| 06:33 | <annevk> | It’ll pretty soon be a compat issue to not support response streams |
| 08:06 | <annevk> | If anyone can make sense of https://twitter.com/jasonmulligan/status/1053014565028618241 let me know. I've given up |
| 08:21 | <Domenic> | Hooooraaaaay more non-interop from the 90s: https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/4109 |
| 08:22 | <Domenic> | Anyone want to test Safari |
| 08:24 | <annevk> | Domenic: B and C are newlines, TAB is a space |
| 08:24 | <Domenic> | annevk: a single space?? |
| 08:25 | <annevk> | https://irccloud.mozilla.com/file/LGbT6NZZ/Screen%20Shot%202018-10-19%20at%2010.24.47.png |
| 08:25 | <annevk> | Sure looks like a single space |
| 08:25 | <Domenic> | Amaaaaazing |
| 08:26 | <annevk> | Note that it's not normalized |
| 08:26 | <annevk> | If I copy the text, it comes out as TAB, VT, and FF |
| 08:26 | <annevk> | Which doesn't seem great |
| 08:27 | <Domenic> | Oh I don't think it's selectable on most Windows browsers... Let me check |
| 08:43 | <TabAtkins> | annevk: Responded; afaict, person is just confused about the API. They think getAll() will return the value itself when the key has only one value (rather than returning a length-1 array). |
| 08:44 | <annevk> | TabAtkins: I got that impression too, but their assertion they were not confused made me doubt things |
| 08:44 | <TabAtkins> | Also, that nested-filter thing for counting values that show up more than once is nutzo. |
| 08:44 | <TabAtkins> | Ah, never trust people to tell you they aren't confused. |
| 08:48 | <annevk> | TabAtkins: heh, ta |
| 08:53 | <annevk> | TabAtkins: btw, split on comma except inside X |
| 08:53 | <annevk> | TabAtkins: I was thinking about this, but I wonder how many specifications need an equivalent algorithm for that |
| 08:54 | <annevk> | TabAtkins: e.g., I could use something like it for HTTP header parsing to avoid commas inside double quotes, but it'd have to deal with \" and \\ as well |
| 08:54 | <annevk> | TabAtkins: unless there's multiple cases that need it without such escapes (or the same escapes), it prolly doesn't belong in Infra |
| 08:54 | <TabAtkins> | Ah, sure. CSS needs to handle \, too, for example. |
| 08:55 | <annevk> | But is it exactly identical? |
| 08:56 | <TabAtkins> | But eh. Anyway. If you can CSS-parse the value, this is easy - you can just split on "top-level" comma-tokens, because commas in strings or functions or whatever are moved into the values of the other tokens. |
| 08:56 | <TabAtkins> | I guess outside of CSS's constraints they're probably too varied right now. |
| 08:57 | <annevk> | I'll keep an eye out, but that's my suspicion too |
| 08:57 | annevk | is always happy to abstract |
| 09:25 | <annevk> | Domenic: did you test newline copy-and-pasting too? |
| 09:25 | <annevk> | Domenic: perhaps it's all in the CSS layer / C++^WRust render text layer |
| 09:44 | <Domenic> | annevk: oh, no :(. That does impact whether we normalize then display, or say "display all these things the same way" |
| 09:45 | <Domenic> | Chrome... doesn't allow selecting the text if it's multiline?! |
| 10:37 | <hsivonen> | so frustrating that whether emails should be sent in UTF-8 is still a debate in 2018 |
| 10:37 | <hsivonen> | I understand that UTF-8 avoidance code had value 20 years ago |
| 10:37 | <hsivonen> | it doesn't anymore |
| 10:38 | <hsivonen> | hard to get features removed from 20-year-old code bases |
| 10:43 | <hsivonen> | TabAtkins: did you have a linkable writeup somewhere that explains that using non-UTF-8 encodings for newly-serialized data has no value? |
| 10:46 | <TabAtkins> | Ooh, not that I recall. |
| 10:46 | <TabAtkins> | But I might have written it into an email at some point... |
| 10:52 | <hsivonen> | TabAtkins: I think I've read an email from you along those lines |
| 10:53 | <hsivonen> | TabAtkins: anyway, please don't spend time searching for it, if it's not already in a blogged form |
| 10:59 | <TabAtkins> | annevk: lololol that twitter person is now saying that using getAll() all the time is terrible for performance because it's generating unnecessary temp arrays; their own code generates N temp arrays already in the double-filter operation they're performing. |
| 11:00 | <TabAtkins> | so yeah, feel free to flip the bozo bit on them, jeez |
| 11:02 | <annevk> | I’m sorry, but at least it’s a lil amusing |
| 11:03 | <annevk> | hsivonen: https://annevankesteren.nl/2009/09/utf-8-reasons |
| 11:03 | <annevk> | hsivonen: kinda web biased though |
| 11:07 | <hsivonen> | annevk: thanks. indeed too Web-based for today's windmill |
| 11:27 | <nox> | annevk: The useless question of Friday, |
| 11:27 | <nox> | annevk: out of sheer curiosity, why is your favicon a tilde? |
| 11:29 | <annevk> | nox: this might be retcon, but I think I saw another site use a Unicode code point as logo of sorts (maybe Daring Fireball?), and decided that'd do for me as well, and then picked something that'd look reasonable |
| 11:30 | <TabAtkins> | hsivonen: I think I've found a thread you may be thinking of, but it's too CSS-specific for what you need, likely. |
| 11:30 | <nox> | Nice. |
| 11:30 | <nox> | annevk: I guess I'll choose U+1F956 BAGUETTE BREAD if I ever write a blog. |
| 11:31 | <annevk> | hehe |
| 11:32 | <annevk> | TabAtkins: that Twitter thread also reminds me of "premature optimization is the root of all evil" |
| 11:33 | <annevk> | If it's performance-sensitive code, maybe don't use a JavaScript wrapper object backed by a C++^WRust class to do stuff, just parse yourself in JavaScript |
| 11:46 | <hsivonen> | TabAtkins: ok |
| 12:58 | <annevk> | Domenic: handing folks a link to https://whatwg.org/faq#spell-and-pronounce is my new favorite thing |
| 13:21 | <zcorpan> | Properties that disable -webkit-appearance for form controls differs between macOS and windows ;_; |
| 18:53 | <smaug____> | jgraham: what does assert_greater_than_equal assert? |
| 18:53 | <smaug____> | why it is not just assert_greater_than ? |
| 18:53 | <smaug____> | or does it do >= |
| 18:54 | <jgraham> | smaug____: Yes |
| 18:54 | <smaug____> | Shouldn't it then be called assert_greater_than_or_equal |
| 18:55 | <jgraham> | smaug____: Probably |
| 18:55 | <jgraham> | smaug____: Apropos nothing at all, did you see https://web-platform-tests.org/writing-tests/testdriver.html ? The heading at the bottom is broken, but we now have the ability to generate complex series of user gestures in wpt tests |
| 18:56 | <smaug____> | great |
| 18:56 | <smaug____> | need to convert some mochitests to wpt |
| 23:14 | <equalsjeffh> | query: has anyone here used irccloud.com with irc.w3.org ? I'm having trouble getting it to work.... |
| 23:16 | <equalsjeffh> | @TabAtkins et al -- I ferget where the bikeshed autolinking database github repo is -- anyone have a link handy? thanks |
| 23:55 | <domfarolino> | equalsjeffh: Seems like some info would be in here? https://github.com/tabatkins/bikeshed-data |
