| 10:23 | reinis | looks at the html5 working draft and thinks of how nicely it would fit in a mediawiki |
| 10:39 | <hsivonen> | could someone load http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3C%21DOCTYPE%20html%3E%3Ctitle%3E%3C%21--%26amp%3B--%3E%3C/title%3E in IE and say what the value of the text node is? |
| 10:40 | <hsivonen> | (html5lib test cases disagree with the spec again) |
| 10:40 | <hsivonen> | (the test agrees with Gecko and WebKit. the spec agrees with Opera) |
| 10:51 | <hsivonen> | I was told on another channel that IE7 is too weird for the test to work |
| 11:00 | <krijnh> | hsivonen: there isn't a text node |
| 11:00 | <krijnh> | #comment: CTYPE ht |
| 11:04 | <hsivonen> | krijnh: thanks. |
| 11:05 | <krijnh> | I figured you already knew :) |
| 11:06 | <hsivonen> | http://hsivonen.iki.fi/test/entity-in-escaped-title.html is suitable for testing IE. I was told on another channel that IE agrees with Firefox and Safari on what the title string is |
| 11:07 | <krijnh> | Yep |
| 11:07 | <krijnh> | Only Opera shows <!--&--> |
| 11:07 | <krijnh> | IE6 en 7 show <!--&--> |
| 11:07 | <hsivonen> | I reported this as a spec bug |
| 11:08 | <krijnh> | Yeah, we need more mails on the list :)) |
| 11:09 | <hsivonen> | krijnh: hopefully mine was useful :-/ |
| 11:10 | <krijnh> | I'm 423 hopefully useful mails behind |
| 11:16 | <krijnh> | hsivonen: You're working on this fulltime, right? |
| 11:17 | <hsivonen> | krijnh: yes. |
| 12:37 | <hsivonen> | http://www.w3.org/mid/11ff5c20707141026s7bcd4882t19e7c490528c4ca⊙mgc |
| 14:46 | <krijnh> | hsivonen: what accept header does your validator use? |
| 14:47 | <krijnh> | 'IO Error: HTTP resource not retrievable.' |
| 15:14 | <duryodhan> | hey I am a noob to whatwg, am interesting web forms 2.0 and what it has to offer etc. , where should I start reading? (really don't think the actual spec would be a good place) |
| 15:14 | <duryodhan> | The wiki is stunningly lacking of content |
| 15:23 | <krijnh> | duryodhan: http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/improve-your-forms-using-html5/ or something? |
| 15:23 | <krijnh> | And I think the spec is a good place :) |
| 15:23 | <Philip`> | duryodhan: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/html5/html4-differences/Overview.html?content-type=text/html briefly mentions some of the new bits from WF2 |
| 15:25 | <Philip`> | (but only very briefly, so that's probably not very interesting) |
| 15:31 | <zcorpan_> | http://www.seedit.info/ mac editor with (x)html5 support |
| 15:32 | <zcorpan_> | "the Check Server Document Tool now is using a (X)HTML5 conformance online checking tool." |
| 15:32 | zcorpan_ | ponders |
| 15:32 | <zcorpan_> | hsivonen: anything you know about? |
| 15:53 | <duryodhan> | thanks all ( was out for sometime_ |
| 15:56 | <hsivonen> | zcorpan_: no, not something I know about |
| 15:57 | <zcorpan_> | duryodhan: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/#introduction0 |
| 15:58 | <zcorpan_> | hsivonen: seems it can check uploaded documents |
| 15:59 | <hsivonen> | zcorpan_: so the editor uploads the doc somewhere? where does it upload? |
| 16:01 | <zcorpan_> | hsivonen: to your own server. you first upload the document with its ftp client then you can check conformance. i think. |
| 16:01 | <hsivonen> | zcorpan_: ok |
| 16:04 | <hsivonen> | zcorpan_: I guess I should consider this as an indicator that there'd be demand for a Web service interface |
| 16:05 | <zcorpan_> | hsivonen: yep |
| 16:06 | <zcorpan_> | it seems xhtml5 pages are saved with the .html file extension by default. but the save as drop down includes .xhtml |
| 16:09 | <zcorpan_> | or default is extensionless apparently |
| 16:11 | <hsivonen> | anyway, pretty cool that the service is getting usage. thanks for letting me know |
| 16:11 | <duryodhan> | http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/ isn't loading for me :( ... any other place where I could get it (maybe the multisection page) |
| 16:13 | <Philip`> | duryodhan: There isn't a multipage version of the WF2 spec |
| 16:13 | <Philip`> | The normal one seems to load fine for me, though |
| 16:13 | <duryodhan> | damn .. I was wondering why I couldn't find it in google |
| 16:13 | <duryodhan> | whats the actual page name it is index.html or php ? |
| 16:14 | <zcorpan_> | duryodhan: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/html5/web-forms-2/Overview.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8#introduction0 |
| 16:14 | <duryodhan> | http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/index.html is giving me page not found (your site's page not found , not some firefox error couldn't connect etc. ) |
| 16:15 | <duryodhan> | zcorpan_: thanks |
| 16:15 | <zcorpan_> | duryodhan: it's "index" |
| 16:15 | <zcorpan_> | duryodhan: no extension |
| 16:15 | <duryodhan> | yeah that worked for me again thanks zcorpan_ |
| 16:16 | <zcorpan_> | np |
| 16:16 | <duryodhan> | hmm wonder why didn't work for me .. you might wanna check that out ... |
| 16:47 | <duryodhan> | A free-form text field, nominally free of line breaks. whats that supposed to mean? In name only free of line breaks? |
| 16:49 | <zcorpan_> | a text field in which you can't enter line breaks (as opposed to <textarea>, in which you can enter line breaks) |
| 16:55 | <duryodhan> | yeah that I realised ... but why the nominally ... |
| 16:55 | <duryodhan> | "in name only" free of line breaks ... that doesn't make sense much .. |
| 16:56 | <duryodhan> | maybe it is cos the POST data can be sent for a line input with new lines in it ... |
| 17:02 | <Philip`> | <input value="a b"> |
| 17:03 | <Philip`> | might be relevant there |
| 17:04 | <zcorpan_> | i guess nothing is done to actually prevent line breaks |
| 17:04 | <zcorpan_> | except the UAs user interface |
| 17:24 | <hsivonen> | hmm. DOM Level 3 added stuff to the Java interfaces |
| 17:24 | <zcorpan_> | http://simon.html5.org/test/html/dom/reflecting/ 42 tests |
| 17:24 | <hsivonen> | I guess it isn't pretty when you try to load Level 2 impl classes with a JDK that ships Level 3 interfaces... |
| 17:25 | <hsivonen> | I think I'm gonna stick the form pointer into Level 3 user data |
| 17:56 | <BenWard> | ftp://bicyclenail-lm.london.corp.yahoo.com |
| 17:57 | <BenWard> | SOrry |
| 17:57 | <BenWard> | Wrong channel :( |
| 22:08 | <hsivonen> | krijnh: the validator uses various Accept headers depending on what it is retrieving and in what mode |
| 22:10 | <hsivonen> | krijnh: the types that can be in the accept header are application/relax-ng-compact-syntax, text/html; q=0.9, application/xhtml+xml, application/xml, image/svg+xml, application/docbook+xml, text/xml; q=0.3, */*; q=0.1 |
| 22:11 | <hsivonen> | krijnh: they aren't all there all the time. which ones are at what time hopefully happens pretty much as you'd expect |