| 09:37 | <krijnh> | Charl: you there? |
| 09:57 | <Charl> | krijnh: yes am here still, just not actively watching irc |
| 09:57 | <Charl> | krijnh: writing my application for google soc :) |
| 10:16 | <Lachy> | Hey Charl, you there? |
| 10:29 | <Charl> | Lachy: i am here right now, but will have to disappear for an hour or so, bbl |
| 10:29 | <Charl> | mail me please anyone, will read your mail as soon as i get back |
| 10:30 | <Charl> | or just use memoserve ;) |
| 10:32 | <Lachy> | nah, I was just gonna ask you why you weren't on MSN or Skype |
| 13:19 | <Charl> | hi BenWard :) |
| 13:19 | <BenWard> | Hi Charl :) I wondered if I'd stumble upon you in here. How're you doing? |
| 13:20 | <Charl> | very good thanks, yourself? |
| 13:25 | Charl | changes topic to 'WHATWG (HTML5) -- http://www.whatwg.org/ -- Logs: http://whatbot.charlvn.za.net/ or http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/ -- Please leave your sense of logic (and software patents) at the door, thanks! -- http://blog.whatwg.org/w3c-restarts-html-effort thanks to us!' |
| 13:25 | <Charl> | i seriously think somebody needs to get this channel on chanserv |
| 13:25 | <Charl> | so that we can have a proper entry message |
| 13:25 | <Charl> | instead of trying to squeeze everything into the title |
| 13:25 | <Charl> | this is channel title abuse :) |
| 13:26 | <BenWard> | Yeah… not too bad. I lost my job on Monday (company ran out of money) so I'm currently in the frantic freelancing limbo stage. |
| 13:27 | <Charl> | wow that sucks; i'm sure there'll be lots of work coming in, i hear the IT industry in many areas of europe is booming right now |
| 13:27 | <Charl> | i know here it is |
| 13:27 | <Charl> | we can hardly keep up, that's why i'm not active on many of the mailing lists right now :) |
| 13:34 | <krijnh> | Charl: freelancing doesn't suck :) |
| 13:34 | <Charl> | krijnh: not at all, only loosing your job :) |
| 13:35 | <Charl> | zcorpan: hi there |
| 13:35 | <zcorpan> | Charl: hi |
| 13:36 | <Charl> | zcorpan: sorry for being so silent from my side, i am desperately trying to get my google soc applications in |
| 13:36 | <Charl> | zcorpan: next week i'll be back to normal :) |
| 13:37 | <zcorpan> | no worries |
| 14:25 | <Dashiva> | So the html wg IRC channel is on yet another network. That puts my single-channel network count at... 6 |
| 14:37 | <Lachy> | it would have been better if the HTMLWG just joined in here, since most (I think) of us in here are on the HTMLWG. |
| 14:39 | <Dashiva> | Or have the channel on this network, even if it was a different channel |
| 14:40 | <Lachy> | oh wow, the topic of this channel just keeps growing :-) |
| 14:41 | <Lachy> | krijnh, will you be importing the logs from whatbot into your irc-logs server? Then we can remove one of the URIs and redirect whatbot to your site |
| 14:52 | <Charl> | that would be better yes |
| 14:53 | <Charl> | i actually want to kill the java process running whatbot |
| 14:53 | <Charl> | it's just wasting bandwidth at the moment |
| 14:53 | <Charl> | i'll have to take down that server |
| 14:53 | <Charl> | so the previous logs will be lost |
| 14:53 | <Charl> | unless they can find a new home |
| 14:53 | <Charl> | they're just static files |
| 14:53 | <Charl> | so i'm sure i'll be able to upload them somewhere |
| 14:54 | <Charl> | it would of course be cooler if krijn can just import them all |
