| 01:09 | <rniwa> | Hixie_: yt? |
| 01:09 | <rniwa> | aklein: yt? |
| 03:06 | <alancutter> | heycam: I have a couple of queries about https://github.com/heycam/webidl/commit/cb90cd9f6678d7e565708468f3331dc11dacf249 is this a suitable forum for that? |
| 03:08 | <heycam> | hi alancutter |
| 03:08 | <heycam> | yes here's good |
| 03:09 | <alancutter> | It states that numeric and DOMStrings are now distinguishable. |
| 03:09 | <alancutter> | The spec doesn't seem to be very clear on how to distinguish values as one type over another however. |
| 03:10 | <heycam> | that should be handled as part of the overload resolution algorithm |
| 03:10 | <heycam> | http://heycam.github.io/webidl/#dfn-overload-resolution-algorithm |
| 03:10 | <heycam> | all of the substeps under step 10 is where the type of JS value is looked at |
| 03:11 | <alancutter> | Aha, I wasn't aware of that section, thanks! |
| 03:12 | <heycam> | it's not that obvious from reading the steps, but if you have overloading of boolean and a numeric type and DOMString, and you pass a Boolean, Number, or String value, then you choose the corresponding one |
| 03:13 | <alancutter> | Also a minor nit, the example given in http://heycam.github.io/webidl/#dfn-distinguishable of an invalid overload needs updating. |
| 03:13 | <heycam> | otherwise, you prefer to call the DOMString one first, if there is one, then a numeric type overload, then a boolean overload |
| 03:13 | <heycam> | alancutter, oh indeed, thanks |
| 06:37 | <rniwa> | MikeSmith: yt? |
| 07:06 | <MikeSmith> | rniwa: here now |
| 07:06 | <rniwa> | MikeSmith: i'm seeing an error that assert_not_undefined is undefined in some of tests |
| 07:06 | <rniwa> | MikeSmith: in a test that I imported from web-platform-tests |
| 07:07 | <rniwa> | MikeSmith: has this function been renamed? |
| 07:07 | <MikeSmith> | I don't think so, no |
| 07:07 | <MikeSmith> | lemme check |
| 07:07 | <rniwa> | MikeSmith: as far as I checked testharness.js, this function doesn't even exist :/ |
| 07:07 | <MikeSmith> | ah ait |
| 07:07 | <MikeSmith> | yeah |
| 07:08 | <MikeSmith> | the test |
| 07:09 | <MikeSmith> | those imported tests must be relying on another file that defines it |
| 07:09 | <MikeSmith> | you don't get any errors in the console? |
| 07:09 | <MikeSmith> | I mean 404s |
| 07:09 | <rniwa> | MikeSmith: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/search?q=assert_not_undefined&ref=cmdform |
| 07:09 | <MikeSmith> | I vaguely recall something about this |
| 07:09 | <rniwa> | MikeSmith: it's only used here and never defined anywhere :( |
| 07:09 | MikeSmith | follows link |
| 07:10 | <rniwa> | the test also uses assert_not_null |
| 07:10 | <rniwa> | which doesn't exist either |
| 07:10 | <rniwa> | MikeSmith: let me fix it up by replacing them with assert_not_equals |
| 07:10 | <MikeSmith> | yeah |
| 07:16 | <MikeSmith> | hmm those came from the unipro guys |
| 07:16 | MikeSmith | is wondering how those tests made it past review |
| 07:17 | <MikeSmith> | tobie merged them |
| 07:18 | <MikeSmith> | rniwa: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/135#commits-pushed-381f0eb |
| 07:19 | <MikeSmith> | "assert_(not)_null and assert_(not)_undefined functions removed" |
| 07:19 | <MikeSmith> | https://github.com/sgrekhov/web-platform-tests/commit/381f0eb29e3a4a8fb1cd8b9511ca5dcf7252a197 |
| 07:20 | <MikeSmith> | so the copies of the tests you have are stale |
| 07:20 | <MikeSmith> | probably |
| 07:20 | <rniwa> | MikeSmith: interesting |
| 07:20 | <rniwa> | MikeSmith: but I just cloned the repo right now :/ |
| 07:20 | MikeSmith | takes a look in his close |
| 07:21 | <rniwa> | MikeSmith: oh, i think that change hasn't been pushed to w3c repo :( |
