| 00:00 | <jacobolus> | Philip`: ↑ |
| 00:02 | <Philip`> | I don't see any value in keeping it, unless there's some reason that I'm missing |
| 00:02 | <jacobolus> | okay. :) |
| 00:03 | <Philip`> | jacobolus: My font doesn't have that glyph :-p |
| 00:03 | <jacobolus> | the unicode up arrow? :) |
| 00:04 | <jacobolus> | sorry, i'll stick to --^ in the future ;) |
| 00:04 | <Hixie> | right. <video>. |
| 00:04 | <jacobolus> | Hixie: hrm? |
| 00:04 | <Hixie> | jacobolus: my next target in dealing with spec feedback. |
| 00:05 | <jacobolus> | ah, okay. so nothing to do with whether type="text/css" is needed in <link rel="stylesheet" …> then :) |
| 00:05 | <Hixie> | no, sorry, was just talking to myself :-) |
| 00:05 | <jacobolus> | Hixie: how many outstanding emails do you have? :) |
| 00:06 | <Hixie> | not counting the issues on the htmlwg wiki, http://www.whatwg.org/issues/data.csv |
| 00:06 | <Hixie> | (third column) |
| 00:06 | <jacobolus> | ack |
| 00:06 | <jacobolus> | good luck :) |
| 00:06 | <Hixie> | i'm aiming to reach 3500 by dec31, though i'm not sure if i'll shoot past that target or not |
| 00:07 | <Hixie> | i don't know how many i can do per quarter yet |
| 00:07 | <Philip`> | How predictable is the rate of new issues? |
| 00:07 | <Hixie> | still, the trend is downwards currently |
| 00:07 | <Hixie> | Philip`: hard to say |
| 00:08 | <Hixie> | Philip`: but that number is (new issues)-(completed issues) |
| 00:08 | <Hixie> | so right now the rate of replying is > the rate of new issues |
| 00:08 | <Hixie> | on average |
| 00:10 | <Hixie> | hm. i should get an LED display that shows this number and hang it in my cube |
| 00:14 | <jacobolus> | sounds depressing |
| 00:15 | <Hixie> | why? |
| 00:16 | <Hixie> | having this much feedback is awesome |
| 00:16 | <Hixie> | it means people care about the spec |
| 00:16 | <Hixie> | and means the spec stands a chance of being good |
| 00:17 | <Philip`> | You could get a big bucket and fill it with 3723 small items of food, and refill/eat as necessary to keep the number in sync with the number of outstanding issues, to provide a visual indication of progress |
| 00:18 | <Hixie> | mmm |
| 00:18 | <Hixie> | i don't think that would work well with the kind of food i eat |
| 00:21 | <jacobolus> | you need something very small, that never goes bad |
| 00:21 | <Hixie> | peanuts |
| 07:08 | <hsivonen> | jacobolus: IIRC, <meta charset=''> was said to work in IE/Gecko/WebKit/Opera but not in iCab |
| 07:09 | <jacobolus> | hsivonen: okay. fine by me :) |
| 07:09 | <jacobolus> | thanks for the followup :) |
| 09:30 | <Hixie> | i love replying to dozens of messages at once |
| 09:30 | <Hixie> | it goes so much faster |
| 09:30 | <Hixie> | so much easier than when each mail requires major surgery to the spec |
| 09:31 | <Hixie> | ok everyone? Focus on bikeshed issues, not on powerplant issues! |
| 09:31 | <othermaciej> | heh |
| 09:31 | <othermaciej> | I hope you get to the s/cue points/cue ranges/ one soon |
| 09:32 | <othermaciej> | I can provide more justification if the email on that is insufficient |
| 09:32 | <Hixie> | just 15 issues left on video |
| 09:33 | <Hixie> | and that one is #9 |
| 09:33 | <Hixie> | i imagine i'll do it |
| 09:33 | <Hixie> | it seems reasonable |
| 09:33 | <Hixie> | unless i find some problem when speccing it |
| 09:33 | <othermaciej> | always a good caveat |
| 09:34 | <Hixie> | oh actually it's #8 too, dave sent me a headsup first which also ended up in my pile |
| 09:34 | <othermaciej> | heh |
| 09:35 | <Hixie> | the next issue is about the naming of the looping attributes |
| 09:35 | <Hixie> | which is a REALLY INTERESTING issue |
| 09:35 | <othermaciej> | heh |
| 09:35 | Dashiva | gets the shed paint ready |
| 09:35 | <othermaciej> | you did ask for bikeshed issues! |
| 09:35 | <Hixie> | true |
| 09:36 | <annevk> | our engineers wondered what we wasted our time on when I forwarded that |
| 09:37 | <Hixie> | hah |
| 09:37 | <Hixie> | i think i'll change loopcount to playcount and leave the rest as is |
| 10:07 | <Lachy> | Hixie, it seems strange for a media element to keep playing once it's been removed from the document and all references to it have been removed. |
| 10:08 | <Lachy> | especially since in such a case, it's impossible to ever access it again and stop it via script |
