| 00:22 | <The_8472> | <jarek> I have an app that shows a preview of the website, I would like to put a horizontal line in the place where page fold is <- uh yeah... how about different screen sizes? |
| 00:23 | <The_8472> | or even browser viewport sizes |
| 00:23 | <The_8472> | ah damn, he quit |
| 00:23 | <gesa> | Clearly I have been spending too much time in THE FUTURE because I just assumed it was all adaptive... |
| 00:25 | <The_8472> | the point is that it can change, so how can you adapt to future changes? |
| 00:27 | <gesa> | I suppose it depends entirely on the use case. |
| 00:28 | <The_8472> | probably, yes. but if it's about trying to optimize for any particular size then it would be a bad idea |
| 00:28 | <gesa> | I concur. The idea of optimizing for a specific size didn't even occur to me because I forgot people still do that. |
| 00:30 | <The_8472> | i had to fight tooth and nail to get *one* dynamic width page into a 1024x786 "optimized" (read: fixed width layout) backend to cram all that information in there |
| 00:32 | <gesa> | I don't follow. One site with a fixed width layout and a single dynamic width page? What do you mean 1024x786 backend? |
| 00:35 | <gesa> | (bear with me. I've been coding html email all day. brain kaput.) |
| 00:35 | <The_8472> | corporate software with a web interface. it's using a fixed width layout, optimized for that resolution. and they wanted an overview page where you can get all the relevant information at one glance (if possible) |
| 00:35 | <gesa> | oh jesus. |
| 00:35 | <The_8472> | so to cram as much information onto a single page i proposed a dynamic width layout to make use of the screen space on larger monitors |
| 00:35 | <The_8472> | of course i was rattling on some sacrosanct "guidelines" there... |
| 11:09 | <annevk> | There are three bugs on caretBlinkRate but there is no such feature in the specification? Am I missing something? |
| 11:19 | <Ms2ger> | Might be a W3Cism |
| 11:20 | <annevk> | http://dev.w3.org/html5/2dcontext/ cannot find it |
| 11:21 | <annevk> | oh wait I can |
| 11:25 | <annevk> | I guess Microsoft will implement that feature? |
| 11:25 | <annevk> | Is anyone planning on implementing it? |
| 11:27 | <Ms2ger> | Don't see a bug over here |
| 11:57 | <annevk> | Does anyone know if it is easy to file RFC errata? |
| 11:58 | <annevk> | http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2388 talks about application/x-url-encoded rather than application/x-www-form-urlencoded |
| 12:02 | <Philip`> | Does anybody bother to read errata? |
| 12:03 | Philip` | usually forgets about them even if he's aware there's an errata page, so they seem a bit useless :-( |
| 12:04 | <annevk> | I guess at some point there's enough bugs to consider issuing a new draft |
| 12:26 | <rabbi1> | how can i get "A List Apart" code ? |
| 12:47 | <gsnedders> | annevk: AFAIK it's not too hard if the authors of the RFC care at all, if you just follow the normal form |
| 13:09 | <asmodai> | Mmm |
| 13:09 | <asmodai> | interesting |
| 13:10 | <asmodai> | So Safari 5.1 tries to do MathML |
| 13:10 | <asmodai> | I wonder what it is trying to use for a font for part of this rendering |
| 13:10 | <asmodai> | Giving me boxes for parts of the rendering (mostly braces and the likes) |
| 13:13 | <annevk> | Ah I found a form |
| 13:19 | <annevk> | http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=2388&eid=2937 done |
| 14:53 | <david_carlisle> | asmodai:on safari mathml, it probably assumes stix fonts (which i gather are distributed with the latest osx, or are freely available otherwise. |
| 14:53 | <asmodai> | ah |
| 14:54 | <asmodai> | david_carlisle: will install those later. thought it would have sensible defaults to the Win 7 math fonts |
| 14:54 | <asmodai> | ff at least does. |
| 14:55 | <asmodai> | jeez, they really need to update their site again |
| 14:56 | <david_carlisle> | asmodai: it would be even more sensible if the cambria math windows font was distributed with a licence that meant it could be used on other platfoms (like the original ms core fonts) |
| 15:01 | <gsnedders> | david_carlisle: There's no way MS is going to do that again, though, sadly. They consider fonts too much of a competitive advantage now… |
| 15:01 | <david_carlisle> | gsnedders: probbaly, shame though as it's a nice font. |
| 15:02 | <gsnedders> | Indeed. Nobody buys an OS because of what fonts it has, so it's not really an advantage. |
| 15:06 | <zewt> | sure they do |
| 15:06 | <zewt> | if Joe Consumer sees linux next to windows in a store, and due to having second-rate fonts linux looks unpolished next to Windows, that'll easily nudge decisions a little |
| 15:34 | <gsnedders> | zewt: Well, okay, but by-and-large fonts are "good enough". |
| 15:53 | <annevk> | Has anyone tallied email on www-tag? |
| 15:53 | <annevk> | E.g. useful vs euh what is going on? |
| 15:57 | <jarek> | Hi |
| 15:58 | <jarek> | is there any standard describing which CSS featuers should be supported in print stylesheets? |
| 15:58 | <Ms2ger> | All of them |
| 15:58 | <jarek> | but most browsers ignore e.g. outlines and backgrounds |