| 07:21 | <rniwa> | MikeSmith: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/blob/master/html-templates/additions-to-the-steps-to-clone-a-node/template-clone-children.html |
| 07:22 | <MikeSmith> | yeah |
| 07:24 | <MikeSmith> | I can transplant the change set |
| 07:24 | <rniwa> | MikeSmith: also, the test has the wrong expectation for cloneNode() |
| 07:24 | <rniwa> | per https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23565 |
| 07:24 | <MikeSmith> | oh |
| 07:24 | <rniwa> | now that cloneNode() is equivalent to cloneNode(false) |
| 07:24 | <MikeSmith> | that's a different problem |
| 07:24 | <rniwa> | MikeSmith: that indeed is a serious problem |
| 07:24 | <MikeSmith> | should have a separate PR for that I think |
| 07:24 | <MikeSmith> | yeah |
| 07:25 | <rniwa> | MikeSmith: so what should we do about these tests? |
| 07:25 | <MikeSmith> | you have any way to flag them for now? |
| 07:25 | <MikeSmith> | as "don't run" |
| 07:26 | <MikeSmith> | for WebKit testing purposes I mean |
| 07:26 | <rniwa> | MikeSmith: well, i'm trying to import these tests so i'd rather fix the tests and run them |
| 07:26 | <rniwa> | MikeSmith: but suppose we need to wait for sgrekhov to push the changes to w3c repo |
| 07:26 | <rniwa> | and then separately fix the cloneNode issue |
| 07:26 | <rniwa> | MikeSmith: I can file a issue on w3c repo about cloneNode for now |
| 07:26 | <MikeSmith> | I can merge his changes |
| 07:27 | <rniwa> | MikeSmith: that'll be great :) |
| 07:27 | <zcorpan> | huh, firefox renders a glyph for U+000D (in live dom viewer's log) |
| 07:29 | <zcorpan> | i also didn't know about catch (e if foo) |
| 07:29 | <rniwa> | MikeSmith: filed https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/issues/439 |
| 07:30 | <MikeSmith> | rniwa: thanks |
| 07:31 | MikeSmith | tries to remember how in git he can merge single changeset from another fork without cloning the whole fork |
| 07:34 | <rniwa> | MikeSmith: looks like parsing-html-templats/clearing-the-stack-back-to-a-given-context has the same issue (missing assert_not_undefined) |
| 07:35 | <MikeSmith> | yeah |
| 07:37 | <MikeSmith> | I count 19 files in that changeset |
| 07:37 | <MikeSmith> | that have either that or assert_not_null |
| 07:37 | <rniwa> | another interesting piece of information is that both Chrome & Firefox fail tests inside html-templates/additions-to-parsing-xhtml-documents |
| 07:49 | <rniwa> | MikeSmith: one more question |
| 07:49 | <rniwa> | MikeSmith: the idea is that w3c's tests will all be hosted under https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/, right? |
| 07:50 | <MikeSmith> | yep |
| 07:50 | <rniwa> | MikeSmith: or will there be multiple repositories? |
| 07:50 | <MikeSmith> | one rep |
| 07:50 | <MikeSmith> | *repo |
| 07:50 | <MikeSmith> | is the goal |
| 07:50 | <MikeSmith> | including the CSS tests |
| 07:50 | <MikeSmith> | but currently the CSS tests are in a separate repo |
| 07:51 | <rniwa> | MikeSmith: excellent |
| 08:03 | <rniwa> | MikeSmith: https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2013-November/025876.html |
| 08:03 | MikeSmith | looks |
| 08:03 | <rniwa> | MikeSmith: hopefully, we won't start another round of bike shedding this time :( |
| 08:03 | <rniwa> | MikeSmith: as much as I'm opinionated about this matter, I'd rather start importing tests now |
| 08:04 | <MikeSmith> | yeah, agreed, that's a better way to approach it |
| 08:05 | <rniwa> | MikeSmith: it helps a lot that W3C is moving all the tests into a single repository though |
| 08:05 | <rniwa> | MikeSmith: that makes things a lot easier for us |
| 08:06 | <MikeSmith> | well we'll see if the CSS tests ever do actually get moved |
