| 01:41 | <MikeSmith> | Domenic_: yeah got it figured out |
| 09:05 | <zcorpan> | MikeSmith: are your changes online? |
| 09:48 | <annevk> | jgraham: final paragraph of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_computer#Developments |
| 09:56 | <jgraham> | annevk: I note that is all in the future tense, and slightly before that it says "In November 2011, researchers factorised 143" |
| 10:01 | <Ms2ger> | jgraham, r? https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/31 :) |
| 10:06 | <jgraham> | r+ :) |
| 10:07 | <Ms2ger> | Woo :) |
| 10:08 | <Ms2ger> | Almost managed to get it done in six months :) |
| 10:12 | <annevk> | jgraham: you said 15, so... but yeah |
| 10:13 | <Ms2ger> | (I have to admit that I found the sessions at the summit more interesting than this class) |
| 10:18 | <jgraham> | Ms2ger: UML? :) |
| 10:18 | <Ms2ger> | I managed to avoid that :) |
| 10:18 | <Ms2ger> | Machine learning |
| 15:14 | <rtc> | is it ok if I put div inside h2? |
| 15:30 | <annevk> | rtc: no |
| 15:31 | <rtc> | annevk, does it matter css properties of the elements with their position on html |
| 15:31 | <annevk> | I can't parse that question |
| 15:31 | <rtc> | so let's say if I make div inline element with css, can I put it in another inlin element then? is this ok? |
| 15:32 | <rtc> | sorry about my english, it's little bad :) |
| 15:33 | <annevk> | rtc: CSS doesn't affect semantics |
| 15:33 | <annevk> | rtc: so no |
| 15:34 | <rtc> | ok |
| 15:34 | <rtc> | it is strange |
| 15:34 | <rtc> | you guys need to work |
| 15:34 | <rtc> | on some thins, honestly |
| 15:34 | <annevk> | it's not strange at all, CSS is optional, HTML should make sense without CSS |
| 15:35 | <rtc> | annevk, this is me speaking because I have to change about 30 elements structure now -_- |
| 15:35 | <rtc> | coz I have put divs inside h2 :) |
| 15:35 | <rtc> | hehe good work so far |
| 15:35 | <rtc> | keep up the good work! and respect hixie |
| 15:36 | <rtc> | annevk, I have put 30 divs inside h2 why you made html so divs can't go in h2 :S |
| 15:36 | <rtc> | :D |
| 15:50 | <rtc> | annevk, I truly admire Timothy and his team |
| 15:50 | <annevk> | rtc: not sure who that is |
| 15:50 | <rtc> | his mission/vision and all who work on the project keep up the good work guys! |
| 15:51 | <rtc> | he will go where nikola tesla einstein newton platon aristotle pitagora are |
| 15:53 | <rtc> | annevk, can I ask you question about your personal info? |
| 15:54 | <rtc> | mor exactly where you work besides whatwg |
| 15:55 | <annevk> | rtc: http://annevankesteren.nl/about |
| 15:57 | <rtc> | thanks! |
| 15:58 | <rtc> | annevk, lets start a company |
| 15:59 | <rtc> | annevk, you look like a nice guy from the image :) hehe |
| 15:59 | <rtc> | look |
| 15:59 | <rtc> | seriouslly please decrease the size of the fonts! |
| 15:59 | <rtc> | they are too big |
| 15:59 | <rtc> | and dcrease everything and finally! |
| 15:59 | <rtc> | please remove top bad please |
| 16:00 | <rtc> | so I don't think internet explorer is better than firefox :S |
| 16:00 | <rtc> | they finally starting to work on the things with ie11 adopting webgl |
| 16:00 | <rtc> | on my total surprise |
| 16:02 | <rtc> | annevk, sorry but im honest :| |
| 16:02 | <rtc> | lately I feel firefox is left behind |
| 16:02 | <rtc> | please work on this |
| 16:02 | <rtc> | 3d preview is awesome |
| 16:02 | <rtc> | I always show my students that :) |
| 16:03 | <rtc> | they are simply amazed asking me how I made it, well I should give credits to you hehe |
| 16:03 | <rtc> | mdn site is awesome too thanks for making that, just remove the top bar from firefox and decrease fonts pls |
| 16:04 | <rtc> | and do something with google guys to make browsers simialr |
| 16:05 | <rtc> | annevk, yo udo 3d visualization? |
| 16:16 | <rtc> | annevk, should we change our html code in 2020 to html5? |
| 16:17 | <rtc> | because how things are going, people stil lsupporting ie6 it looks like 2020 will be target for html5 because people still will support ie 8 |
| 17:27 | <dglazkov> | good morning, Whatwg! |
| 18:28 | <rtc> | can I put block element inside inline-block element? |
| 18:29 | <Ms2ger> | Sure |
| 18:35 | <rtc> | Ms2ger, thanks |
| 20:00 | <annevk> | Does anyone happen to know if iOS carrier setting updates overwrite existing iOS carrier settings or whether it stores them all side by side? |
| 21:41 | <Domenic_> | Is ServiceWorker still the current name? |
| 21:44 | <annevk> | yws |
| 21:50 | <zcorpan> | maybe rename it at LC? |
| 21:51 | <Domenic_> | i too thought it meant prostitute but google says it just means waiter or similar. *shrug* |