| 10:08 | <OmegaJunior> | I agree... would you send the player a stop message? |
| 10:08 | <OmegaJunior> | Or maybe even a kill message, so the player can free its memory as well? |
| 10:09 | <Lachy> | OmegaJunior, how would you access the player if the element is gone? The element provides the API. Without it, there's nothing |
| 10:09 | <OmegaJunior> | onbeforeunload? |
| 10:10 | <OmegaJunior> | there needs to be some kind of mechanism that recognises "oops it's gone" |
| 10:10 | <OmegaJunior> | Otherwise the media will continue to play, and retain memory |
| 10:11 | <Lachy> | I would hope browsers would stop playing it automatically once the user left the page, regardless |
| 10:13 | <OmegaJunior> | If the player is a plug-in or native, closing the page should destroy it and thus stop the playing. But when removing an element, that might not be the case. One can imagine a page-close to be handled far more aggressively in terms of clean-up than an element removal. |
| 11:04 | <Lachy> | I suppose the reason for keeping media elements playing must be because you don't know when the element no longer has any references until garbage collection is performed, and that's unpredictable when that will occur |
| 18:53 | <Hixie> | xhtml2 finally updated their draft to use the xhtml1 namespace http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml2-20071024/conformance.html#s_conform |
| 19:05 | <hsivonen> | Hixie: interesting that they put the namespace URI in schemaLocation as well. |
| 19:13 | <hsivonen> | there are now LEIRIs in addition to URI, IRI and HRRI? |
| 23:23 | <Hixie> | i'm mildly amused at the e-mails to www-html-cg every few weeks where people express surprise that we're not hitting the htmlwg charter's timetable |
| 23:23 | <Hixie> | we're almost exactly on track with my original timetable |
| 23:24 | <Dashiva> | -cg? |
| 23:26 | <Hixie> | coordination group |
| 23:26 | <Hixie> | where wgs send their status e-mails |
| 23:27 | <Dashiva> | aha |
| 23:31 | <Hixie> | oh hey |
| 23:31 | <Hixie> | actually |
| 23:31 | <Hixie> | we're going to miss my first milestone |
| 23:31 | <Hixie> | crap |
| 23:31 | <Hixie> | http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2006Nov/0045.html |
| 23:31 | <Hixie> | i guess i'd better publish a wd |
| 23:32 | <Dashiva> | Unilateral action? I smell a formal objection :P |
| 23:33 | <Hixie> | oh not through the w3c |
| 23:33 | <Hixie> | that'd take weeks |
| 23:33 | <Hixie> | we have 5 days before we miss the deadline |
| 23:33 | <Hixie> | just on the whatwg site |
| 23:34 | <Dashiva> | That sounds more feasible |
| 23:35 | <gsnedders> | Hixie: :D |
| 23:35 | <gsnedders> | Hixie: though isn't that a charter for the W3C HTML WG? |
| 23:36 | <Hixie> | it's what i proposed as the timetable for the html5 work |
| 23:37 | <gsnedders> | Hixie: can I raise a formal objection about the draft, though? |
| 23:37 | <hsivonen> | Hixie: seems to me that there's demand for an unofficial, open-source, ad hoc test suite already before 2011 |
| 23:38 | <gsnedders> | Hixie: one minor irrelevant issue that is noted in the draft hasn't been fixed |
| 23:38 | <Hixie> | gsnedders: sure, but it won't make any difference to the whatwg, we don't have a formal objection process :-) |
| 23:39 | <Hixie> | hsivonen: hey if you want to do it quicker, be my guest :-D |
| 23:39 | <Dashiva> | The fo would be in the w3c, though, for willfully going outside standard procedure :P |
| 23:39 | <Hixie> | publishing drafts on the whatwg site is standard procedure for the whatwg :-D |
| 23:40 | <Hixie> | not my fault the w3c missed their self-set deadlines by months |
| 23:40 | <Dashiva> | The memo said doing anything outside the w3c was high treason |
| 23:40 | <Hixie> | oh i know i'm a traitor |
| 23:41 | <gsnedders> | Hixie: want the same punishment as some medieval traitors? |
| 23:41 | <gsnedders> | wait… we'll need a new editor then. damn. |
| 23:42 | <Dashiva> | I'm sure Google has an ample supply of clones |
| 23:42 | <gsnedders> | Dashiva: but in which datacentre? |
| 23:42 | <Hixie> | Dashiva: i wish |
| 23:43 | <gsnedders> | Dashiva: and why don't they make use of them? |
| 23:43 | <gsnedders> | Dashiva: we could have HTML 5 as a REC by the W3C timetable |
| 23:43 | <Dashiva> | They don't want to tip their hand, I suppose |
| 23:52 | gsnedders | can't believe he's actually become a loser on bebo |