| 15:59 | <jarek> | which of course make sense |
| 15:59 | <jarek> | is this behavior non-standard? |
| 15:59 | <jarek> | s/make/makes |
| 15:59 | <Ms2ger> | "The following are links to the Editor's draft of the geolocation documents, they are not final and should NOT be relied upon by implementors." |
| 15:59 | <Ms2ger> | Nice one |
| 15:59 | <Ms2ger> | jarek, see the thread on www-style |
| 16:03 | <jarek> | Ms2ger: do you mean this thread? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2011Aug/0269.html |
| 16:03 | <Ms2ger> | Yep |
| 16:05 | <jarek> | is there a reference table that would list which CSS properties are not supported by browsers when using print media type? |
| 16:38 | <AryehGregor> | TabAtkins, why don't you just make zero-height and zero-width radial gradients invalid syntax, so they get ignored? Is there any use for them? |
| 16:46 | <astearns> | normal, legitimate gradients under transforms approach zero-width and zero-height, so we still need to decide what to do with them |
| 19:11 | <webben> | http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-xml/2011Aug/0010.html : because Microsoft is well keen on "portable" file formats. ;) |
| 19:14 | <Ms2ger> | He might agree with annevk, but I doubt annevk would agree with him |
| 19:14 | <Ms2ger> | Anyway, happy I stayed out of that |
| 19:22 | <Philip`> | So Microsoft should fully implement HTML5 (plus CURIEs) in XSD1.1 in order to help solve the US healthcare crisis? |
| 19:22 | <Philip`> | Sounds like a good plan to me |
| 19:22 | <webben> | Yes that was also ... an interesting suggesting. |
| 19:22 | <webben> | *suggestion |
| 19:23 | <MikeSmith> | webben: thanks fighting the good fight in bugzilla, man |
| 19:23 | Ms2ger | wonder where webben had a fight |
| 19:23 | <webben> | MikeSmith: Hey, yw :) |
| 19:24 | Ms2ger | also wonder why can't tpye |
| 19:24 | <MikeSmith> | Philip`: can anybody really claim at this point that a giant red fag was not raised about CURIEs a gazillion years ago? |
| 19:25 | <Ms2ger> | A giant red fag? |
| 19:25 | <MikeSmith> | um |
| 19:25 | <MikeSmith> | FLAG |
| 19:26 | <Ms2ger> | Oh |
| 19:26 | <Ms2ger> | Yes, that does make more sense |
| 19:26 | <MikeSmith> | typing on iPad is an adventure |
| 19:28 | <Philip`> | Choosing a name strongly associated with cancer doesn't seem like a good sign either :-( |
| 19:28 | <Ms2ger> | Philip`++ |
| 19:29 | <MikeSmith> | anyway, the message now appears to be, WE are the ones willing to compromise, and you are not. therefore we are justified in continuing the same bs we havw |
| 19:29 | <MikeSmith> | oops |
| 19:29 | <MikeSmith> | anyway |
| 19:30 | <MikeSmith> | said enough already I guess |
| 19:30 | <Ms2ger> | Well, that's better than "Our design is cleaner. therefore we are justified in continuing the same bs" |
| 19:31 | <MikeSmith> | dunno |
| 19:31 | <Ms2ger> | What about "it's not worse"? |
| 19:32 | <MikeSmith> | but really, what pressure for change would there have ever been unless microdata had come along |
| 19:32 | <MikeSmith> | I wonder |
| 19:33 | <Philip`> | They should have called it an Abbreviated URI Character-Lessening Encoding, for a more ear-related association, or something along those lines |
| 19:33 | <Ms2ger> | MikeSmith, meh, wondering... I prefer ranting on public-webapps :) |
| 19:34 | <MikeSmith> | yeah, well, microdata was clearly not a mistake |
| 19:34 | <MikeSmith> | however dudes might like to try to rewrite history now |
| 19:34 | <Ms2ger> | Ah, but the winners get to do that |
| 19:35 | <Ms2ger> | So if Hixie ever gets bored of this kind of science fiction, he can write his autobiography |
| 19:36 | <MikeSmith> | oh man |
| 19:36 | <Philip`> | Rewriting history after you've won is less useful than rewriting history while you're still fighting in order to help you win |
| 19:37 | <MikeSmith> | Ms2ger: that would sell like hotcakes for sure |
| 19:37 | <Ms2ger> | I'd buy one |
| 19:38 | <Ms2ger> | But only if I get an autograph |
| 19:38 | <MikeSmith> | Philip`: no winners here, unfortunately |
| 19:39 | <MikeSmith> | just an should-have-been-avoidable mess |
| 19:43 | <Philip`> | Ms2ger: Traditional autobiographies are obsolete before they've even been printed - it ought to be a continually-updated living autobiography instead |
| 19:43 | <Philip`> | I guess you could tell a lot about people's attempts to rewrite history if the history had an SVN log |
| 21:56 | <Hixie> | i may have to temporarily disable pdf production unless someone else wants to provide a web service that i can call to get them generated |
| 21:57 | <Hixie> | right now the setup i have is spiking ram consumption over 1GB each time they are generated and i don't have the time to go fix it |
| 22:07 | <Hixie> | christ the websocket protocol has been messed up |
| 22:07 | <Hixie> | i just noticed that they totally broke how the origin headers work and the spec self-contradicts itself all over about it |
| 22:26 | <yuhong> | Is hsivonen here? |
| 22:28 | <Philip`> | yuhong: No |
| 22:28 | <yuhong> | I was going to report an internal error. |
| 22:29 | <yuhong> | Validate anandtech.com using validator.nu. |