| 14:54 | <krijnh> | Yeah sure, I have nothing to do anyway ;) |
| 14:56 | <Charl> | you gotta be kidding :) |
| 14:56 | <krijnh> | I was ;) |
| 14:56 | <Charl> | thought as much :P |
| 14:56 | <krijnh> | Timezones are different though |
| 14:56 | <krijnh> | 1 hour |
| 14:56 | <Charl> | oh yeah, SAST is UTC+02:00 |
| 14:57 | <Charl> | holland is on UTC+01:00 i think |
| 14:57 | <krijnh> | Jup |
| 14:57 | <krijnh> | Although the page says timestamps are in GMT/BST |
| 14:57 | <Charl> | bah |
| 14:57 | <krijnh> | Is it a problem? |
| 14:58 | <krijnh> | Else I just copy 'n paste everything :) |
| 14:58 | <Charl> | i really wish we could just use UTC for absolutely everything |
| 14:58 | <Charl> | even adjust our clocks to that |
| 14:58 | <Charl> | would make things so much simpler |
| 14:58 | <Charl> | nah i don't think anybody is going to cry about 1 hour |
| 14:58 | <Charl> | i can zip all those logfiles and send them to you though if you want |
| 14:58 | <krijnh> | I want :) |
| 14:59 | <Charl> | cool i'll be back at work tomorrow then i'll struggle with my server a bit and get things organised |
| 14:59 | <Charl> | today is public holiday in ZA |
| 14:59 | <krijnh> | What are you doing here then? |
| 14:59 | <Charl> | bah i don't take holidays ;) |
| 15:03 | <krijnh> | http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20061201 |
| 15:03 | <krijnh> | :] |
| 15:03 | <krijnh> | Okay, that'll work |
| 15:03 | <krijnh> | Although now the fluffy colors are gone |
| 15:04 | <met_> | krijnh, nice can make link to particular comment |
| 15:04 | <krijnh> | Yes |
| 15:04 | <krijnh> | If more is needed, let me know |
| 15:05 | <krijnh> | Gotta add some filters for hiding joins/quits et cetera |
| 15:06 | <Charl> | and whatbot is officially dead |
| 15:06 | <Charl> | :) |
| 15:06 | <krijnh> | RIP |
| 15:07 | <krijnh> | I wonder what happens when my connection drops |
| 15:09 | <Charl> | i know what happened when mine did: whatbot got pwned :) |
| 15:09 | <krijnh> | Just a gap in the logs I suppose? |
| 15:10 | <Charl> | yeah exactly |
| 15:50 | <krijnh> | Anybody; is the filter usable like this; http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20070321 ? |
| 15:51 | <billmason> | wfm |
| 15:53 | <krijnh> | wfm? ;) |
| 15:53 | <billmason> | it Works For Me |
| 15:53 | <krijnh> | Just kidding :) |
| 15:54 | <zcorpan> | not <dialog>? ;) |
| 15:55 | <krijnh> | <dialog> needs <dt><dd> |
| 15:55 | <krijnh> | I told you I like <li> ;) |
| 15:55 | <zcorpan> | oh yep |
| 15:56 | <krijnh> | There, dialog |
| 15:56 | <krijnh> | :P |
| 15:58 | <krijnh> | Nah |
| 15:58 | <zcorpan> | it isn't possible to use <dialog> for a log like that, as currently defined |
| 15:59 | <zcorpan> | you can't have timestamps and you can't have things like [14:01] * Joins: Charl (n=charlvn⊙1211) |
| 15:59 | <krijnh> | Which aren't too interesting anyway |
| 15:59 | <krijnh> | Imho |
| 16:00 | <krijnh> | For a log |
| 16:00 | <zcorpan> | but /me is |
| 16:00 | <zcorpan> | how would you mark up those? |
| 16:00 | zcorpan | wonders |
| 16:01 | <krijnh> | <li class="status join"> I think |
| 16:01 | <krijnh> | In this case |
| 16:01 | <zcorpan> | the join/quit can just be stripped |
| 16:24 | <krijnh> | zcorpan: Done |
| 16:27 | <zcorpan> | krijnh: nice |
| 16:28 | <krijnh> | The code isn't, but heck |
| 16:33 | <Charl> | krijnh: the only people who have perfect code are utterly bored |
| 16:34 | <krijnh> | Nah |
