10 | <SimonSapin> | ok |
| 20:10 | <GPHemsley> | under the assumption that if I knew your name, you had enough of a vested interest in the WHATWG that you wouldn't screw up the wiki ;) |
| 20:12 | <SimonSapin> | reminds me of how I somehow became part of the Servo team before they told me :) |
| 20:13 | <GPHemsley> | SimonSapin: There are instructions for creating users, if you need them in the future: http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/WHATWG_Wiki:How_to_create_a_user_account |
| 20:13 | <SimonSapin> | good to know, thanks |
| 20:14 | <SoWhat> | so guys, how about creating user account for me? :) |
| 20:14 | <SimonSapin> | I can do it I guess |
| 20:15 | <SimonSapin> | SoWhat: same nickname as here? |
| 20:15 | <SoWhat> | hmm |
| 20:16 | <SoWhat> | will users be able to see it? |
| 20:16 | <SimonSapin> | there is a username, and a real name. "Real name is optional. If you choose to provide it, this will be used for giving you attribution for your work." |
| 20:17 | <SoWhat> | okay |
| 20:17 | <SoWhat> | username same |
| 20:17 | <SoWhat> | real name Kārlis Baumanis |
| 20:19 | <SimonSapin> | Ok. You can use http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Special:ChangePassword after logging in |
| 20:19 | <SimonSapin> | GPHemsley: should I create an account for whoever asks? |
| 20:20 | <GPHemsley> | SimonSapin: I'd say a preliminary vetting wouldn't hurt. Hixie_ might have more to say on the subject. |
| 20:21 | <SoWhat> | SimonSapin: It automatically required password change after first login ;) |
| 20:21 | <SimonSapin> | good |
| 20:21 | <SimonSapin> | well I just repeat what it told me after submitting |
| 20:24 | <Hixie_> | SimonSapin: yes, unless they're obviously just out to spam us |
| 20:24 | <SimonSapin> | ok |
| 20:24 | <Hixie_> | i wish we could just have an entirely open wiki and blog |
| 20:25 | <Hixie_> | but, well, spammers. |
| 20:40 | <SoWhat> | As I understand, I have to use Proposed state, even though this meta tag is old and is being used a lot? |
| 21:03 | <jgraham> | SoWhat: Yes |
| 21:03 | <jgraham> | SimonSapin: Is Servo what you will work on? |
| 21:03 | <SoWhat> | jgraham: okay, thanks! |
| 21:05 | <SimonSapin> | jgraham: Servo, a bit of Gecko, and CSS specs. Starting May 20 |
| 21:07 | <SimonSapin> | earlier was referring to an email on the Servo list where it seemed a fact I was in the Servo team. That was after the interviews but before I actually got the offer |
| 21:08 | <jgraham> | Sounds cool. |
| 21:09 | <SimonSapin> | I can’t wait to start :) |
| 21:09 | <jgraham> | It feels like Servo is some kind of litmus test for the Open Web |
| 21:09 | <SimonSapin> | litmus test? |
| 21:10 | <jgraham> | If Mozilla can make a viable replacement for Gecko in a reasonable timeframe based on specs, the "open" part of "open web" is more or less a success. Otherwise it is more or less a failure. |
| 21:11 | <jgraham> | Of course there could be reasons for the project to fail other than "too much of the web was still def-facto specified in implementations" |
| 21:11 | <jgraham> | *de-facto |
| 21:11 | <SimonSapin> | I see, though it’s not only based exclusively on specs. Lots of prior knowledge. |
| 21:12 | <jgraham> | Sure |
| 21:12 | <jgraham> | Which makes my point stronger |
| 21:12 | <SimonSapin> | Sometimes all of CSSWG knows and agrees on some detail, but we just forgot to put it in a spec |
| 21:12 | <jgraham> | If it fails then we as a community failed to make it so that anyone, even Mozilla, could implement a new web browser engine |
| 21:13 | <jgraham> | I hope that one effect of the project will be to give feedback on the parts of specs that haven't been implemented since the spec was written |
| 21:13 | <SimonSapin> | WeasyPrint is doing okay so far, based on spec. But of course the bar is much higher for Servo |
| 21:15 | <jgraham> | We were doing that with document loading in presto as anyone who was reading the bugs we filed will have reaslised |
| 21:15 | <jgraham> | It turned out that there were a lot of issues in that part of the spec |
| 21:15 | <jgraham> | Partially because it's super complex |
| 21:16 | <SimonSapin> | document loading, is that what annevk is doing with Fetch? |
| 21:16 | <jgraham> | and partically because no one had actually tried to implement the spec before |
| 21:16 | <jgraham> | Not just fetch, I don't think |
| 21:17 | <gsnedders> | SimonSapin: No, lower level than that. Around how you initiate the DOM, and the like. |
| 21:17 | <jgraham> | Well not just lower level |
| 21:18 | <SimonSapin> | Ah I see. WeasyPrint does none of that (DOM, JS), so I haven’t had to care yet :) |
| 21:18 | <jgraham> | http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/history.html#history <- everything on that page |
| 21:18 | <gsnedders> | Oh-god-history-navigation. |
| 21:18 | <jgraham> | Plus lots to do with script execution |
| 21:18 | <gsnedders> | jgraham: I'm so glad you dealt with all that. I'm glad I avoided working on it. |
| 21:20 | <jgraham> | A+++ would work on again. |
| 21:21 | <jgraham> | But yeah, quite traumatic |
| 21:23 | <jgraham> | Kind of like trying to tip-toe your way across a dark room with holes in the floor and rotten floorboards that collapse when you stand on them and a light so dim it can only illuminate a small fraction of the space at a time. |
| 21:24 | <jgraham> | And the only evidence you have that it's possible to make it across the room at all are the people on the other side |
| 21:24 | <nimbu> | D: D: maybe they are zombies |
| 21:25 | <SimonSapin> | jgraham: did you manage to repair some of the floor along the way? |
| 21:25 | <gsnedders> | SimonSapin: Oh, the spec is far closer to something you can implement now and have it work. Still lots of edge-cases, though. |