| 00:03 | <zcorpan> | wow, innerHTML in firefox is weird when you use a <meta charset=utf-8> |
| 00:03 | <zcorpan> | it adds a <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; "> |
| 00:03 | <zcorpan> | which is not present in the dom |
| 00:04 | <zcorpan> | or wait, it always adds that |
| 00:06 | <Hixie> | innerHTML on what? |
| 00:06 | <zcorpan> | on the root element |
| 00:07 | <Hixie> | ah |
| 00:07 | <zcorpan> | of any html document |
| 00:07 | <Hixie> | interesting |
| 00:07 | <zcorpan> | didn't do that before |
| 00:15 | <zcorpan> | http://www.webforum.nu/showthread.php?t=157133 -- showModalDialog. not sure what the use-case is here, he says he wants a window that is on top for some service while the user is browsing around |
| 00:16 | <Hixie> | yeah, we'll have to spec it |
| 00:16 | <Hixie> | too many people depend on it |
| 00:16 | <Hixie> | i have a folder for feedback on it |
| 00:16 | <zcorpan> | ok |
| 02:05 | <rubys> | jgraham: ping? |
| 02:46 | <MikeSmith> | what's VBScript? |
| 02:48 | <mpt> | Visual Basic script, supported in Internet Explorer but not other browsers |
| 02:48 | <mpt> | since ... IE3 or so |
| 03:02 | <MikeSmith> | mpt - was just joking (regarding liorean's message to the whatwg list) |
| 03:03 | <jruderman> | heh, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41274 is still open |
| 03:06 | <MikeSmith> | something funny/sad/ironic - posting on IEMobile blog a while back in which Microsoft recommends against using VBScript - |
| 03:06 | <MikeSmith> | http://blogs.msdn.com/iemobile/archive/2006/12/18/why-doesn-t-adobe-flash-always-render-for-ie-mobile.aspx |
| 03:07 | <MikeSmith> | because IE Mobile doesn't support it |
| 03:08 | <MikeSmith> | jruderman - reminds me of when I was at Opera and the many helpful suggestions that all we needed to do was just suppert ActiveX and then all our interoperability problems would be solved |
| 03:13 | <jruderman> | MikeSmith: afaict, they're not recommending switching from vbscript to javascript for the last bit of browser detection code, but adding yet another branch to the browser detection code to look for WINCE :( |
| 03:15 | <MikeSmith> | yeah, but it's more fun to say, "Microsoft recommends against using VBScript" ... not technically precise maybe but not completely untrue |
| 03:16 | <MikeSmith> | but yeah, their "solution" suggested there hardly looks like fun either |
| 03:17 | <MikeSmith> | the real solution they should suggest is, We recommend you use a mobile browser other than IE Mobile |
| 03:19 | <MikeSmith> | and don't bother to develop sites with IE Mobile for users, because there are not sane people who use it |
| 03:19 | <MikeSmith> | or something like that ... they're free to tweak the wording of that as they see fit |
| 03:23 | <zcorpan_> | http://annevankesteren.nl/2007/05/wasting-resources#comment-6054 does someone understand what he means? |
| 04:06 | <mpt> | MikeSmith, if that's a reason not to use VBScript, it's also a reason not to use <embed> |
| 14:33 | <annevk> | http://www.flickr.com/photos/justinsomnia/513636061/ |
| 14:34 | <annevk> | and http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/index.php/2007/html5-microformats-accessibility-testing/ says header= not headers= |
| 14:34 | <annevk> | lol |
| 14:34 | <krijn> | 'Goodbye headers, hello again <kbd> and <samp>' |
| 14:34 | <krijn> | Probably a typo |
| 14:36 | <annevk> | yeah, tutorials contain that typo too though |
| 14:36 | <annevk> | including examples cited on the web |
| 14:36 | <krijn> | Jup |
| 14:38 | <annevk> | "... there were other, more-immediate tasks at hand, ..., or emerging technologies like microformats" |
| 14:38 | <annevk> | and HTML5... |
| 14:38 | <Philip`> | Maybe UAs should accept both 'headers' and 'header' (while only the former is conforming)? :-) |
| 14:38 | <krijn> | Yeah, but split both documents ;) |
| 14:39 | <Philip`> | (The same could apply to <metre>) |
| 14:40 | <annevk> | <image> |
| 14:40 | <krijn> | Yeah, I was going to ask that |
| 14:40 | <krijn> | <image> is conforming? |
| 14:41 | <zcorpan_> | no |
| 14:41 | <krijn> | But supported by current UAs? |
| 14:41 | <zcorpan_> | yes |
| 14:41 | <zcorpan_> | ends up as img in the dom |
| 14:41 | <krijn> | Historical reasons or something? |
| 14:42 | <zcorpan_> | not sure why. html+ and html 3.0 had <image src>alt</image> |
| 14:43 | <zcorpan_> | annevk: opera converts <image> to <img> in xml too |
| 14:45 | <annevk> | cool |
| 14:45 | <zcorpan_> | not cool |
| 14:45 | <zcorpan_> | :) |
| 14:48 | <zcorpan_> | you have a bug on that? |
| 14:51 | <annevk> | we once had this tagline: "Opera: the rebel browser" |
| 14:51 | <annevk> | also printed on a t-shirt, with the face of Che Guevara... |
| 14:52 | <annevk> | don't think so |
| 14:53 | <zcorpan_> | ok |
| 14:54 | <annevk> | got to go |
| 14:55 | <zcorpan_> | cya |
| 14:59 | <zcorpan_> | #266615 |
| 16:02 | <zcorpan_> | http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/2007/05/support-for-html-video-element-in.html |
| 16:07 | <Jero> | cool |
| 22:37 | annevk | wonders why some people have so much bias: http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/index.php/2007/html5-microformats-accessibility-testing/ |
| 22:37 | <annevk> | It's not like we're actively trying to be evil, right? |
| 22:38 | <Dashiva> | Or maybe that's what Hixie wants us to think |
| 22:39 | <annevk> | I guess some of the e-mails on public-html might have had the wrong tone |
| 23:32 | <gsnedders> | annevk: we're not evil? oh. |
| 23:32 | <gsnedders> | annevk: time for me to find a now WG, then :P |