| 16:36 | <zcorpan> | Lachy: s60webkit is not an exception to the rule that mobile browsers is tagsoup all the way (reading #html-wg logs) |
| 16:48 | <Hixie> | hm, using <li> inside dialog isn't a bad idea |
| 16:48 | <Hixie> | for non-dialog directions |
| 16:49 | <sayrer> | so I guess the HTML WG will start with http://esw.w3.org/topic/RequirementsDocument |
| 16:49 | sayrer | sighs |
| 16:49 | <annevk> | why not <p>? |
| 16:49 | <annevk> | sayrer, no, you can say how you want it to start |
| 16:49 | <sayrer> | well first I would have to join it |
| 16:49 | <annevk> | afaik DanC is just putting down some thoughts |
| 16:49 | <annevk> | sayrer, I suppose |
| 16:49 | <sayrer> | actually, I guess it doesn't matter |
| 16:50 | <annevk> | public-html does accept e-mails from people not in the group |
| 16:50 | <sayrer> | if it comes down to it, Mozilla gets one vote |
| 16:50 | <sayrer> | but I don't expect there will ever be a vote |
| 16:51 | <annevk> | i hope not |
| 16:51 | <sayrer> | is there any other reason to join? |
| 16:51 | <annevk> | at the moment it's just to state your opinion, pretty much... |
| 16:51 | <annevk> | I suspect that one MS joins there might be some more activity |
| 16:51 | <annevk> | such as how it's going to work... |
| 16:52 | <sayrer> | that should be "interesting" |
| 16:52 | <zcorpan> | annevk: i guess since <p> is allowed where block-level elements are allowed, having <dialog><p> would imply that <dialog> can take any block-level elements. <li> is only allowed in specific places, so authors wouldn't get the idea that anything is allowed in <dialog> |
| 16:52 | <annevk> | sayrer, you always love a good flamebait ;) |
| 16:53 | <sayrer> | yeah... trying to ignore it... :) |
| 16:53 | <annevk> | hah |
| 16:53 | <sayrer> | just make sure none of your proposals harm the ecology of the Document object ;) |
| 17:16 | <bewest> | I don't know how in the world Hixie has time to respond to so many emails and edit the spec |
| 17:16 | <annevk> | it's his job |
| 17:16 | <bewest> | hmm |
| 17:16 | <Hixie> | yeah |
| 17:16 | <Hixie> | it's my job :-) |
| 17:17 | <bewest> | even so... |
| 17:20 | met_ | wonders if dialog can be used also for monolog like Hamlet's 8-) |
| 18:02 | <hendry> | i don't quite understand how "a final form medium" and "democratise web authoring" are related |
| 18:02 | <hendry> | esp. the last P.S. Argument |
| 18:03 | <hendry> | We have XML that can be adapted for different devices ... wtf |
| 18:04 | <hendry> | I don't think HTML content needs to be adapted for different devices |
| 18:04 | <hendry> | and XML isn't easier to edit than HTML is it? |
| 18:04 | <annevk> | depends on your god |
| 18:05 | <hendry> | annevk: what gods are there then? |
| 18:05 | <annevk> | you've got the Hixie god |
| 18:05 | <annevk> | and you've got Chris Lilley |
| 18:05 | <Hixie> | i'm no god. |
| 18:06 | <annevk> | oh |
| 18:06 | annevk | 's world collapses |
| 18:06 | <Hixie> | i'm immortal, but i'm not a god. :-P |
| 18:06 | <gsnedders> | I thought it depended if you believed in markup gods or not? |
| 18:08 | <annevk> | gsnedders, that's trailing slashes in void elements in text/html documents |
| 18:08 | <annevk> | but sure |
| 18:08 | <hendry> | Hixie: what is your opinion on "Is HTML a final form medium like PDF?" and the questions raised within |
| 18:08 | <gsnedders> | only limited to that? |
| 18:08 | <Hixie> | hendry: i don't understand the question. |
