| 01:38 | <MikeSmith> | w3c bugzilla has been updated to v5.0 |
| 01:38 | <MikeSmith> | if anybody notices problems with it please lemme know |
| 01:39 | <MikeSmith> | biggest new feature appears to be ability to tag comments https://www.bugzilla.org/releases/5.0/release-notes.html#feat_comment_tags |
| 01:42 | <MikeSmith> | plus the "never email me about this bug" option |
| 02:36 | <jakesyl> | Hello, I'm working on a website and would like to make a login like this: https://accounts.google.com/ServiceLogin?hl=en&continue=https://www.google.com/#identifier (with the box) any idea how to do this? |
| 02:47 | <Yay295> | jakesyl: Do you mean you want to use a Google log-in, or do you want to log-in with your own accounts, but make it look like Google's? |
| 02:51 | <jakesyl> | make it look like googles |
| 02:52 | <Yay295> | What do you need help with? It's pretty much just a white box. |
| 02:53 | <jakesyl> | here's what I have so far: https://gist.github.com/jakesyl/7c81dc31640068068775 I'm working on this right now: https://jsfiddle.net/f780xcs3/ but nothings showing up |
| 02:53 | <jakesyl> | The canvas face thing |
| 02:55 | <Yay295> | Why are you using a canvas? |
| 02:55 | <jakesyl> | to make that face thing |
| 02:57 | <Yay295> | You don't need a canvas for that. |
| 02:57 | <jakesyl> | hmm, how do i do it then |
| 02:57 | <Yay295> | Try doing what Google did. "border-radius: 50%;" |
| 02:59 | <jakesyl> | for the.... |
| 03:00 | <jakesyl> | oh cool! |
| 03:01 | <jakesyl> | so how do I make one overlay the other |
| 03:02 | <Yay295> | HTML is read top to bottom. Things declared after other things get put on top. |
| 03:03 | <Yay295> | You could also use the CSS 'z-index' property. |
| 03:05 | <jakesyl> | wait so on googles page what is this for: <canvas id="canvas" class="circle" width="96" height="96"></canvas> |
| 03:07 | <Yay295> | I don't see a canvas element when I visit that page. Google must be sending us slightly different pages for some reason. |
| 03:09 | <jakesyl> | hmm |
| 04:26 | <MikeSmith> | astearns: FYI https://twitter.com/sideshowbarker/status/623347810457358336 |
| 04:27 | <MikeSmith> | astearns: I realize this isn't your department at all but any guidance or suggestions for who to talk with would be appreciated. |
| 04:28 | <astearns> | MikeSmith: I have a couple DW contacts, I'll see who I can send your way |
| 04:28 | <MikeSmith> | astearns: thanks, much appreciated |
| 04:29 | <MikeSmith> | astearns: Dunno if you know this feature but apparently Dreamweaver (CS6 at least; I don't user Dreamweaver and don't know about versions) has some feature where it will send a document to the (legacy) W3C Validator and some UI for displaying the results |
| 04:30 | <astearns> | ah, I didn't know. I've never been a DW user :) |
| 04:30 | <MikeSmith> | heh |
| 04:31 | <MikeSmith> | well what happened is, since last week, basically I'm taking all requests for HTML5 documents sent to the legacy validator and auto-redirecting them to the Nu HTML Checker https://validator.w3.org/nu/ |
| 04:31 | <MikeSmith> | if DW is expecting the results in some format that's different from what I'm sending back now, I can try to have the Nu checker send it in that expected format |
| 04:32 | <astearns> | or we could update to the new address and format |
| 04:32 | <MikeSmith> | yeah I would prefer that |
| 04:34 | <astearns> | the 'creative cloud' aspect is supposed to make it easy to update things like this, but I expect there will be a legacy tail where we'd like the old format :) |
| 04:37 | <MikeSmith> | yeah |
| 04:37 | <MikeSmith> | I don't like breaking things that people depend on |
| 04:38 | <MikeSmith> | but on the other hand sometimes you can't know what will break until you break it |