| 08:07 | <MikeSmith> | I guess I should try to be optomistic about that |
| 08:08 | marcosc_ | walks in to find "Optimistic Mike" ... walks out again. |
| 08:08 | <MikeSmith> | heh |
| 08:19 | <rniwa> | MikeSmith: I can always throw in my vote :D |
| 08:21 | <rniwa> | MikeSmith: btw, i sent you an email about a meet up in tokyo if you have a time |
| 08:21 | rniwa | should get dinner soon |
| 08:21 | rniwa | visits http://www.gnavi.co.jp/ |
| 08:22 | <MikeSmith> | rniwa: let's definitely get together but new week is better for me |
| 08:22 | <rniwa> | MikeSmith: same here |
| 08:22 | <MikeSmith> | OK, let's plan on that for sure |
| 08:22 | <rniwa> | MikeSmith: i'm trying to get template element enabled by default in webkit this week :D |
| 08:22 | <MikeSmith> | rniwa: where you staying? |
| 08:23 | <MikeSmith> | rniwa: yeah, saw your webkit-dev mail about that |
| 08:23 | <rniwa> | MikeSmith: i'm staying at Hotel Niwa Tokyo |
| 08:23 | <rniwa> | but will be moving to Hotel Remm Akihabara on Sunday |
| 08:23 | <rniwa> | so anywhere along JR line would work for me |
| 08:23 | <rniwa> | but Apple is in Roppongi so metro works as well |
| 08:23 | <MikeSmith> | OK |
| 08:24 | <MikeSmith> | I'm right along the Oedo-sen, Nishishinjuku Go-Chome |
| 08:24 | <rniwa> | ah |
| 08:24 | <MikeSmith> | so it only takes me 15 minutes to get out to Roppongi |
| 08:24 | <rniwa> | MikeSmith: nice. |
| 08:24 | <MikeSmith> | but there are better places to eat |
| 08:24 | <rniwa> | MikeSmith: i'm wondering if koji could come as well |
| 08:25 | <rniwa> | MikeSmith: yeah |
| 08:25 | <rniwa> | Restaurants in Roppongi are great but they're expensive as hell |
| 08:25 | <MikeSmith> | should ping koji |
| 08:25 | <MikeSmith> | yeah |
| 08:25 | <rniwa> | MikeSmith: I don't wanna pay $150 for a dinner like I did yesterday LOL |
| 08:25 | <MikeSmith> | geez |
| 08:25 | <rniwa> | I know |
| 08:25 | <rniwa> | although that was for two poeple |
| 08:25 | <MikeSmith> | still |
| 08:25 | <rniwa> | so more like $70/person |
| 08:26 | <rniwa> | but it was still surprising given we didn't even drink alcohol. |
| 08:26 | <MikeSmith> | Nakano-ku is the best place to eat |
| 08:26 | <rniwa> | oh |
| 08:26 | <rniwa> | didn't know that |
| 08:26 | <rniwa> | west of shinjyuku? |
| 08:27 | <rniwa> | i actually think even shinjyuku will be a saner place to eat than roppongi LOL |
| 08:27 | <MikeSmith> | yeah |
| 08:27 | <MikeSmith> | yeah, shinjuku is always fine by me |
| 08:27 | <rniwa> | anyway, let's figure it out date & place over email |
| 08:28 | <MikeSmith> | OK |
| 08:28 | <rniwa> | i'm basically free any date other than monday & tuesday evenings |
| 08:28 | <rniwa> | (leaving on saturday afternoon) |
| 08:30 | <MikeSmith> | 了解 |
| 08:31 | <rniwa> | MikeSmith: gatta get food now . thanks for the help for the tests. see you later. |
| 08:32 | <MikeSmith> | see you |
| 08:32 | <MikeSmith> | have a good eveningin |
| 09:13 | <zcorpan> | MikeSmith: what's the plan for w3c-test.org when wptserve lands? |
| 09:51 | <MikeSmith> | zcorpan: to switch it over |
| 09:51 | <MikeSmith> | hopefully |
| 09:53 | <MikeSmith> | if you mean as far as deploying wptserve there and getting rid of the php there |
| 09:54 | <MikeSmith> | though I guess that (surprise suprise) the thing that may prevent that is if the CSS WG |
| 09:56 | <MikeSmith> | if they're relying on the php |
| 09:56 | <zcorpan> | hsivonen: do you have a pointer to your json bom email? |
| 09:57 | <zcorpan> | MikeSmith: does w3c-test.org host css wg tests? |
| 09:58 | <MikeSmith> | it does |
| 09:59 | <MikeSmith> | their tests get mirrored there automatically whenever they push |
| 09:59 | <MikeSmith> | mercurial |
| 09:59 | <MikeSmith> | as we are doing for wpt |