| 18:09 | <hendry> | Dave Raggett's post on public-html. |
| 18:09 | <hendry> | I don't quite understand the questioning either |
| 18:11 | <tylerr> | Morning all. **waves** |
| 18:11 | <bewest> | hendry: seems pretty hypothetical to me |
| 18:13 | <Hixie> | yeah |
| 18:13 | <Hixie> | it wasn't really concrete enough for me to understand what he meant in practical terms |
| 18:14 | <bewest> | tantek would have a field day with that |
| 18:14 | <bewest> | hehe |
| 18:16 | <sayrer> | I think someone should post section 1 of HTML5 in bullet-point form, and claim that the requirements discussion is over |
| 18:17 | <Hixie> | heh |
| 18:18 | <Hixie> | you guys watching this #html-wg discussion? |
| 18:18 | <bewest> | oh |
| 18:18 | <bewest> | I forgot |
| 18:18 | <bewest> | irc.w3.org? |
| 18:19 | <Hixie> | irc.w3.org 6665 #html-wg |
| 18:19 | <bewest> | hmm do I need to authenticate? |
| 18:19 | <Hixie> | no |
| 18:19 | bewest | checks the port :-) |
| 18:20 | <bewest> | too many clients! |
| 18:20 | <Hixie> | heh |
| 18:20 | <bewest> | oh |
| 18:20 | <Hixie> | wait, too many clienths? |
| 18:20 | <bewest> | nm |
| 18:20 | <bewest> | my first analysis is always wrong |
| 18:20 | <bewest> | you'd think I wouldn't trust it after a while |
| 18:27 | <bewest> | gah that discussions seems like a waste of time |
| 18:30 | <zcorpan_> | bewest: indeed |
| 18:31 | <Hixie> | feel free to say so... |
| 18:33 | <zcorpan_> | i have quit html-wg |
| 18:36 | <bewest> | I wonder if this will typify the wg... |
| 18:50 | <hsivonen> | zcorpan_: did you leave the IRC channel or the whole WG? |
| 18:59 | <tylerr> | Hixie: I joined that room and no one was there. **pouts** |
| 18:59 | <zcorpan_> | oh, no the irc channel |
| 18:59 | <tylerr> | #html-wg |
| 18:59 | <tylerr> | doh |
| 18:59 | <tylerr> | wrong server |
| 18:59 | <tylerr> | :) |
| 19:58 | <annevk> | http://dean.edwards.name/weblog/2007/03/yet-another/ |
| 20:00 | <Hixie> | wow if that's not proof that it should be called matchAll() and matchSingle() i don't know what is |
| 20:01 | <Lachy> | awesome! |
| 20:02 | <Lachy> | that's like the DOM script I wrote nearly 2 years ago, which I really needed to update. Now I don't have to, I can use that :-) |
| 20:05 | <bewest> | whoah that looks nice |
| 20:05 | <bewest> | that will get me to switch from prototype.js |
| 20:05 | <sayrer> | lol |
| 20:21 | <Hixie> | it does look nice |
| 20:27 | <h3h> | Hixie: FWIW you probably want to update this page: http://code.google.com/webstats/ |
| 20:27 | <h3h> | specifically, "We recommend Firefox 1.5." |
| 20:27 | <Hixie> | one day. |
| 20:37 | <tylerr> | I noticed that tutorials are needed for folks new to HTML, is the specification in a solid enough state to start writing some of these out? |
| 20:38 | <Hixie> | for some parts, e.g. <canvas>, yes. |
| 20:39 | <zcorpan_> | i've also been thinking about writing tuts |
| 20:39 | <met_> | http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Canvas_tutorial ? |
| 20:39 | <zcorpan_> | both for people who already know html4/xhtml1, and for people completely new to html |
| 20:40 | <zcorpan_> | although that could be combined, so that people who know html4 can skip the first chapter |
| 20:40 | tylerr | nods. |
| 20:40 | <tylerr> | I was thinking the same. |
| 20:44 | <tylerr> | It's a bit too early for a book, but as more elements and such come forth, all these tutorials will make for excellent book material. |
