WHATWG on 2023-02-06

09:13	<annevk>	hsivonen: have you made up your mind on how to deal with the gb18030 update? Or maybe Adam Rice looked into it?
09:44	<hsivonen>	hsivonen: have you made up your mind on how to deal with the gb18030 update? Or maybe Adam Rice looked into it? It's unclear to me to if the upstream standard change is driven by practical improvement or by theory. At least I'm not advocating in favor of a browser change at this time.
09:45	<hsivonen>	Or are we talking about a different gb18030 update?
09:53	<annevk>	hsivonen: nah that one; https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2023/23003r-gb18030-recommendations.pdf was also brought to my attention
10:34	<hsivonen>	hsivonen: nah that one; https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2023/23003r-gb18030-recommendations.pdf was also brought to my attention Interesting. I guess a reasonable position for the Encoding Standard is to wait and see what reaction (if any) that letter gets.
11:08	<annevk>	Andreu Botella: Luca Casonato: will either of you update https://github.com/whatwg/fetch/pull/1346?
11:10	<annevk>	I'm also happy to do some work if that would be easier. I think there's enough agreement to merge this and give it a go.
11:53	<Andreu Botella>	Andreu Botella: Luca Casonato: will either of you update https://github.com/whatwg/fetch/pull/1346? I would update it if I had write permissions for fetch
11:57	<Andreu Botella>	or if Luca gave me write access to his branch
12:00	<annevk>	Andreu Botella: I gave you write access
12:00	<Andreu Botella>	thanks
12:08	<Noam Rosenthal>	Is there a place I'm missing where UI events create a task on the event loop? Seems like they don't and we rely on "SHOULD"-style somewhat implementation-specific behavior, but I wanted to make sure
12:17	<annevk>	Noam Rosenthal: the sequence of events should be that there's user input, which results in some computation and a task consisting of a set of steps, and those steps then end up dispatching the event
12:17	<annevk>	Noam Rosenthal: you're correct that UI events has been hand-wavy about this since say forever
12:18	<annevk>	Noam Rosenthal: there are some issues and depending on where you look you might find me complaining about it
12:24	<Noam Rosenthal>	annevk: gotcha, thanks for the context.
14:59	<hsivonen>	Ms2ger: What use case is this test ensuring proper support for? https://github.com/tc39/test262/issues/1696 That is, are you aware of a use case where it's actually useful to load a search collation into the sorting-oriented API? I'm seriously considering sending an Intent to unship: Search collations. (Due to making libxul larger with no reasonable use case that I can see given the API surface available.)
15:01	<hsivonen>	(My question at https://github.com/tc39/ecma402/issues/256#issuecomment-979760435 has remained unanswered for over a year.)
18:23	<littledan>	Ms2ger: What use case is this test ensuring proper support for? https://github.com/tc39/test262/issues/1696 That is, are you aware of a use case where it's actually useful to load a search collation into the sorting-oriented API? I'm seriously considering sending an Intent to unship: Search collations. (Due to making libxul larger with no reasonable use case that I can see given the API surface available.) This sounds like something to raise to TC39-TG2, the ECMA-402 committee, to see if people are still interested. It's been part of Intl since the beginning.
18:24	<littledan>	e.g., in one of their calls
18:25	<littledan>	I raised this in #tc39-ecma402:matrix.org
21:22	<TabAtkins>	So if we were doing a list: Payments: fixed? Pagination: some nice web components could pave the way for builtins later. DRM: What is this? preventing Save Page As? Better text layout: What is this one? What's wrong with text on the web? Re: the DRM part, I mean a way to serve purchased books that doesn't trivially allow the user to just save the file and email it to someone else. (I feel very strongly that DRM is fundamentally immoral, but it's absolutely a business requirement in this case.)
21:23	<TabAtkins>	For example, if I buy a book from B&N for my Nook, by default it's in a proprietary format that's locked to my account. Luckily the DRM is easy to strip off to obtain the epub inside the container, so I can archive my book collection, but aiui the process is somewhat more difficult for Kindle books.