| 08:48 | <hsivonen> | Hixie: I'm getting personal feedback that disapproves of giving semantics to previously presentational elements like <small>. Do you have a PR story I could refer to? |
| 11:12 | <jgraham> | In pre/textarea blocks only the first newline gets dropped, right? |
| 11:13 | jgraham | has discovered that some html5lib testcases drop more which seems like a bug |
| 11:13 | <jgraham> | or, I suppose I'm making a mistake... |
| 11:21 | <hsivonen> | Hixie: have you run a Google analysis on what percentage (permilliage?) of text/html pages have an <svg> or <math> tag in them? |
| 11:21 | <hsivonen> | Hixie: that is, would we break the Web if we fixed MathML in HTML and SVG in HTML? |
| 12:40 | <Jero> | sweet: http://digg.com/programming/HTML5_differences_from_HTML4 |
| 12:41 | <Jero> | hopefully showing this document to a large audience as digg will make people understand html5 better |
| 13:53 | <Dashiva> | Jero: From the comments there, it seems many people don't want to understand :) |
| 14:00 | <krijnh> | 'I will never leave you center tag, my love :(' |
| 14:00 | <krijnh> | Hehe |
| 14:01 | <Jero> | yeah, some comments are pretty humorous :p |
| 14:01 | <krijnh> | They aren't too bad |
| 14:03 | <Jero> | Dashiva: I suppose you're right but at least we make them think about it |
| 14:04 | <Jero> | and some critique is actually IMO not completely wrong |
| 14:05 | <annevk> | anything new? |
| 14:05 | <annevk> | besides the digg link above :) |
| 14:05 | Philip` | guesses that getting random patterns of colours (presumably picking up random sections of memory) in canvas drawing is not entirely optimal from a security point of view |
| 14:05 | <annevk> | guess the debate on XHTML is settled with that... |
| 14:05 | <annevk> | XHTML5* |
| 14:06 | <krijnh> | "XHTML is the future. I can't wait for XHTML2." - that's too bad then |
| 14:06 | <Jero> | i see a lot of people that are confused with the naming |
| 14:07 | <Jero> | "What is the XHTML 5.0? I've heard about HTML 5.0 and XHTML 2.0. Did the naming is changed?" |
| 14:07 | <annevk> | heh, they're promoting my blog |
| 14:07 | <krijnh> | Did Digg users undergo an upgrade or something? |
| 14:08 | <annevk> | yeah, the last time they looked at HTML5 it kind of sucked, now it rules |
| 14:08 | <krijnh> | Indeed |
| 14:08 | <Jero> | i think it got popular because Kevin Rose was one of the first to digg it |
| 14:09 | <Jero> | and many people have him as a friend, so that way it becomes instantly popular |
| 14:09 | <krijnh> | Yay for web2.0 |
| 14:10 | <Jero> | "HTML 5...wouldn't that mean that Web 5.0 isn't far off?" wtf... |
| 14:10 | <annevk> | "HTML5 is so strict that it steps on my balls while wearing high heels" |
| 14:11 | <krijnh> | "He didn't say he didn't enjoy it." |
| 14:11 | <annevk> | Jero, we've been talking about Web 5.0 a lot here, actually |
| 14:11 | <Jero> | oh snap, i've been missing out |
| 14:11 | <krijnh> | XML5, HTTP5, WEB5, where does it end :) |
| 14:11 | <krijnh> | CSS5 |
| 14:11 | <krijnh> | DOM5 |
| 14:12 | <krijnh> | R5 |
| 14:12 | <annevk> | SVG5 |
| 14:12 | <Philip`> | Implemented in Firefox 5 and Safari 5? And, uh, Opera 15? |
| 14:12 | <krijnh> | Opera5 prolly already supported all of this anyway |
| 14:12 | <annevk> | Opera 2^5 |
| 14:13 | <Philip`> | Opera X.5, maybe |
| 14:14 | <annevk> | I like to think I'm better informed :p |
| 14:14 | <krijnh> | Yeah, you have that habit ;) |
| 14:47 | <annevk> | jgraham, would be good if you could e-mail that yes |
| 14:48 | <annevk> | jgraham, either to the list or just to me |
| 14:48 | <jgraham> | annevk: You are referring to the HTML4/5 differences thing? |
| 14:49 | <annevk> | yeah |
| 14:50 | <annevk> | http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=here_comes_html5_duck&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 |
| 14:51 | <Dashiva> | It's sort of depressing to see people ask "Why add <header>, <aside>, <section>, etc when we have <div> already?" |
| 14:51 | <Dashiva> | And these are the people who claim they want semantic markup? |
| 14:53 | <annevk> | jgraham, I like your suggestions btw, I'll guess I'll look into them tomorrow or Monday or so |
| 14:54 | <annevk> | wow, there's lots of people who linked to that story overnight |
| 14:54 | <jgraham> | Dashiva: One of the suggestions I'm going to add to my list for Anne is to mention that nesting <section> alters heading depth like <h1>-<h6> |
| 14:55 | <annevk> | Yeah, we should probably group some of the new elements together that take part in a model |
| 14:55 | <annevk> | maybe also have a table at the end that has all the differences as a simple overview including links to the spec or something |
| 14:58 | <hsivonen> | are there cases when "insertion point" is not either undefined or just before the next input character? |
| 14:59 | annevk | isn't sure |
| 15:00 | <hsivonen> | annevk: does html5lib support document.write()? |
| 15:00 | <annevk> | in theory |
| 15:01 | <annevk> | we have a stream that you can inject into |
| 15:01 | <hsivonen> | ok. I wonder if I should implement tokenizer-level support for document.write() |
| 15:01 | <hsivonen> | if I do, it'll be asynchronous |
| 15:02 | <hsivonen> | so that the method will return immediately and the caller may listen to an event indicating when the buffer has been parsed |
| 15:02 | <hsivonen> | I'm not sure whether all this is worth the trouble, though |
| 15:03 | <annevk> | prolly not |
| 15:07 | <hsivonen> | it would be reasonably easy to push the current input buffer state on a stack if the insertion point is never weirder than "before the next input character" |
| 17:53 | <Jero> | I assume this is in the close tag open state? http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=900&to=901 |