| 01:55 | <othermaciej> | Does anyone have a handy link to info about the workshop where the w3c decided to abandon HTML in favor of XHTML2 (many years ago, triggering the foundation of the WHATWG)? |
| 02:00 | <MikeSmith> | othermaciej: yeah, gimme a minute |
| 02:01 | <othermaciej> | I think I found it: https://www.w3.org/2004/04/webapps-cdf-ws/summary |
| 02:01 | <othermaciej> | I didn't remember that it was all Dean Jackson's fault :-) |
| 02:01 | <MikeSmith> | haha |
| 02:01 | <MikeSmith> | it is also linked to from somewhere on https://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/History |
| 02:02 | MikeSmith | looks for it |
| 02:02 | <MikeSmith> | https://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/History#2004-06 has several links |
| 02:03 | <othermaciej> | thanks, that is very useful |
| 02:04 | <MikeSmith> | by the way, we also have Dean to blame/thank for starting use of the term “HTML5” for the Web Applications 1.0 spec |
| 02:04 | <MikeSmith> | I noticed that in the WHATWG mailing list archives a while back |
| 02:05 | <MikeSmith> | Dean wrote a message at some point early on, proposing “Why don’t we just call this thing HTML5?”, or similar words |
| 02:06 | <MikeSmith> | and Dean is the first one I can remember hearing the use of the term “web platform” |
| 02:06 | <MikeSmith> | before it started to be used more commonly |
| 02:08 | <MikeSmith> | at least I remember at the point where I’d seen him use “web platform”, I wasn’t familiar with it and it wasn’t clear what he meant by it |
| 02:09 | <MikeSmith> | and I was still working at Opera then can say that I hadn’t heard anybody working on Opera’s browser using that term |
| 02:20 | <othermaciej> | Dean deserves a lot of credit for a lot of things and I'm sure the things he proposed on behalf of W3C at the workshop were not 100% up to him |
| 02:25 | <MikeSmith> | yep |
| 02:25 | <tantek> | oh yeah that workshop |
| 02:45 | <othermaciej> | Does anyone remember when the HTML WG / WHATWG re-schism happened? |
| 02:47 | <othermaciej> | looks like 2012 |
| 02:49 | <othermaciej> | wow, did HTML WG really go 7 years before producing a REC? |
| 10:55 | <othermaciej> | Is thre a logo for Web Platform Tests? |
| 11:46 | <nox> | jgraham_: Do we have any logo for html5lib btw? Kinda wish the org on GH had a proper avatar. |
| 11:52 | <othermaciej> | this is missing: (not sure if intentional) https://resources.whatwg.org/logo-mimesniff.svg |
| 13:42 | <gsnedders> | othermaciej (if you read the logs): no, closest we've used in some dinosaur from TTWF |
| 13:42 | <gsnedders> | nox: no |
| 14:31 | <jyasskin> | In case folks are in London and not magically subscribed to the right IETF list, there's a side-meeting tonight at 7pm in the "IAB room" at the Hilton Metropole: https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/art/current/msg00460.html. |
| 14:32 | <jyasskin> | Organized by mnot. |
| 14:39 | <gsnedders> | oh am I accidentally going to be in London during the IETF meeting? |
| 14:39 | gsnedders | didn't realise |
| 14:44 | <jyasskin> | TC39 is also accidentally the same week. :) |
| 14:46 | <gsnedders> | if anyone has something they particularly want me to come to on any day except for Monday/Tuesday, lmk, I guess |
| 14:51 | <jgraham_> | Oh, I could theoretically go to the IETF thing tonight if there's some reason to, although it's a bit of a trek |
| 14:52 | <gsnedders> | (I can do Monday evening, too, I guess, once I arrive late afternoon) |
| 15:25 | <devsnek> | someone raised an interesting issue on the node repo https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/19426 |
| 15:26 | <devsnek> | making the return value of a timer a theable |
| 15:31 | <jyasskin> | jgraham_: Mark has a list of possible topics at https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/art/4cMFuua8DgiHbytZeFkw_9xRUtI: URL, MIME sniffing, Fetch, Infra, and the new governance model. |
| 17:01 | <annevk> | jgraham_: FWIW, Maciej and I are here, would be nice to say hi, but can understand if you rather wait until the next Mozilla thing |
| 17:03 | <jgraham_> | annevk: I'm thinking I might come over |
| 19:07 | <jgraham_> | jyasskin: So there are like 4 people in the advertised room, but none of them are mnot annevk or othermaciej |
| 19:08 | <jgraham> | Oh now some of them are mnot and othermaciej |
| 19:08 | <jgraham> | Well very briefly |
| 19:08 | <jgraham> | :) |
| 21:41 | <annevk> | Belated apologies for running late. Lightning talks went a little over time |
