| 00:21 | <Hixie> | is dave singer here, or anyone who has any opinion on the cue range idea? |
| 00:24 | <Hixie> | i have two problems |
| 00:24 | <Hixie> | i don't know how to port the "autopause at time" idea over to ranges |
| 00:24 | <Hixie> | and i don't know how to support the removal of ranges |
| 00:25 | <Hixie> | for the latter, i see four options: |
| 00:25 | <Hixie> | 1. require all four arguments to be passed again |
| 00:25 | <Hixie> | 2. return a handle when you add, and require the handle to remove |
| 00:25 | <Hixie> | 3. just have something that removes all ranges between two points on the timeline |
| 00:26 | <Dashiva> | If there's a iterator for all existing handles, 2. could be good |
| 00:26 | <Hixie> | 4. pass some identifier to the add method, and use that identifier (a "class name" for one or more ranges) to remove all ranges with that identifier |
| 00:26 | <Hixie> | adding an iterator seems harder than desired |
| 00:27 | <Hixie> | oh hey i know how to do the pausing thing. just pause at the start and end of a range |
| 00:27 | <Hixie> | when exiting |
| 00:28 | <Hixie> | 5. not have a way to remove handlers. |
| 00:28 | <Hixie> | 6. only have a way to remove all ranges |
| 00:29 | <Dashiva> | Well, I reckon the UA will need an internal list of handles anyhow. Exposing a .length and .item isn't that much more, is it? |
| 00:30 | <Hixie> | it's more than that |
| 00:30 | <Hixie> | you'd need to expose an object for each one, etc |
| 00:33 | <Hixie> | when would you remove cue ranges |
| 00:33 | <Hixie> | when changing media |
| 00:33 | <Hixie> | when switching in new subtitles |
| 00:33 | <Hixie> | anything else? |
| 00:35 | <Hixie> | i think i'm gonna go with 4. |
| 00:35 | <Hixie> | addCueRange() is gonna have a class name you can pass it |
| 00:35 | <Hixie> | and then you'll be able to remove all ranges with that class name |
| 00:35 | <Hixie> | that way you can add one set of ranges for ads, one for subtitles, one for lyrics, etc |
| 00:35 | <Hixie> | and switch them dynamically by just nuking the set you don't want |
| 00:50 | <jruderman> | Hixie: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=401217 |
| 00:52 | <Hixie> | yeah |
| 00:52 | <Hixie> | he raised the issue in public-html as well |
| 00:52 | <Hixie> | as far as i can tell he's wrong about the POST issue |
| 00:52 | <Hixie> | turning the feature off would be a net loss for users, since it'll just mean authors continue using the tricks they use now, with the associated problems they have (which ping solves) |
| 00:55 | <Hixie> | commented |
| 00:58 | <jruderman> | thanks |
| 01:42 | <Hixie> | hahaha! |
| 01:42 | <Hixie> | i did it! |
| 01:42 | <Hixie> | there are NO outstanding comments on sql, offline, or video! (not counting the codec issue) |
| 01:42 | <Hixie> | sweet |
| 02:05 | <Hixie> | ok, we have a call for comments out: |
| 02:05 | <Hixie> | http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/2007-10-26/ |
| 02:06 | <Hixie> | someone should feel free to write a whatwg blog entry about it if they feel up to it and care enough :-) |
| 18:00 | <zcorpan> | Hixie: shouldn't the frozen copy have used <body class=cfc>? :) |
| 18:08 | <zcorpan> | what's up with the orange background on normative text in the xhtml2 wg's specs? |
| 18:08 | <zcorpan> | it makes it really annoying to read |
| 18:10 | <zcorpan> | i also like "this example is informative", which makes one go "hmm, are there examples that are normative?" |
| 18:20 | <gsnedders> | More exam board fun: "<html>: Tag contains the entire document identifies the page as valid HTML" |
| 18:21 | gsnedders | is almost glad he doesn't have to do that optional section, and can do another instead which is slightly less wrong |
| 18:23 | <gsnedders> | actually, not very much stuff that is wrong is taught in the multimedia section! yay! |
| 18:51 | <zcorpan> | Hixie: done. http://blog.whatwg.org/html5-snapshot |
| 19:34 | <jacobolus> | Hixie: what is the standard for things going on the whatwg blog. If I write an article about event-source and server-sent-events, and the limits of opera's current implementation of them, would it be relevant to put a link to that from the whatwg blog? |
| 19:38 | <zcorpan> | jacobolus: i think you can write pretty much anything you like on the whatwg blog, but put the article on the whatwg blog (some articles have been cross-posted before), don't just put a link there. it's not a link blog :) |
| 19:39 | <jacobolus> | ah, okay :) |
| 19:39 | <jacobolus> | zcorpan: I certainly wouldn't *just* put a link :) |
| 19:39 | <zcorpan> | i think you may have to ask Lachy for publishing your first post |
| 19:39 | <jacobolus> | i mean, even it it was mostly a link, it would have 2-3 paragraphs of explanation. but cross-posting might be fine :) |
| 19:40 | <zcorpan> | ok |
| 19:41 | <zcorpan> | that might be fine too, btw, i just stated my understanding :) |
| 20:55 | <zcorpan> | http://forums.whatwg.org/viewtopic.php?t=31#452 |