| 00:55 | <SimonSapin> | hsivonen: Are you in Portland this week? |
| 01:08 | <jgraham> | SimonSapin: I'm pretty sure he isn't |
| 01:44 | <smaug____> | SimonSapin: he is not |
| 02:19 | <SimonSapin> | thanks |
| 07:56 | <hsivonen> | SimonSapin: I'm not in Portland. :-( |
| 07:59 | <SimonSapin> | hsivonen: Ok. We have a meeting tomorrow with the Servo and JS teams, one of the topics is string representation. I thought you might be interested. |
| 08:11 | <hsivonen> | SimonSapin: I'd be interested, yeah, but can't attend since I'm not there. |
| 08:11 | <hsivonen> | SimonSapin: thanks |
| 13:05 | <Ms2ger> | zcorpan, ta |
| 13:06 | <zcorpan> | Ms2ger: welcome |
| 14:09 | <MikeSmith> | botie: inform tantek I updated the Web Notification WG charter http://www.w3.org/2010/web-notifications/ The group isn't closed. The current chair is Jon Lee from Apple. |
| 14:09 | <botie> | will do |
| 14:09 | <zcorpan> | botie: sup |
| 14:09 | <botie> | zcorpan: what? |
| 17:03 | <botie> | tantek, at 2014-12-05 14:09 UTC, MikeSmith said: I updated the Web Notification WG charter http://www.w3.org/2010/web-notifications/ The group isn't closed. The current chair is Jon Lee from Apple. |
| 17:04 | <tantek> | the W3C's bot is in this channel? whoa. |
| 17:04 | <tantek> | what |
| 17:06 | <gsnedders> | pretty sure it's more MikeSmith's than the W3C's. |
| 17:10 | <encryptd_fractl> | Domenic: I was wondering is this 'reverse destructoring' is a part of es6, or a traceur-only thing? Thanks https://github.com/whatwg/streams/blob/b8edaac6391c49fbfa7b57123ba5786df6d0d77d/reference-implementation/lib/experimental/readable-byte-stream.js#L176 |
| 17:12 | <arv> | encryptd_fractl: That is property short hand. part of es6: http://people.mozilla.org/~jorendorff/es6-draft.html#sec-object-initializer |
| 17:13 | <encryptd_fractl> | Ah thanks, easier to find docs when you know what its called :) |
| 17:14 | <encryptd_fractl> | yea I liked that feature in coffeescript. Must not be implemented in the version of esnext I'm using |
| 17:31 | <WesleyCrushed> | guys, can someone give a proper/canonical answer to this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26292408 ? i know this is not the best place where to ask, but maybe there's someone here [really] involved with CSS. ty :P |
| 20:19 | <terinjokes> | can we get `text-justify` standardized? |
| 20:21 | <terinjokes> | `text-align: justify` just looks terrible |
| 20:51 | <astearns_> | terinjokes: is your justified text not hyphenated? that's usually the culprit |
| 21:00 | <Domenic> | encryptd_fractl: esnext is not very complete; I trust Traceur much more :) |
| 21:33 | <terinjokes> | astearns_: i'm used to the TeX algorithm |
| 21:34 | <astearns_> | terinjokes: multi-line breaking algos are much better. but most people |
| 21:34 | <astearns_> | 's complaints about web justification go away once text is hyphenated |
| 21:35 | <astearns_> | we certainly can do better. But first Chrome has to hyphenate :) |
| 22:12 | <Domenic> | There's still no way to independently apply multiple CSS transforms right? |
| 22:52 | <WesleyCrushed> | Domenic: details? |
| 22:53 | <Domenic> | WesleyCrushed: e.g. apply scale from CSS and translate from script or similar |
| 22:55 | <WesleyCrushed> | someone (and also me) suggested "slots" as in, for example: background-image(3):url('foo.png'); which is the same of writing background-image:none, none, none, url('foo.png') |
| 22:55 | <WesleyCrushed> | from dom would be say, element.style.backgroundImage[3] = "url('foo.png')"; |
| 22:56 | <WesleyCrushed> | the same would apply also to transforms, transitions and all similar properties |
| 22:57 | <Domenic> | i'm really asking as to whether any such ideas have been implemented yet, not proposed :P |
| 22:57 | <WesleyCrushed> | Domenic read http://fremycompany.com/TR/2012/ED-css-list-properties/ and http://www.xanthir.com/blog/b4KZ0/ |
| 22:57 | <WesleyCrushed> | me too :P |
| 22:57 | <Domenic> | yeah, seen 'em |
| 22:59 | <WesleyCrushed> | that's definitely a thing to discuss asap |
| 23:19 | <astearns_> | Domenic: there are "simple" transforms proposed (AFAIK not implemented) that would let you set separate translate, rotate and scale along with the current transform property |
| 23:19 | <Domenic> | astearns_: yeah, saw those too... would be pretty sweet. |
| 23:47 | <iamstef> | Domenic: esnext is also pretty slow |
| 23:47 | <iamstef> | because recast is slow |
| 23:47 | <Domenic> | yepyep |
| 23:47 | <iamstef> | esnext es6-module-transpiler bundle format is whats keeping me around atm |
| 23:48 | <iamstef> | as is eventualbuddha being a solid guy |
| 23:48 | <iamstef> | but i am concerned about recast |
| 23:48 | <terinjokes> | does the common-interop export stuff in 6to5 not work? |
| 23:48 | <terinjokes> | not work for you* |
| 23:48 | <iamstef> | re: perf and the lack of movement on that front |
| 23:49 | <iamstef> | terinjokes: ? |
| 23:49 | <terinjokes> | https://github.com/6to5/6to5/blob/v1.14.6/doc/modules.md#common-interop |
| 23:50 | <iamstef> | im unsure what the context of your question is |
| 23:50 | <terinjokes> | i might be misunderstanding the convo though, if so ignore me |
| 23:50 | <iamstef> | the bundle format essentially aggressively re-writes and re-orders content to remove the need for a costly loader |
| 23:50 | <iamstef> | i dont think this is related to the interopt story |
| 23:52 | <iamstef> | lets see what happens but if in the next while no movement happens on the perf front i may re-consider a different solution |
| 23:53 | <iamstef> | i dont have the bandwidth to work on that |
| 23:54 | <iamstef> | Domenic: any ideas of the traceur guys would consider something like the bundle format? |
| 23:54 | <Domenic> | iamstef: yeah it's been on the to-do list for a while |
| 23:54 | <Domenic> | arv ^ |
| 23:55 | <iamstef> | ya we all need to actually grab beer or something soon |
| 23:55 | <iamstef> | we keep trying to do something but noone is in town at the same time |
| 23:55 | <iamstef> | the ny chrome team that is |