| 10:00 | <MikeSmith> | except that from mercurial as we did for wpt beofre we moved to github |
| 10:01 | <zcorpan> | i see two .php files in the css repo |
| 10:01 | <zcorpan> | under incoming/ |
| 10:01 | <zcorpan> | so that should be OK |
| 10:02 | <zcorpan> | which aren't even dynamic, so could be replaced with static files |
| 10:10 | <MikeSmith> | ok |
| 10:10 | <MikeSmith> | good |
| 10:11 | <MikeSmith> | btw if anybody would like to merge https://github.com/sgrekhov/web-platform-tests/commit/cef3e47ce2ef73ab2b791202c93cdad9a63a601e please do |
| 10:11 | <MikeSmith> | sgrekhov commit from an hour or so ago |
| 10:11 | <MikeSmith> | one of the unipro guys |
| 10:11 | <MikeSmith> | dammit |
| 10:12 | <MikeSmith> | he also include the change for the spec non-conformance thing that rniwa found |
| 10:12 | <MikeSmith> | in the same commit |
| 10:12 | <MikeSmith> | which, it's good that he fixed it, but better if he had done a separate commit |
| 10:13 | <MikeSmith> | https://github.com/sgrekhov/web-platform-tests/commit/cef3e47ce2ef73ab2b791202c93cdad9a63a601e#diff-de538db290d955367a1d544c773e7efcL62 is what I mean |
| 10:41 | <hsivonen> | German Thunderbird defaults to ISO-8859-15 for outgoing email. |
| 10:41 | hsivonen | disapproves |
| 10:42 | <hsivonen> | hmm. even the latest update to my ISO-8859-15 considered harmful post is 9 years old: http://hsivonen.fi/iso-8859-15/ |
| 11:23 | <annevk> | hsivonen: I like the English tl;dr |
| 11:23 | <annevk> | more like tl;du |
| 11:26 | <hsivonen> | annevk: I disapprove of the linguists bikeshedding and then evangelizing an ISO-8859-1-incompatible encoding when 1) everyone should move to UTF-8 and 2) an ISO-8859-1-compatible 8-bit encoding with the relevant characters already exists (windows-1252) |
| 11:27 | <hsivonen> | annevk: it seems that the linguists were evangelizing ISO-8859-15 in the major newspaper at the time I wrote that |
| 11:27 | <hsivonen> | I can't remember if I sent the text to the newspaper and they rejected it and that's how I ended up putting it on the Web |
| 11:27 | <hsivonen> | the writing style looks like I intended it for the newspaper |
| 11:27 | <hsivonen> | can't recall |
| 11:28 | <hsivonen> | and it was sad that the Linux distros migrated from ISO-8859-1 to ISO-8859-15 in response to misguided evangelism |
| 11:29 | <hsivonen> | instead of going directly to UTF-8 |
| 11:29 | <annevk> | sad panda |
| 11:29 | <hsivonen> | but fortunately, some time in the last 9 years, Linux distros converted to UTF-8 anyway |
| 12:37 | <hsivonen> | gedit doesn't support HZ |
| 12:38 | <hsivonen> | makes writing test cases harder |
| 12:38 | <hsivonen> | (also makes one suspect the usefulness of HZ) |
| 13:52 | <zcorpan> | jgraham: hmm, i made some changes to a separate branch and wanted to commit those changes, but it appears i also committed something for tools/pywebsocket and tools/wptserve |
| 13:54 | <jgraham> | zcorpan: If you actually did, you should be able to get back to the previous state and redo the commit |
| 13:54 | <jgraham> | Like git reset --mixed HEAD~ |
| 13:54 | <jgraham> | Which should leave the working tree alone, but reset HEAD to the commit before HEAD |
| 13:55 | <jgraham> | Then you can redo the last commit with just the changes you want |
| 13:57 | <zcorpan> | ok thanks. i see what i did wrong now. i thought i was in a subdirectory and did `git add *` but actually i was at the root |
| 14:15 | <zcorpan> | thanks jgraham |
| 14:15 | <jgraham> | np |
| 14:16 | <zcorpan> | next up is making the tests reflect the current spec :-/ |
| 14:16 | <zcorpan> | addEventListener needs to be properly tested, and i don't know how today's change affects the tests, if anything |