| 04:45 | <astearns> | MikeSmith: I've blasted everyone I know on the DW team with your contact info and summary of the issue above |
| 04:46 | <MikeSmith> | astearns: coolãžthanks much |
| 05:21 | <jakesyl> | is this a common error: http://imgur.com/G8THmEG and how do i fix it? |
| 05:36 | <Domenic> | Anyone have the email where Boris and annevk work out the custom elements callbacks attached/detached thing? |
| 05:37 | <Domenic> | Found it https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2015AprJun/0517.html |
| 08:19 | <howdoi_> | gsnedders: Fixed it, so it lists out only the companies for now https://github.com/hemanth/tc39-members |
| 08:19 | <howdoi_> | thanks. |
| 09:09 | <Ms2ger> | bring back to life: |
| 09:09 | <Ms2ger> | XForms Working Group |
| 09:19 | <MikeSmith> | Ms2ger: yeah I encourage y'all to comment on that please |
| 09:20 | <MikeSmith> | as in, say No |
| 09:21 | <MikeSmith> | there was an XForms WG in plh's domain for years that was doing nothing and he tried to shut it down for a long time and finally succeeded |
| 09:22 | <Ms2ger> | I would suggest that, but it'll happen anyway, and most likely people will start wasting dbaron's time trying to get him to change his vote |
| 09:22 | <MikeSmith> | ok |
| 09:23 | <Ms2ger> | I have basically zero confidence in feedback like that being paid attention to |
| 09:23 | <MikeSmith> | oh it's paid attention to |
| 09:23 | <MikeSmith> | especially when I amplify it |
| 09:24 | <MikeSmith> | but if no AC reps speak up I have nothing to amplify |
| 09:24 | <MikeSmith> | I already stalled those charters from going out to the AC to begin with because I insisted that none of those groups be rechartered as Member-only |
| 09:24 | <jgraham> | Ms2ger: Oh, you mean outside people? |
| 09:25 | <MikeSmith> | originally at least |
| 09:25 | <jgraham> | MikeSmith: What is this, 1998? |
| 09:25 | <MikeSmith> | yeah, seriously |
| 09:25 | <Ms2ger> | jgraham, XML people |
| 09:26 | <MikeSmith> | at least make I do think it's worth making the comment "none of this should be going into |
| 09:27 | <MikeSmith> | * "none of this work should be getting done under any assumption that it will get implemented in browsers" |
| 09:27 | <jgraham> | I'm struggling to imagine anyone who works on Gecko arguing with "we have no intention of implementing XForms, and feel it's a distraction from the real and urgent needs of the web" |
| 09:27 | <MikeSmith> | which kinda should make anybody then ask why it's being done at the W3C at all, and that would be a very good question |
| 09:27 | <Ms2ger> | Yeah, dbaron already said that |
| 09:28 | <jgraham> | Ms2ger: Pointer? |
| 09:28 | <Ms2ger> | MikeSmith, last I checked, there was an oil industry group at w3c, so I doubt that says much :) |
| 09:28 | <Ms2ger> | "(My inclination is at minimum to explicitly abstain, with comments |
| 09:28 | <Ms2ger> | that they shouldn't expect browser implementation.)" |
| 09:28 | <Ms2ger> | On m.d.platform |
| 09:28 | <jgraham> | Oh, I ignored that because it said "XML Group activity", it seems |
| 09:31 | <MikeSmith> | these groups are basically just a kind of pollution at this point |
| 09:32 | <MikeSmith> | I wish more AC reps would say stuff like that rather than just not commenting at all or abstaining |
| 09:32 | <smaug____> | what is the reason to try to bring XForms back to life? |
| 09:32 | <MikeSmith> | smaug____: beacuse there are some diehards that want to keep working on it |
| 09:33 | <MikeSmith> | I think it's fine if they do, but that's what we have Community Groups for |
| 09:33 | <smaug____> | Pemberton + insurance companies ? |
| 09:33 | <Ms2ger> | Why not ECMA? |
| 09:33 | <MikeSmith> | I would love to gift the XForms stuff to ECMA |
| 09:33 | <MikeSmith> | or Oasis or somewhere |
| 09:33 | <Ms2ger> | How about xml core? :) |
