| 00:00 | <zewt> | oh god it has its own clippy |
| 00:00 | <Hixie> | ? |
| 00:00 | <zewt> | "pegman" heh |
| 00:00 | <Hixie> | old maps had pegman too... how is it like clippy? |
| 00:01 | <zewt> | corniness? heh |
| 00:02 | <Hixie> | ? |
| 00:02 | <Hixie> | it's just a ui widget to drop you into street view |
| 00:02 | <Hixie> | how is it corny? |
| 00:02 | SamB | wonders why browsers don't have a "find an anchor to link to" feature ... |
| 00:03 | <Hixie> | zewt: (i'm not arguing it isn't, i just don't understand what you mean) |
| 00:03 | <zewt> | a goofy character suddenly introducing itself seems corny to me, heh |
| 00:04 | <SamB> | anyway, um, http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/obsolete.html#non-conforming-features provides some VEEERY terse recommendations |
| 00:04 | <Hixie> | zewt: he introduced himself? interesting, i haven't seen that |
| 00:04 | <Hixie> | i wonder if they added the introduction after i'd been using it already |
| 00:04 | <zewt> | "hey, I'm pegman" or something like that (dismissed it already) |
| 00:04 | <Hixie> | agreed that that's corny. or cute, you know, whatever floats your boat :-P |
| 00:05 | <Hixie> | SamB: happy to add more... file bugs with suggested text |
| 00:05 | <zewt> | at least it didn't slowly animate on screen, and then when told to go away, slowly animate off |
| 00:06 | <Hixie> | i think the thing that made clippy "clippyesque" isn't so much the animation, or the cuteness, or even the slowness of the interaction, it's that it just wasn't that useful, so it would interrupt you in ways that were just annoying. |
| 00:08 | <astearns__> | I have no idea whether the new pegman intro is useful, since I reflexively dismissed it as soon as it appeared |
| 00:09 | <astearns__> | in general, I think one should avoid modal things that pop up to show you how to use new studd |
| 00:09 | <astearns__> | s/studd/stuff/ |
| 00:10 | <SamB> | Hixie: well, I suspect that more detailed recommendations would be more approriate in some of the linked sections; probably this one should just explain how to tell which link(s) will provide such details |
| 00:10 | <Hixie> | SamB: that works too. basically whatever it is you want, file a bug saying what it is :-) |
| 00:11 | <zewt> | astearns__: yeah, the "learn new maps!!!" dialog that popped up at first was bad like that |
| 00:11 | <zewt> | since when I first turn it on I just want to poke around first (so I dismiss it), and of course now I don't know how to get it back if I wanted to look at it now (not that I really want to) |
| 00:13 | <TabAtkins> | zewt: That *precise* feedback was just echoed by some in internal Plus today. |
| 00:13 | <TabAtkins> | "Warm welcome" tutorials are often worthless for that reason. |
| 00:14 | SamB | goes to look up the checkout directions ... |
| 00:14 | <zewt> | itym "get out of the way, damn it" tutorials |
| 00:15 | <zewt> | at least maps's did (some are very insistant) |
| 00:17 | <SamB> | so basically, such tutorials should start like this: 1. To re-open this tutorial, [...] 2. To close this tutorial, [...] |
| 00:23 | SamB | wonders where he can find an <applet> tag in use ... |
| 01:13 | SamB | is kind of freaked out to see that Mozilla still loads Java DLLs in-process ... though thinking about it for a bit, he does remember hearing about Mozilla having some very special APIs basically just for the Java "plugin" ... |
| 01:15 | zewt | tries not to speak in the third person |
| 01:16 | SamB | finds that ACTION tends to look funny otherwise |
| 01:17 | zewt | prefers PRIVMSG |
| 01:20 | <SamB> | it *is* a PRIVMSG; it just has some funky stuff in it that ... |
| 01:34 | SamB | sees that zewt is familiar with the concept :-) |
| 05:43 | <AlexBones> | zewt: Why the fuck are you sending a bunch of CTCP shit? |
| 05:43 | <zewt> | to personally irritate you |
| 05:43 | <zewt> | mission: success |
| 05:46 | <AlexBones> | zewt!*@* added to ignore list. |
| 05:47 | <AlexBones> | That kind of fucktard reply would have resulted in a permanent ban and k-line if sane people were running this shit. |
| 05:47 | <zewt> | good to know teenagers still inhabit IRC. |
| 06:07 | SamB | thinks the w3c validator should perhaps use validator.nu for more stuff ... |
| 06:24 | <SamB> | AlexBones: hmm, your sarcasm-o-meter seems busted |
| 06:42 | <AlexBones> | Just tired of all the obnoxious people. |
| 06:47 | <MikeSmith> | SamB: what more should the w3c validator be using validator.nu for? |
| 06:49 | SamB | thinks its HTML 4 schemas are a bit more precise than the DTDs that onsgmls uses ... |
| 06:50 | <MikeSmith> | ah |
| 06:50 | <MikeSmith> | I was exposing HTML4 checking as an option at http://validator.w3.org/nu/ but I've since remove it |
| 06:50 | <MikeSmith> | *removed |
| 06:52 | <MikeSmith> | I removed the whole Presets menu actually |
| 06:52 | <MikeSmith> | so it just chooses a schema based on the MIME type of the document and doesn't provide an option in the UI to override that |
| 06:54 | <MikeSmith> | so by default it now does validation against the latest HTML spec (aka HTML5), even for documents that have a HTML4 doctype |
| 06:56 | <MikeSmith> | validator.nu also always does that by default now too, even for documents with HTML4 doctypes. It just still also provides the Presets option to allow users to override that behavior if they want |
| 06:58 | <MikeSmith> | anyway I was maintaining the validator.nu HTML4 schema for a while and responding to bug reports and requests about it but I'm no longer interested in putting any time into it |
| 07:00 | <MikeSmith> | I'm not sure why anybody should want to do HTML4 validation other than just out of curiosity -- to see, e.g., what was an error in HTML4 but not in HTML now, or whatever |
| 08:17 | <SamB> | hmm, what license are the WHATWG logos under? |
| 15:48 | <zewt> | (yeah, nothing obnoxious at all about calling someone a "fucktard") |
| 19:58 | <JonathanNeal> | Thoughts? A this-is-responsive style page about a11y http://jonathantneal.github.io/this-is-a11y/ |
| 21:08 | <SamB> | hmm, I think http://resources.whatwg.org/ needs a COPYING file. Also, the FAQ doesn't seem to contain anything about licensing ... |
| 23:33 | <gsnedders> | SGML/XML used by linguists is uniformally horrifying. It makes me want to cry all the time. :( |