| 14:17 | <Ms2ger> | We don't exactly have a lot of tests for addEventListener, I'm afraid |
| 14:17 | <jgraham> | Today's change? |
| 14:17 | <zcorpan> | http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=8302&to=8303 |
| 14:17 | <jgraham> | It's probably in the "well obviously *that* works" bucket of things that people don't bother writing tests for |
| 14:18 | <Ms2ger> | Until I find bugs in Servo's implementation :) |
| 14:18 | <zewt> | the real fun is xcode, which thinks it's smart and stages git changes all the time |
| 14:18 | <zewt> | need to find how to turn that off, causes me no end of grief |
| 14:21 | jgraham | has no idea if zewt intended that for this channel. Maybe it was related to the git conversion above |
| 14:24 | <zcorpan> | Hixie_: does http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=8302&to=8303 change something that is interesting to write a test case for? does it affect this test http://w3c-test.org/web-platform-tests/master/html/webappapis/scripting/processing-model-2/compile-error-in-body-onerror.html ? |
| 14:25 | <jgraham> | zcorpan: You saw that bz has some tests in the bug? |
| 14:26 | <jgraham> | (I assume that the point of the change is that onfoo causes a syntax error only when it is actually called for the first time. But I didn't read it in detail) |
| 14:27 | <jgraham> | (assuming the attribute contains a script with a syntax error ofc) |
| 14:30 | <zcorpan> | ok so the spec previously required onerror to be invoked each time |
| 14:31 | <zcorpan> | i think that was considered when opera implemented onerror and we concluded that it was possible to compile once but invoke onerror anyway |
| 14:33 | <zcorpan> | i have http://w3c-test.org/web-platform-tests/master/html/webappapis/scripting/processing-model-2/compile-error-in-attribute.html but it only fires one event |
| 15:06 | <jgraham> | zcorpan: :-o |
| 15:06 | <jgraham> | What are we expected to do with all those .pl files? |
| 15:07 | <zcorpan> | jgraham: rewrite to web driver? |
| 15:07 | <zcorpan> | jgraham: someone was going to do that and wanted our .pl hacks as a starting point, i think |
| 15:07 | <Ms2ger> | .pl? Fun |
| 15:08 | <zcorpan> | jgraham: maybe that PR doesn't need to be merged, but rather dropped when there's a web driver thing as a separate PR |
| 15:08 | <jgraham> | zcorpan: OK |
| 15:08 | <jgraham> | Would be nice to have a comment to that effect |
| 15:08 | <zcorpan> | sure |
| 15:09 | <jgraham> | Also, good luck to whoever was going to rewrite those |
| 15:13 | <SimonSapin> | why does Thunderbird use different fonts for different character encodings? And very ugly fonts |
| 15:14 | <jgraham> | Probably picks a font that it expects to have all the glyphs for that encoding, rather than doing per-glyph substitution |
| 15:14 | <jgraham> | But I don't know ofc |
| 15:15 | <jgraham> | And yeah, when people set far-east encodings it gets really ugly |
| 15:35 | <jgraham> | Looks like Pointer Events is using the DOM 2 style of spec |
| 15:35 | <jgraham> | Would be nice if Respec didn't support that |
| 15:42 | <darobin> | jgraham: get me 2-3 uninterrupted days in a row and I'll finally fix that... |
| 15:43 | <Ms2ger> | Heh |
| 15:43 | <Ms2ger> | Give darobin an uninterrupted week, he'll solve world hunger :) |
| 15:44 | <darobin> | I'll throw in cancer if you give me the weekend too :) |
| 15:45 | jgraham | takes a grenade launcher to darobin's calendar |
| 15:46 | darobin | hopes that jgraham's aim is bad, the calendar isn't all that far away... |
| 15:46 | Ms2ger | doesn't approve of suicide-by-jgraham |
| 15:47 | <jgraham> | Don't worry it's only a minature one |
| 15:48 | <jgraham> | Big enough to blow holes in your schedule, not harmful to humans |
