| 00:00 | <gsnedders> | g'nite y'all |
| 00:07 | <Hixie> | Philip`: yeah |
| 00:09 | <Dashiva> | Isn't there a three-month view? |
| 00:09 | <Hixie> | depends on the list |
| 00:12 | <gavin> | depends on the number of messages per month, I thought |
| 00:12 | <gavin> | i.e. I thought it was automatic based on number of messages, instead of configured manually |
| 00:12 | <Hixie> | no |
| 00:12 | <Hixie> | manual |
| 00:12 | <gavin> | ah, ok |
| 00:13 | <Hixie> | gotta go again |
| 00:37 | <othermaciej> | hey, I got reddit karma points for defending html5: http://programming.reddit.com/info/61vbd/comments/ |
| 00:37 | <othermaciej> | (the thread was going much the other way before my post) |
| 00:45 | <Dashiva> | "I say let Adobe's Air & Google's Gears work out the kinks, then maybe a few years down the road (once the issues with the core languages are settled) go about implementing them." |
| 00:47 | <Dashiva> | Although this one was more convincing: "html5 is a joke anyways and will never be adopted or supported and if it is I will get an ak 47 and find a rooftop" |
| 00:47 | <othermaciej> | heh |
| 00:47 | <Philip`> | Don't AK-47s work just as effectively at ground level? |
| 00:47 | <Dashiva> | Why are people so unpatriotic? Can't they use proper western firearms? |
| 00:51 | <jwalden> | the day of the tommy gun has passed |
| 00:52 | <bradee-oh> | http://www.ak-47.us/USmade.php <--- AK-47 varieties made in the United States |
| 00:58 | <othermaciej> | US military issue firearms are generally much harder to maintain than the AK-47 |
| 00:58 | <othermaciej> | which is why they are not used as much by guerilla armies and criminal gangs and the like |
| 01:00 | <Philip`> | The US military should develop a really bad gun, then make it easy to obtain and put a huge PR campaign behind it, so the guerilla armies and criminal gangs think it's excellent and buy lots of it |
| 01:01 | <Dashiva> | Make a gun that calls the police when you fire it! |
| 01:05 | <Philip`> | Dashiva: The problem with that plan is that it would have to have something like a mobile phone embedded in the gun, and prolonged use might lead to excess levels of radiation, which would be a health hazard |
| 01:07 | <Dashiva> | It's three mile island all over again |
| 05:58 | <Hixie> | that's odd |
| 05:58 | <Hixie> | i posted a huge comment to sam ruby's blog the other day |
| 05:58 | <Hixie> | and it hasn't appeared |
| 07:23 | <othermaciej> | mine appeared |
| 07:30 | <othermaciej> | I just posted a slightly mean reply on his blog |
| 07:52 | <Hixie> | another? |
| 08:03 | <othermaciej> | I didn't think the first one was that mean |
| 08:08 | <Hixie> | indeed, hence my question |
| 08:10 | <othermaciej> | so, yes, another reply |
| 15:27 | <hendry> | hsivonen_: don't understand this transparent error http://validator.nu/?doc=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.natalian.org%2Ftest%2Fhtml5-media-mp3.html |
| 15:28 | <Dashiva> | transparent? |
| 15:28 | anne-mac | gets that <audio> can't occur in <body> |
| 15:33 | <hendry> | anne-mac: really? not <body>? even with controls? |
| 15:34 | <hendry> | same goes for video I expect http://validator.nu/?doc=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.natalian.org%2Ftest%2Fhtml5-media-ogg.html |
| 15:35 | <anne-mac> | yes |
| 15:36 | <anne-mac> | needs to be inside a paragraph like element, such as <p> or <figure> |
| 15:38 | <hendry> | anne-mac: ok, fine |
| 15:38 | <hendry> | though http://validator.nu/?doc=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.natalian.org%2Ftest%2Fhtml5-media-ogg.html |
| 15:38 | <hendry> | seems to expect children on the video element |
| 15:40 | <hendry> | i don't understnad this 'transparent' business |
| 15:42 | <Dashiva> | Looks like fallback |
| 15:43 | <Dashiva> | Basically says "If you replace the element with its transparent children" which is essentially what is supposed to happen with fallback, as I understand it |
| 15:43 | <hsivonen_> | hendry: transparent means that the content model is block if the parent's content model was block. et. |
| 15:43 | <hsivonen_> | etc. |
| 15:43 | <hendry> | so it want's me to put something in there, like "You failed to playback the media" |
| 15:44 | <hsivonen_> | hendry: also, IIRC, there's a spec bug near here and I've implemented the spec pedentically with the bug |
| 15:44 | <hsivonen_> | hendry: the bug is that if the parent is figure, the transparent content model sucks and you have to put an <img> there |
| 15:45 | <Dashiva> | "When a transparent or semi-transparent element has no parent" <-- How does that work, unless documentElement is transparent? |
| 15:45 | <hsivonen_> | Dashiva: document fragments I guess |
| 15:46 | <hsivonen_> | hendry: hmm. interesting. I don't know why you are getting the error you are getting |
| 15:47 | <Dashiva> | Maybe you need a container (div,p) inside it to hold the (non-existent) content |
| 15:48 | <hendry> | oh gosh. i hope this block, inline stuff becomes a whole lot easier |
| 15:48 | Philip` | too :-) |
| 15:49 | <hsivonen_> | hendry: there's a chance you are seeing a validator bug. I'm not sure. I checked the schema and it isn't obvious to me why you get the error you are getting |
| 15:49 | <hsivonen_> | oohh! |
| 15:49 | <hsivonen_> | I have a bug! |
| 15:51 | <hsivonen_> | hendry: I'm fixing it now |
| 15:52 | <Dashiva> | Now that's customer service |
| 15:52 | <hendry> | hsivonen_: :) |
| 15:56 | <hsivonen> | and I should remove significant inline checks as well... |
| 16:01 | <hsivonen> | hendry: fixed |
| 16:01 | <hsivonen> | hendry: I'll remove the significant inline thing in due course |
| 16:12 | <hsivonen> | hendry: now fixed |
| 16:12 | <hsivonen> | hendry: thanks for finding this |
| 16:21 | <hendry> | hsivonen: thanks for the fix :) |
| 17:48 | <gsnedders> | Hixie: I'm wondering whether to integrate Content-Type sniffing into my spec, as it really does have an effect on what is effectively in Content-Type |
| 17:49 | <gsnedders> | Hixie: you got any thoughts on whether it should or should not be there? |
| 22:24 | <hendry> | i've written a web app using WF2, http://letter2.dabase.com/ |