| 20:45 | <tylerr> | Come forth meaning <canvas> et al. |
| 20:46 | <zcorpan_> | get implemented |
| 20:46 | <tylerr> | Right. My vocabulary is lacking today. **chuckles** |
| 20:47 | <tylerr> | I've got a large number of pages to fix today from an outsourced vendor, bleh! |
| 20:59 | <Hixie> | annevk: as far as i can tell, that guy's use case is dealt with using pattern="", not inputmode="" |
| 20:59 | <Hixie> | inputmode is more of a UI hint |
| 21:01 | <tylerr> | Here we go Hixie. http://futuremark.blogspot.com/ |
| 21:01 | <tylerr> | Tutorials forthcoming. |
| 21:01 | tylerr | smiles. |
| 21:01 | <annevk> | makes sense |
| 21:01 | annevk | replied again with pattern="" |
| 21:24 | <zcorpan> | i wonder if babyruthcoming posted those threads manually |
| 21:27 | <zcorpan> | on the forum that is |
| 21:41 | <Hixie> | so there are two things that i've received feedback about that i'm thinking of adding to v1 of <video> |
| 21:41 | <Hixie> | one is an onended event |
| 21:41 | <Hixie> | the other is a way of adding cue marks |
| 21:41 | <Hixie> | cue marks being a way to say "at 21549ms, pause the video and send me an event telling me we're at cue 1" |
| 21:42 | <Hixie> | or "at 9292ms, send me a cue mark but continue playing the video" |
| 21:43 | <annevk> | are cue marks scripted? |
| 21:43 | <tylerr> | Those are good to have. I use those with QuickTime. |
| 21:43 | <annevk> | and why not use setTimeout? |
| 21:44 | <bewest> | are there guidelines for what successful tutorials look like? |
| 21:44 | <annevk> | bewest, 1000diggs |
| 21:44 | <hsivonen> | annevk: lol |
| 21:44 | <bewest> | nice |
| 21:44 | <Hixie> | how would setTimeout work? the video might be paused, seeked, etc. |
| 21:44 | <Hixie> | tylerr: yeah lots of people have spoken about them |
| 21:44 | <tylerr> | bewest: Looks like we're going to have to create 999 Digg accounts. |
| 21:45 | <annevk> | Hixie, oh, duh |
| 21:45 | <bewest> | or any alexa rank better than http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=http://w3schools.com/ |
| 21:45 | <bewest> | yeah I was curious about setTimeout |
| 21:45 | <annevk> | Hixie, still leaves the first question |
| 21:45 | <Hixie> | yes |
| 21:45 | <tylerr> | bewest: I created http://futuremark.blogspot.com/, I could add you as a contributor. |
| 21:45 | <Hixie> | you would do it scripted, at least in v1 |
| 21:45 | <annevk> | k |
| 21:45 | <Hixie> | unless we want to change the video stream somehow |
| 21:45 | <bewest> | tylerr: nah.... I'm all talk ;-) |
| 21:45 | <tylerr> | Ah right right. :) |
| 21:46 | <bewest> | tylerr: (aka too many projects already) |
| 21:46 | <bewest> | although I wonder if a planetwebtutorial would be in order |
| 21:46 | <annevk> | Hixie, did you specifically search for <t:video or <something:video as well? |
| 21:47 | <tylerr> | bewest: I've gotten myself rather swamped as well outside of work. HTML-WG soon, WaSP Street Team, Microformats, the list goes on. :) |
| 21:47 | <bewest> | yes |
| 21:49 | <tylerr> | On top of all that, I'm trying to turn myself into the company evangelist on web standards and accessibility. |
| 21:49 | <bewest> | of course |
| 21:49 | <tylerr> | Needless to say, my life is booked... for life. ;) |
| 21:50 | <Hixie> | annevk: <t:video |
| 21:50 | <bewest> | be careful... you'll find people coming to ask you questions you have no clue about |
| 21:50 | <Hixie> | annevk: you found any <other:video ? |
