| 00:00 | <Hixie> | cues are same-origin, so we side-step the security issues there |
| 00:00 | <Hixie> | though if we did what you described, we'd never be able to do cross-origin cues either |
| 00:00 | <nessy> | ok, so that problem doesn't exist for cues? |
| 00:00 | <nessy> | ah ok |
| 00:02 | <nessy> | thanks, that's the arguments that we needed :-) |
| 05:56 | <Hixie> | why on earth are <output> elements in Chrome focusable |
| 05:56 | <Hixie> | is that fixed in dev builds? |
| 05:57 | Hixie | wonders if he's already run into this and complained about it... |
| 17:07 | <MikeSmith> | foolip: you around? |
| 18:57 | <Xdega> | Hi. Just a heads up to any admins. I just submitted a new blog entry for review ;) |
| 22:50 | <ktos> | Hello |
| 22:51 | <ktos> | I read TabAtkins blogpost about layout template vs flexbox |
| 22:52 | <ktos> | his arguments are very nice but just wondering does anybody have different opinion? :) |
| 22:52 | <ktos> | http://www.xanthir.com/blog/b4580 |
| 23:00 | <aho> | like what? |
| 23:00 | <aho> | flexbox isn't the ultimate solution for doing layouts |
| 23:00 | <aho> | it's just too limited |
| 23:00 | <aho> | ascii layout... eh.. "template" gets rid of some restrictions |
| 23:02 | <aho> | the biggest problem is probably that css isn't a layout language |
| 23:02 | <aho> | however, no one really knows how a layout language should look like :> |
| 23:02 | <ktos> | aho: but if you had to choose what would you say? :) |
| 23:03 | <aho> | didn't know it was a xor thing |
| 23:04 | <aho> | his conclusion also doesnt suggest this |
| 23:04 | <ktos> | there was yet Microsoft |
| 23:05 | <ktos> | 's draft |
| 23:05 | <ktos> | in 2007 but seems to be dead |
| 23:07 | <aho> | i'm still not sure what you're looking for |
| 23:09 | <ktos> | I just tried to get know the future :) |
| 23:09 | <ktos> | but image is very distorted |
| 23:10 | <ktos> | anyway thank you for expressions :) |
| 23:10 | <aho> | btw there is some js implementation of ascii layout |
| 23:11 | <aho> | you could give it a try if you want |
| 23:12 | <ktos> | yes, I saw it such as flexbox js implementaions |
| 23:12 | <ktos> | I going to test it |
| 23:12 | <aho> | we'll probably end up with both things... or two things which are sorta kinda like that... or one thing which can do both things without getting too awkward |
| 23:12 | <ktos> | author or temmplate writes: |
| 23:13 | <ktos> | This draft is related to the drafts about positoning with grid units (‘gr’) [CSS3GRID], flexible GUIs [CSS3-FLEXBOX], and tables [CSS3TBL]. The CSS Working Group is considering combining some or all of these into a single specification with all matrix-based layouts. |
| 23:14 | <ktos> | aho: have you seen this: http://desandro.com/demo/masonry/ ? |
| 23:14 | <aho> | yes |
| 23:15 | <aho> | that float "up" kind of thing innit? |
| 23:15 | <ktos> | aho: I am wondering is it another idea or implementation of some of drafts |
| 23:16 | <ktos> | I saw some description about float reversing there but I am still unsure |
| 23:16 | <aho> | afaict something like that isn't covered by any of the drafts |
| 23:17 | <ktos> | do you think does it make any sense or better use some implementation of draft in hypothetical production use? |
| 23:17 | <ktos> | js implmentation of draft* |
| 23:18 | <aho> | you can use anything in production that works good enough on the target hardware/software |
| 23:18 | <aho> | what that exactly means is a different story :> |
| 23:19 | <ktos> | yeah, my problem is I like the best of the best solutions, no compromises, which is very rare in CS unfortunatly :) |
| 23:20 | <aho> | web front-end stuff = compromises build on top of other compromises :> |
| 23:21 | <ktos> | right :) |
| 23:28 | <ktos> | oh, btw just discovered Microsoft's idea resurected http://www.interoperabilitybridges.com/css3-grid-align/ |
| 23:30 | <CvP> | grid is kinda ... great so far. |
| 23:30 | <CvP> | combine this with flex and it should be really "flexible" |