| 15:48 | <jgraham> | Lego figures, on the other hand, should take cover |
| 15:48 | <darobin> | oh great, now my desk is a mess of Lego figures running all over the place |
| 15:48 | <darobin> | thanks, really |
| 15:48 | Ms2ger | loves that picture |
| 15:49 | <Ms2ger> | (<picture>?) |
| 15:49 | <miketaylr> | >:| |
| 15:49 | <miketaylr> | what kinds of bad things would happen if you made DOM apis case-insensitive? |
| 15:49 | <jgraham> | All kinds of bad things |
| 15:49 | <jgraham> | War |
| 15:49 | <jgraham> | Famine |
| 15:50 | <jgraham> | Les Dennis |
| 15:51 | <jgraham> | miketaylr: (was that a serious question? And if so, what do you mean?) |
| 15:51 | <miketaylr> | jgraham: yeah, serious question |
| 15:51 | <miketaylr> | i mean, |
| 15:52 | <miketaylr> | what would you break if you allowed something like document.reQuEstFulLscrEen() to work |
| 15:52 | <miketaylr> | (other than hearts, perhaps) |
| 15:52 | <Ms2ger> | That would mean putting 2**len functions on the prototypes? |
| 15:53 | <jgraham> | I think what would break would be your front door under a raging mob of TC39ers |
| 15:53 | <miketaylr> | heh |
| 15:53 | Ms2ger | gives miketaylr his big "NO" rubber stamp |
| 15:53 | <miketaylr> | dang |
| 15:53 | <miketaylr> | was super close too |
| 15:53 | <jgraham> | Yeah, that just seems like a bad idea since js doesn't work like that |
| 15:53 | <jgraham> | (did VB(A) used to work like that?) |
| 15:54 | <miketaylr> | actual issue, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=743198#c5 |
| 15:54 | <miketaylr> | (which doesn't require going case-insensitive) |
| 15:54 | <Ms2ger> | miketaylr, deployed sites have listened to our console warnings in the past |
| 15:55 | <miketaylr> | that's cool Ms2ger |
| 15:55 | <miketaylr> | i'm less optimistic (by nature, perhaps) |
| 15:55 | <Ms2ger> | So we'll go with that for now, and see where we end up |
| 15:55 | <odinho> | Ms2ger: You didn't actually ever tell me what you wanted reviewed? So it was deemed boring enough for me to do it w m gf in the evening? :P |
| 15:55 | <jgraham> | Honestly if console warnings don't work, the spec should require support for both versions |
| 15:56 | <Ms2ger> | If it turns out we can't get away without the two, we'll spec and implement both |
| 15:56 | <Ms2ger> | But not before |
| 15:56 | <Ms2ger> | odinho, jgraham's review, probably |
| 15:56 | <miketaylr> | given the amount of "wrong" unprefixed on stackoverflow alone... |
| 15:56 | <jgraham> | odinho does code review with his girlfriend in the evenings? |
| 15:56 | <miketaylr> | anyhow let's pick up this conversation in a few years ^_^ |
| 15:57 | <Ms2ger> | "code review", eh |
| 15:57 | Ms2ger | winks |
| 15:57 | <odinho> | jgraham: True dat. |
| 15:57 | <odinho> | Ms2ger: I've done all the fun parts, CORS, SSE. It's that huge blob'o'XHR left last time I looked :P |
| 15:57 | <Ms2ger> | odinho, indeed |
| 15:58 | <odinho> | Ms2ger: Didn't dare starting. But I guess it should be possible to take one test at a time. |
| 15:58 | <Ms2ger> | I've cut off some slices of the huge blob'o'XHR already |
| 15:58 | <Ms2ger> | They mostly need someone who can read php more easily than me to check if the python is equivalent |
| 15:58 | <odinho> | Hmm. Okay. Yeah, we should really get it done. I feel a bit bad about that. It should go through. |
| 15:59 | <odinho> | Since I really like that branch ;] |
| 15:59 | <odinho> | Am thinking of doing a mini-testthewebforward with lstorset here in Oslo. |
| 15:59 | <Ms2ger> | Just the two of you, or? :) |
| 16:00 | <odinho> | lol, no, we'll invite as many as we can. And getting Opera to pay for location etc. |
| 16:01 | <Ms2ger> | odinho, btw, I'm offering chocolate shipments for people who do reviews ;) |