| 21:50 | <tylerr> | bewest: Naturally. I'm happy to direct them to #web or #html. ;) |
| 21:50 | <annevk> | Hixie, no, but given that t is bound to a namespace that should be possible... |
| 21:50 | <annevk> | although I guess most people would copy and paste |
| 21:52 | <Hixie> | i wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't possible, but yeah. |
| 21:53 | <bewest> | Hixie: I don't think either of those features are required for v1 |
| 21:53 | <annevk> | it should be possible, IE also allows inlining of SVG that way (in combination with the Adobe plugin) |
| 21:54 | <bewest> | setTimeout handlers can check to make sure playback was continuous, as long as the syncing is sane when playback is continuous |
| 21:54 | <annevk> | setTimeout can't ensure that |
| 21:54 | <bewest> | oh |
| 21:54 | <bewest> | I asked you earlier and you said it was |
| 21:54 | <annevk> | the video could hit a AUTO-PAUSED for instance |
| 21:54 | <annevk> | well, I forgot a few variables |
| 21:55 | <bewest> | no, I mean when playback is continuous |
| 21:55 | <annevk> | although in theory I suppose you can take that all into account and develop your own cue marks... |
| 21:55 | <annevk> | but they might be inaccurate |
| 21:55 | <bewest> | if other things happen, your handler can sniff those out |
| 21:55 | <bewest> | eg, you can create an object that deschedules things when those things happen |
| 21:55 | <annevk> | otoh, you can just check video.position every 50ms |
| 21:56 | <bewest> | it's kind of a pain but it is possible |
| 21:56 | <bewest> | so if v1 is about enabling and not perfecting, then I say leave it all out |
| 22:03 | annevk | would just concur |
| 22:03 | <annevk> | it's unlikely we update our experimental <video> implementation soonish anyway I think |
| 22:21 | annevk | wondered for a moment if MegaZone is a spammer |
| 22:21 | <Lachy_> | who's MegaZone? |
| 22:21 | <tylerr> | MegaZone? |
| 22:21 | <Lachy_> | on the blog, wiki or forum? |
| 22:21 | <annevk> | the list |
| 22:21 | <tylerr> | Ah nevermind, just got the e-mail. :) |
| 22:21 | <annevk> | but it appears it's for real |
| 22:21 | <zcorpan> | wow, didn't know about ctrl+drag in tables in firefox |
| 22:22 | <Lachy_> | oh, me too :-) |
| 22:23 | <tylerr> | What the... that is an odd e-mail from MegaZone. |
| 22:23 | <tylerr> | And my mail filter doesn't work on him. |
| 22:24 | <annevk> | i meant that I don't think he's spamming |
| 22:24 | tylerr | nods |
| 22:24 | <tylerr> | I'm just confused as to why I got mail that was not sent to the list. |
| 22:25 | <Lachy_> | it was probably BCC'd for some reason |
| 22:26 | tylerr | nods. That's what I figure. |
| 22:26 | <Lachy_> | I wonder why the Sender is 'whatwg-bounces⊙wo'. Is that from the moderation queue or something? |
| 22:28 | <annevk> | there shouldn't be such a thing |
| 22:28 | <annevk> | i mean, Hixie said he wouldn't pay attention to it |
| 22:30 | annevk | -> bed |
| 22:31 | <annevk> | g'night |
| 22:32 | <hasather> | good night annevk |
| 22:44 | <tylerr> | What do you all think of "one-a-days" as a way to introduce the elements of HTML5 to new and current web developers? Basically each day present a new blog entry covering a single element, with an overview/breakdown and example section. |
| 22:47 | <Lachy_> | tylerr: are you planning to write some articles like that? |