| 22:32 | <TabAtkins> | What sort of verbage would be appropriate to refer to a trusted event which is appropriate for "activating"? Things like clicks and keyboard presses, but not mousemove events. |
| 22:33 | <TabAtkins> | Is there already a term for that? |
| 22:35 | <Hixie_> | TabAtkins: 'click'? :-) |
| 22:35 | <Hixie_> | TabAtkins: keyboard presses fire a click event before they trigger activation behaviours |
| 22:36 | <zewt> | keyboard events can trigger only-during-click stuff, even if there's no associated click, right? |
| 22:36 | <zewt> | (seems like they should, at least) |
| 22:36 | <TabAtkins> | Hm, maybe. Context is fullscreen and stuff - asking for Vincent. He's currently referring to something wk specific called "user gesture" which means "the subset of events that represent the user actually doing something". |
| 22:36 | <TabAtkins> | It might just be "click". |
| 22:37 | <zewt> | eg. you should be able to listen for key events to fullscreen if the user presses alt-enter, even if there's nothing to activate (or if you cancel the keypress event so you don't activate something unintentionally) |
| 22:38 | <TabAtkins> | zewt: Exactly. |
| 22:38 | <scheib> | Thanks for asking TabAtkins, I'm back at desk. |
| 22:38 | <rektide> | q: is there a specification where i can ask a webserver for a non-minified version of a page, a human readable please version? |
| 22:38 | <scheib> | Yes, and for pointer lock. Other events could be voice actions, or taps on touch screens. So.... these are all 'click'? |
| 22:40 | <zewt> | right: click is not what you want, and I'm not sure if there's any spec for this stuff |
| 22:43 | <rektide> | for some reason i thought there was some incipent view-source movement that had proposed a hook asking for "human friendly" assets, but i haven't found any links to anything except the view-source:// uri, http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yevstifeyev-view-source-uri-01#page-2 |
| 22:44 | <rektide> | which will open up the unspeakable compiled horrors no human will be able to read |
| 22:45 | <TabAtkins> | rektide: To the best of my knowledge, no. You may be thinking of humans.txt, which is unrelated. |
| 22:45 | <Hixie_> | rektide: http, but you have to know the URL of the non-minified version :-) |
| 22:45 | <Hixie_> | TabAtkins: sounds like you want something consistent with what is considered a gesture for the purposes of popup blocking |
| 22:45 | <TabAtkins> | Hixie_: Yes, exactly that. |
| 22:45 | <rektide> | righto, yeah. perhaps a misuse of Nottingham's alternative service might be permissible here |
| 22:46 | <rektide> | spdy-human |
| 22:46 | <rektide> | quick-human |
| 22:46 | <barnabywalters> | rektide: http://daneden.me/max-css/ comes to mind |
| 22:46 | <rektide> | quik-human even. alterantive transports, i need you |
| 22:46 | <rektide> | yes, your asset compiler is part of your transport |
| 22:46 | <rektide> | don't dare disagree with me, you mangling serializing toolchain |
| 22:47 | <rektide> | barnabywalters: yup, that's perfect. |
| 22:47 | <rektide> | i'm alas not well versed on source maps, what role they might play. |
| 22:51 | <Hixie_> | TabAtkins: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#allowed-to-show-a-popup may be helpful |
| 22:53 | <TabAtkins> | Hixie_: I'd have to chase definitions, so I'll just ask you instead - would that work to, say, allow fullscreening when the user presses alt+Enter? |
| 23:03 | <Hixie_> | TabAtkins: probably not, i don't see key events in that list |
| 23:03 | <Hixie_> | TabAtkins: (maybe it's not exactly the same as popup blocking) |
| 23:03 | <Hixie_> | TabAtkins: but it may give you a starting point for a list of events |
| 23:04 | <TabAtkins> | Hixie_: Okay, I was wondering if those were subsumed under that "click" entry. |
| 23:04 | <Hixie_> | i don't think so |
| 23:04 | <Hixie_> | that only happens when you e.g. click space on a button |
| 23:04 | <TabAtkins> | That's what I thought. |
| 23:04 | <TabAtkins> | scheib: ^^^ You can just copy that list and add the additional events you need. |
| 23:05 | <scheib> | Hixie_ Tab is asking on my behalf. I'm particularly asking about pointer lock -- but it should match fullscreen. My reading of allowed-to-show-a-popup shows it to be mostly right. I can see adding to a white list of events. I do notice that http://fullscreen.spec.whatwg.org/ seems to only refer to allow a popup. |
| 23:05 | <scheib> | Thanks, for looking, by the way. |
| 23:07 | <scheib> | A whitelist is unfortunate, it precludes future unknown but equivalently intended events. I'll try to capture that somehow. |
| 23:11 | <zewt> | doesn't prevent it, you just add to the list |