| 00:36 | <zcorpan> | hsivonen: your html5 schema doesn't seem to allow noscript in head |
| 00:36 | zcorpan | notes that ebay uses <noscript><meta http-equiv=refresh |
| 00:45 | <zcorpan> | hsivonen: http://validator.nu/?doc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.imageshack.us&showsource=yes -- the "Malformed byte sequence" error doesn't mark any source (and the link thus doesn't work) |
| 00:47 | <zcorpan> | hsivonen: also for imageshack: "Error: First occurrence of id mist." (message #6) -- shouldn't that be Info instead of Error? |
| 00:58 | <Philip`> | "Fatal Error: Last error required non-streamable recovery." doesn't sound like a very user-friendly message - I think it'd make more sense if it said something like "Fatal Error: Cannot recover after last error - any further errors will be ignored" |
| 01:11 | <zcorpan> | hsivonen: the first message in http://validator.nu/?doc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wordpress.com&parser=html4tr&showsource=yes seems wrong |
| 01:18 | <zcorpan> | hsivonen: perhaps v.nu should know about html 4.0 doctypes. the xhtml 1.0 schemas are a better match than the html5 schema |
| 08:52 | <jgraham> | bzed: I forgot that chardet got lost when I accidentially deleted my /bin directory and had to reinstall :) |
| 08:55 | <bzed> | :) |
| 08:55 | <bzed> | I think I never run the test with chardet isntalled for 0.9 ;) |
| 08:56 | <bzed> | but now that I've added the tests to the build process it complained about it |
| 09:02 | <Steve_f> | morning all, offtopic - can anybody tell me if events attached using addEventListener() or attachEvent() can be identified in the DOM? |
| 09:04 | <jgraham> | bzed: I think the new version I've uploaded fixed the issues you've reported |
| 09:07 | <jgraham> | s/fixed/fixes/ |
| 09:14 | <bzed> | jgraham: same location? |
| 09:15 | <jgraham> | Yep |
| 09:15 | bzed | checks |
| 09:17 | <bzed> | jgraham: works fine, thanks :) |
| 09:26 | <othermaciej> | Steve_f: not via the DOM API, no |
| 09:40 | <Steve_f> | othermaciej: thanks |
| 11:41 | <hsivonen> | zcorpan: Re: HTML 4.0 (not 4.01): Where should I draw the line with legacy? Validator.nu is a tool for authors. Why should it support a legacy doctype? |
| 11:42 | hsivonen | views source on ln.hixie.ch |
| 11:45 | <hsivonen> | zcorpan: Re: first message on http://validator.nu/?doc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wordpress.com&parser=html4tr&showsource=yes : you chose the HTML 4.01 Transitional parser expectation. the doc had XHTML 1.0 Transitional. Hence, the error. |
| 11:51 | <hsivonen> | zcorpan: what do you suggest I do with the parsing of iframe, title and textarea in the HTML 4.01 mode? |
| 11:52 | <hsivonen> | the idea of the mode was to emit additional errors--not to actually give a different document tree |
| 11:52 | <zcorpan> | hsivonen: yes, i understand that there should be an error, but the message seems wrong. it says that the doctype was an *HTML* doctype, which it wasn't |
| 11:52 | <zcorpan> | hsivonen: oh, nm |
| 11:52 | <zcorpan> | hsivonen: missed the "not" |
| 11:53 | <zcorpan> | hsivonen: perhaps supress the errors about </foo in iframe, since iframes are supposed to allow "markup" in them |
| 11:55 | <hsivonen> | zcorpan: I suppose that on some level that counts as helping authors... |
| 11:55 | <hsivonen> | I thought I had http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20070930#l-150 already covered |
| 11:56 | hsivonen | looks |
| 11:57 | <hsivonen> | zcorpan: what do you suggest re: </ in title and textarea? same as iframe? |
| 11:58 | <zcorpan> | hsivonen: you can whine about </ in title and textarea since they aren't supposed to contain elements and can take entities |
| 11:58 | <zcorpan> | hsivonen: the w3 validator will also whine about <foo> in title and textarea, fwiw |
| 11:58 | <hsivonen> | zcorpan: ok |
| 12:13 | <hsivonen> | turns out I hadn't covered the boolean attributes in HTML4 case when parser is set to auto... only with an explicit parser choice |
| 12:18 | <zcorpan> | ok |
| 12:33 | <hsivonen> | zcorpan: fixes for HTML4 iframe *tokenization* and boolean attributes checked in |
| 12:33 | <hsivonen> | and deployed |
| 12:45 | <hsivonen> | zcorpan: fixed source hilite with http://validator.nu/?doc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.imageshack.us&showsource=yes#cl18c27 |
| 12:46 | <hsivonen> | zcorpan: thank you |
| 12:46 | <hsivonen> | zcorpan: (I can't give you an extract for that one, because the extract subsystem has not received decoded Unicode when the error fires on the byte layer) |
| 12:55 | <zcorpan> | hsivonen: ok, cool |
| 14:51 | <krijnh> | What's considered better? alt="Logo Foo company" or alt="Foo company" ? |
| 14:58 | <zcorpan> | krijnh: assuming the context to be the site logo in the page header, and assuming the image doesn't contain the word "Logo"; the latter |
| 14:58 | <zcorpan> | s/site logo/company logo/ |
| 14:58 | <krijnh> | It's not the logo in the page header |
| 14:58 | <krijnh> | But a list of partner companies for example |
| 14:58 | <zcorpan> | ok, still the latter |
| 14:59 | <zcorpan> | what would you write if you used plain text links? |
| 14:59 | <zcorpan> | (or s/links//) |
| 14:59 | <krijnh> | They aren't links |
| 15:00 | <zcorpan> | what would you write if you used plain text? |
| 15:00 | <krijnh> | Just the company names |
| 15:00 | <zcorpan> | there you go |
| 15:00 | <krijnh> | So you're right :) |
| 15:00 | <zcorpan> | :) |
| 15:04 | <krijnh> | Doh, it's written in the HTML 5 draft |
| 15:04 | <krijnh> | Note to self; rtfm :) |
| 17:16 | <Philip`> | jgraham: I expect html5lib-0.10.zip shouldn't have tests/testdata/tokenizer/consecutice.patch in it |
| 17:37 | <gsnedders> | Philip`: what makes you think that? :P |
| 17:45 | <zcorpan> | hsivonen: v.nu is getting really useful now :) |
| 17:46 | <zcorpan> | hsivonen: good work |
| 17:46 | <hsivonen> | zcorpan: thanks |
| 19:29 | jgraham | wonders why his packaging script isn't removing .patch files |
| 19:41 | <jgraham> | OK, so maybe I just needed to reload. Thanks Philip`. |
| 20:06 | <Philip`> | jgraham: I tend to do it by using 'svn export' to get a clean copy for packaging, because otherwise I worry I'll accidentally leave embarrassing files in the distribution :-) |
| 20:28 | <jgraham> | Philip`: I know I ought to do that but never quite do |