| 02:38 | <zewt> | don't suppose there's anyone building firefox with the bogus extension signing thing removed? otherwise i'm probably just going to stop updating firefox, heh |
| 02:40 | <zewt> | (mozilla doesn't get to be a gatekeeper for add-ons, nobody should be tolerating that) |
| 02:59 | <nox> | Ah ah. |
| 07:53 | <zcorpan> | hmm, IE 10/11 had just rp { display:none }. IE 8..9 and Edge 13 have ruby rp { display:none } |
| 07:54 | <zcorpan> | did they decide to be compatible with Firefox for IE 8, and then decide to be compatible with Chrome in Edge 13? |
| 07:57 | <zcorpan> | MikeSmith: do you have an idea about the usefulness of "not mappable to XML 1.0" warnings? i suppose they are useful for some people but not at all for the majority, but would be good to have some kind of data |
| 09:56 | <MikeSmith> | zcorpan: as far as real XML usage, data we have consistently shows that at most 0.1% of HTML documents are served with an XML MIME type |
| 09:57 | <MikeSmith> | see the “XML input” line at https://validator.w3.org/nu/stats.html |
| 09:58 | <MikeSmith> | and there is Opera MAMA data that indicates the same 0.1% |
| 09:58 | <MikeSmith> | lemme find it |
| 09:58 | <zcorpan> | MikeSmith: ok. but that stat doesn't say so much about whether XML warnings in text/html are useful, right? |
| 09:59 | <zcorpan> | MikeSmith: such warnings would be useful if one tries to parse the HTML and serialize as XML for something other than serving the page to the browser |
| 10:00 | <MikeSmith> | well I don’t know how we could get figures for that |
| 10:01 | <zcorpan> | or, for some cases, try to generate an equivalent DOM using DOM core APIs (which often but not always reject things that are not allowed in XML) |
| 10:01 | <MikeSmith> | yeah I don’t think we want to encourage people to try to do stuff like that anyway |
| 10:02 | <MikeSmith> | if they do they are likely to run into more problems than the subset of what we warn about, I htink |
| 10:02 | <MikeSmith> | so I think we should drop those "not mappable to XML 1.0" warnings |
| 10:03 | <MikeSmith> | I think they are just noise to the vast majority of users |
| 10:03 | <zcorpan> | ok. yeah, i think so too. for element and attribute names we give an error anyway for names that can't be used in XML |
| 10:03 | <MikeSmith> | yeah |
| 10:04 | <zcorpan> | and anyone trying to serialize text/html as XML will be better off doing infoset coersion than trying to warn the Internet into behaving |
| 10:04 | <MikeSmith> | I think that 0.1% figure does probably also roughly align with the data for number of users who want to do that other XMLish stuff |
| 10:05 | <MikeSmith> | as maybe does the “Doctype with「SYSTEM "about:legacy-compat"」found” figure at https://validator.w3.org/nu/stats.html |
| 10:05 | <MikeSmith> | which is 0.06% |
| 10:05 | <zcorpan> | Yeah |
| 10:06 | <MikeSmith> | OK so dropping the warnings is an htmlparser change |
| 10:06 | <MikeSmith> | I’m happy to make them directly but also happy to merge them if you make a PR |
| 10:07 | <MikeSmith> | btw for htmlparser changes make sure to use the validator-nu branch as the base |
| 10:07 | <MikeSmith> | for https://github.com/validator/htmlparser I mean |
| 10:07 | <MikeSmith> | I think that is what should automatically happen now |
| 10:08 | <MikeSmith> | because I recently switched it so that validator-nu branch is the default for that github repo |
| 10:21 | <zcorpan> | hmm htmlparser is a submodule. i don't know what to do. :-D |
| 10:43 | <MikeSmith> | cd htmlparser && git checkout validator-nu && git pull |
| 11:41 | <zcorpan> | MikeSmith: should the warning still be there for ALTER_INFOSET? |
| 11:45 | <zcorpan> | i suppose the warning can be useful there |
| 12:08 | <MikeSmith> | zcorpan: yeah agreed |
| 12:12 | <zcorpan> | MikeSmith: https://github.com/validator/htmlparser/pull/3 |
| 12:13 | <zcorpan> | MikeSmith: Trailing whitespace got trimmed. I've built and tested manually and run tests |
| 12:13 | <zcorpan> | but not written new automated tests |
| 12:48 | <ondras> | hm, this is a specced behavior? https://jsfiddle.net/2xy87m6z/ |
| 12:48 | <ondras> | (not getting checked even if explicitely requested) |
| 23:29 | <botie> | rniwa, at 2016-11-23 23:00 UTC, Domenic said: for a repro file for https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/2058 |