| 22:47 | <tylerr> | Aye Lachy_. I've gone and set up a blog already over at Blogger. |
| 22:47 | <Lachy_> | URI? |
| 22:48 | <tylerr> | http://futuremark.blogspot.com/ |
| 22:48 | <tylerr> | Nothing as of yet. Just set it up an hour or so ago. :) |
| 22:48 | <Lachy_> | articles like that might be good to have on blog.whatwg.org |
| 22:49 | <zcorpan> | i guess it makes more sense to focus on features rather than elements, as some elements are rather boring and others don't do anything without combination of other elements, and some features don't have elements at all, etc |
| 22:49 | <zcorpan> | and some elements are overloaded, e.g. <input> |
| 22:49 | tylerr | nods. |
| 22:50 | <tylerr> | Something to think about. |
| 22:51 | <zcorpan> | what i had in mind wrt writing a tut was to have one big tutorial that is updated as the spec envolves... so not quite blog-like |
| 22:51 | <tylerr> | That's an open blog right lachy_? |
| 22:51 | <tylerr> | Ah so like a wikitorial? |
| 22:52 | <zcorpan> | yeah |
| 22:52 | <tylerr> | That's a nifty idea. |
| 22:52 | <Lachy_> | tylerr: yes, anyone can register and post to that blog |
| 22:52 | <tylerr> | Lovely. Perhaps then I'll leave Futuremark to future endeavors. ;) |
| 22:53 | <tylerr> | And focus on doing the one-a-days on the blog.whatwg.com |
| 22:53 | <tylerr> | Err |
| 22:53 | <tylerr> | .org |
| 22:53 | <Lachy_> | if you want to start a tutorial, set it up on wiki.whatwg.org |
| 22:53 | <Lachy_> | in fact, that would be an interesting community project for all those people who write to me asking how they can help |
| 22:54 | <zcorpan> | Lachy_: yeah that's what i thought |
| 22:55 | <tylerr> | Lachy_: That would address the "Write tutorials for new authors and for authors moving to HTML5." and "Write articles about HTML5 on the blog" quite nicely. |
| 22:55 | <zcorpan> | the tutorial should be of two major parts, i think; one without any new features in html5 (for beginners) and one with only new features in html5 (for people who know html4) |
| 22:56 | <Lachy_> | it should be one tutorial. It should just progress from beginner to advanced |
| 22:56 | <tylerr> | So a "List.4.01 -> List.5?" type of deal? |
| 22:58 | <tylerr> | Ah nevermind. I understand what you mean. |
| 22:58 | Lachy_ | goes to set up /wiki/HTML5_Tutorial |
| 22:59 | <Lachy_> | http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/HTML5_Tutorial |
| 23:00 | <bewest> | why should there be one? |
| 23:00 | <Lachy_> | why not? |
| 23:00 | <bewest> | not everyone writes or reads the same way |
| 23:00 | <zcorpan> | so? |
| 23:01 | <Lachy_> | this doesn't have to be the only tutorial, but there should be at least one somewhere |
| 23:01 | <bewest> | /wiki/tutorials/... |
| 23:01 | <Lachy_> | people need to learn HTML5 |
| 23:01 | bewest | pipes down |
| 23:01 | <bewest> | yeah, looks good |
| 23:02 | <zcorpan> | tutorials will be written regardless, so we should set up a place where people can contribute and we can fix their misinformation ;) |
| 23:02 | <bewest> | yeah |
| 23:02 | <bewest> | good idea |
| 23:02 | <Lachy_> | bewest: I thought about setting up Category:Tutorial for that, but then there only needs to be one on this wiki. We could set up a /Tutorials page that just catalogues all known tutorials on the web |
| 23:03 | <zcorpan> | or rather, all *good* tutorials on the web :) |
| 23:03 | <Lachy_> | We can list the bad ones too in the section called "Bad Tutorials" :-) |
| 23:04 | <bewest> | yeah |