| 16:02 | <jgraham> | FWIW "as many as we can" is not the strategy I would currently recommend |
| 16:02 | <Ms2ger> | jgraham, depends on the definition of "can", I guess |
| 16:02 | <jgraham> | I think that it is worth specifically targetting the most experienced webdevs |
| 16:02 | <Ms2ger> | zcorpan, should be able to send your chocolate next week, btw |
| 16:03 | <odinho> | jgraham: Ah, yes. Well, that was the plan. Thinking 20-40 people in total. Something manageable. |
| 16:03 | <jgraham> | Right, that sounds good to me |
| 16:04 | <odinho> | e.g. I won't put my dad, mother, brother and sister there just because it'd be +4 :P |
| 16:04 | <jgraham> | They don't live in Trondheim? |
| 16:04 | <Ms2ger> | odinho, dunno, if they're as skilled as you? :) |
| 16:04 | <odinho> | jgraham: Stavanger. |
| 16:05 | <odinho> | Ms2ger: lol, implying I am skilled! |
| 16:05 | <Ms2ger> | odinho, not necessarily ;) |
| 16:05 | <odinho> | Hmm, true dat! :D |
| 16:05 | <jgraham> | odinho: That's even further away! |
| 16:06 | <odinho> | jgraham: we have trains, planes etc. in Norway too. |
| 16:06 | <jgraham> | Well if they are prepared to travel 500km for TestTWF they deserve to be invited just for the commitment |
| 16:07 | <odinho> | I'm sure they won't. :) |
| 16:08 | <Ms2ger> | odinho, maybe they'd like to see you once in a while :) |
| 16:09 | <jgraham> | Maybe they can't stand the big city and he always has to go there? |
| 16:10 | <odinho> | huh? -- Actually, they're trying to come here, but I never have the time to have visitors :P Always busy. |
| 16:10 | <Ms2ger> | See, might want to invite them, then :) |
| 16:10 | <odinho> | No wonder when there's so much open to review all the time. :| |
| 16:11 | <odinho> | Not that I ever seem to get that far down on the todo list though. |
| 16:11 | Ms2ger | will stop bothering odinho, so he can review |
| 16:11 | <odinho> | (and few others too, ref. our review problem) |
| 16:11 | <odinho> | I'm debugging internal repatching system atm. |
| 17:21 | <Hixie_> | zcorpan: one implication of that change is that the scope chain is that of when the event first fires, not that of when the event handler is set |
| 17:22 | <Hixie_> | zcorpan: another is that getting the event handler when it's set to something that fails to compile calls onerror but doesn't throw |
| 17:34 | <dglazkov> | good morning, Whatwg! |
| 17:50 | <Ms2ger> | Good night, dglazkov |
| 17:57 | <zcorpan> | Ms2ger: awesomeness :-) |
| 19:14 | <Hixie_> | bholley: if you can get microsoft's input, regardless of how you get it, please do! |
| 19:42 | <Hixie_> | input especially from mozilla and microsoft people on https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22731 about atob() would be useful |
| 19:43 | Ms2ger | looks |
| 19:43 | <Ms2ger> | I think we recently implemented the remove-all-spaces behaviour |
| 19:45 | <Ms2ger> | Hixie_, Nightly and Aurora should implement the spec: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=711180 |
| 19:45 | <Hixie_> | please comment on the bug :-) |
| 19:53 | <Ms2ger> | marcosc_, www-style⊙wo? Does that even work? |
| 19:53 | <gsnedders> | Ms2ger: Yeah. |
| 19:54 | <marcosc_> | I don't know... just thought it was funny that Chrome Dev Summit folks only mentioned those lists |
| 19:54 | <marcosc_> | like the rest of the W3C doesn't exist :) |
| 19:54 | <miketaylr> | ...so you're saying there's more lists. |
| 19:54 | <marcosc_> | heh |
| 19:54 | <gsnedders> | Ms2ger: AFAIK the list. is entirely optional for all lists |
| 19:55 | <Ms2ger> | gsnedders, not w3.org, btw |
| 20:50 | <zcorpan> | in other news, closing a captains of crush 1.5 is harder than i expected |