| 16:18 | <innovati> | What's the story behind the 'Living' adjective in the name of the spec? I really like it, but I'm wondering where it came from and what it's supposed to mean? |
| 16:19 | <nox> | I think annevk wrote a blogpost on that topic. |
| 16:53 | <Domenic> | innovati: https://whatwg.org/faq#living-standard |
| 22:03 | <innovati> | thanks nox & Domenic <3 |
| 22:56 | <milkii> | has there ever been talk of having a semantic splitting of <title>? e.g. have sitename and pagename or such tags? for various uses. |
| 22:56 | <Domenic> | I think those cases are largely covered by the web app manifest spec |
| 23:12 | <milkii> | Domenic: that has web app (site) name and a web app description, but unless i'm missing something on first read, there's no pagetitle, unless <title> will be expected to act specifically? the living standard standard's two head examples use title for "document" then "application". |
| 23:12 | <Domenic> | milkii: I guess I don't understand all the terms you're using. |
| 23:18 | <milkii> | <title> can be whatever, so there's no reliable way for a user agent to extract/save the site name, seperate from the page name (what might be h1 (if only one h1 is used)). |
| 23:23 | <milkii> | if it were possible, one could search just the page names of bookmarks but not match the site name, or have a method to format the document details in whatever way to copy/paste for a reference, etc. |
| 23:23 | <Domenic> | You keep using the same terms without explaining them. But I am going to take a stab in the dark and say that you are thinking of something similar to this person: https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/2468 |
| 23:24 | <TabAtkins> | Yes, that's what's being referred to |
| 23:26 | <milkii> | indeed, spot on. |
| 23:30 | <milkii> | well, the basic problem. not sure about the aspects of the proposal there, but the problem is there. |
| 23:31 | <milkii> | currently i use the bookmarklet "javascript:%28function%28s%29%7Btry%7Bs=document.selection.createRange%28%29.text%7Dcatch%28_%29%7Bs=document.getSelection%28%29%7Dprompt%28%27MediaWiki Copy%27,%27%2A %5B%27+location+%27 %27+document.title+%27%5d - %27+s+%27%5Cn%27%29%7D%29%28%29" to get a dialog to copy and paste links for MediaWiki |
| 23:32 | <milkii> | but today i saw https://cameronlonsdale.com/2018/11/26/whats-in-a-docker-image which has just the site name and tagline in the <title>, and i wondered what had happened to the semantic web |
| 23:42 | milkii | looks at MetaExtensions |
| 23:49 | <milkii> | i guess it would take WordPress adding the like of og:title for the like of that to ever begin to get traction? or browsers having an 'advanced' bookmark system that uses meta tags which would encourage sites to use them? or is this chicken and egg? |
| 23:59 | <Domenic> | milkii: Indeed this seems to be primarily a browser UX thing. I think browsers would want to see a lot of complaints from their users about the current UX, and then they'd consider various solutions---e.g., better heuristics for improving the UX given existing data, or something that requires every site in the world to add new tags, or something in between. |