| 09:34 | <MikeSmith> | zcorpan still gets some productive stuff done in xml core or somewhere |
| 09:34 | <MikeSmith> | but I don't know if he plans to keep doing that |
| 09:34 | <Ms2ger> | Really? |
| 09:35 | <MikeSmith> | he worked on the spec for the XML stylesheet processing instruction at least |
| 09:35 | <Ms2ger> | Yeah, but that was years ago, and they made him cut out half the spec, no? |
| 09:36 | <smaug____> | MikeSmith: does having a WG use more W3C's resources than a CG? |
| 09:37 | <jgraham> | smaug____: Seems like it must since they get f2f meetings including TPAC and so on |
| 09:37 | <jgraham> | and a contact? |
| 09:37 | <Ms2ger> | The proposed charters are requesting 85% fte altogether |
| 09:38 | <jgraham> | I guess if you're going to argue it like that though; it's possible that there are people that only join W3C to participate in XForms (I don't know if that's true) |
| 09:40 | <jgraham> | So I am going to suggest the problem is one of focus; the W3C should dedicate it's resources to leading the web to its full potential, and not work on things that are unrelated to that |
| 09:40 | <jgraham> | s/'// |
| 09:40 | <Ms2ger> | "The Working Group may, if needed, update XML Events 2 if needed" |
| 09:40 | <jgraham> | Ms2ger: Best to hedge your bets |
| 09:40 | <Ms2ger> | "the primary risk factor will be external attention and increased adoption leading to a longer review cycle than expected." |
| 09:43 | <Ms2ger> | The Working Group has current plans to: |
| 09:43 | <Ms2ger> | Publish a sixth edition of XML 1.0 as an Edited Recommendation, to include the changes for the LEIRI specification, at such time as IRI-bis is final. |
| 09:48 | <smaug____> | hmm, XML Events implementation was IIRC my first larger contribution to Gecko :p (I then removed it couple of years later) |
| 09:50 | <smaug____> | "couple" == 8 |
| 09:51 | <MikeSmith> | smaug____: having a WG definitely consumes more of W3C resources than having a CG |
| 09:52 | <MikeSmith> | in theory if all of our staff were capable of moving into work in other areas, then shutting down work in non-priority WGs would free up staff to help with WGs that actually matter |
| 09:53 | <MikeSmith> | Ms2ger: "to include the changes for the LEIRI specification, at such time as IRI-bis is final" pretty much says it all |
| 09:53 | <MikeSmith> | writing their own parody there |
| 09:54 | <Ms2ger> | This is almost as bad as Obama implementing an article from the Onion |
| 09:58 | <MikeSmith> | it's not quite as bad as the "Golden Key for Governments to Unlock Any Encryption" WG charter we'll sending out for AC review soon |
| 10:00 | <Ms2ger> | What's next, the "solve the halting problem" CG? |
| 10:03 | <MikeSmith> | that's the spirit |
| 10:03 | <MikeSmith> | optimism |
| 10:10 | jgraham | notes that gold is a soft metal that's therefore entirely unsuitable for making keys |
| 12:35 | <gsnedders> | jgraham: https://github.com/html5lib/html5lib-python/pull/198 would be nice to land sooner rather than later, FWIW |
| 12:36 | <gsnedders> | jgraham: as it allows us to keep up-to-date with tests without having unexpected failures |
| 12:37 | <gsnedders> | except it looks increasingly like there's more needed to get it to work, bah |
| 12:52 | <jgraham> | gsnedders: No critic review? |
| 13:07 | <gsnedders> | jgraham: no, doesn't appear to have picked it up |
| 13:11 | <gsnedders> | (FWIW, the remaining Travis failures are bugs in pytest-expect) |
| 13:22 | <gsnedders> | Basically need some way to serialise a set of a mixture of bytes and unicode, across both Py2 and Py3 |
| 13:25 | <gsnedders> | (pickle on Py2 doesn't support the more recent protocols which sanely cope) |
| 13:32 | <webzen> | hi |
| 14:28 | <webzen> | Should my imports also end up in document ready ? http://laravel.io/bin/9v6rM |