| 23:04 | <bewest> | hehehe |
| 23:04 | <zcorpan> | oh yep, that's ok :) |
| 23:04 | <Lachy_> | w3schools would go in there ;-) |
| 23:04 | <bewest> | that's funny |
| 23:04 | <bewest> | yes |
| 23:04 | <bewest> | hehe |
| 23:04 | <bewest> | a planet style site would be interesting |
| 23:04 | <bewest> | provide search juice |
| 23:04 | <tylerr> | Lachy_: How might you categorize these one-a-days I'll be doing soon? Would they fall under Category:Element? |
| 23:05 | <Lachy_> | I thought they were blog entries, not wiki pages? |
| 23:05 | <tylerr> | Lachy_: Ah sorry, yes. That's what I mean. Would they fall under the already created category of element? |
| 23:05 | <tylerr> | Or should there be a custom category for them? |
| 23:06 | <Lachy_> | oh, you mean http://blog.whatwg.org/category/elements/ ? |
| 23:06 | <tylerr> | bewest: Something akin to a zen garden? |
| 23:06 | <tylerr> | Lachy_: Aye. |
| 23:06 | <bewest> | something akin to planetrdf or planetcherrypy but for web authoring tutorials |
| 23:06 | <tylerr> | Ahh |
| 23:07 | <Lachy_> | You can select multiple categories for each article, and you can create a new one if you like. (if you need admin privilages to do that, just ask me to set it up) |
| 23:07 | <tylerr> | Perfect Lachy_, will do. I'll flesh out an article schedule tomorrow. |
| 23:07 | <tylerr> | I'd do it tonight but guests have decided to stay the evening. |
| 23:08 | <zcorpan> | tylerr: you could perhaps start with these features http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Implementations_in_Web_browsers |
| 23:08 | <tylerr> | zcorpan: Excellent! That would be lovely. |
| 23:09 | <tylerr> | Then move on to the others. |
| 23:09 | <tylerr> | Question, is this an up-to-date site? |
| 23:09 | <tylerr> | http://simon.html5.org/html5-elements |
| 23:11 | <tylerr> | If so, I've got 87 days of articles. |
| 23:11 | tylerr | smiles. |
| 23:12 | <Lachy_> | tylerr: that's why it's best to focus on features, rather than elements. Also, not all features have elements. Some are APIs, class names, rel, etc. |
| 23:12 | <zcorpan> | tylerr: it should be up to date. if you find anything that's incorrect please let me know :) |
| 23:12 | <tylerr> | Ah that's yours zcorpan, lovely! |
| 23:13 | <Lachy_> | and some elements might need more than one article. e.g. all the <input type="..."> and other form contorls |
| 23:13 | <tylerr> | Lachy_: And a good point. |
| 23:13 | <tylerr> | I'll model it then on features as you suggest. |
| 23:14 | <tylerr> | Lists, tables, forms, quotes, etc. |
| 23:16 | <tylerr> | Right then. |
| 23:19 | <tylerr> | Would it be of benefit to have a section of the wiki that lists contributors/volunteers and what they're working on? |
| 23:25 | <Lachy_> | tylerr: you could list the project on the /What_you_can_do page, and then set up another page explaining how people can help out |
| 23:25 | <Lachy_> | http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/What_you_can_do |
| 23:26 | <tylerr> | Right right, so as a section below the initial list. |
| 23:27 | <Lachy_> | do it however you like. It's your project! |
| 23:27 | tylerr | chuckles. |
| 23:28 | <tylerr> | Right then. |
| 23:30 | <tylerr> | Well folks, thanks for the good discussion today, I'm off till tomorrow. |
| 23:30 | <zcorpan_> | cya |
| 23:30 | <Lachy_> | cya later |
| 23:58 | <othermaciej> | Hixie: media stuff sent |
| 23:59 | <Hixie> | sweet |