| 00:53 | <Dashiva> | Love that mail, "how about expanding it to the full thing like the HTML 4.01 DOCTYPE?" |
| 00:53 | <Dashiva> | No reason given, just let's make it longer |
| 01:09 | <jruderman> | http://www.webdevout.net/david-hammond/works/we-didnt-write-the-browsers |
| 01:11 | <Dashiva> | The revolution will not be namespaced |
| 02:07 | <Hixie> | Lachy: hey, i used to sleep in the room opposite yours |
| 02:42 | <MikeSmith> | Hixie - /me wonders where Lachy is staying. Alan's current place? |
| 02:44 | <Hixie> | no |
| 02:44 | <Hixie> | though i lived there too |
| 02:44 | <Hixie> | see his blog for link to pictures on flickr |
| 02:44 | <Hixie> | anywya gotta go |
| 02:44 | <MikeSmith> | see yah |
| 06:44 | <Hixie> | i hate how when you define a function inside a function of an object the 'this' of the inner function isn't the same as the outer function's |
| 06:47 | <othermaciej> | ES4 fixes that |
| 06:47 | <Hixie> | really? |
| 06:47 | <Hixie> | without breaking existing scripts? |
| 06:47 | <Hixie> | how? |
| 06:47 | <othermaciej> | but the canonical way to deal is to do this in the outer function: |
| 06:47 | <othermaciej> | var self = this; |
| 06:47 | <othermaciej> | and then use self in the nested func |
| 06:47 | <Hixie> | yeah |
| 06:47 | <othermaciej> | I don't know if it's without breaking existing scripts |
| 06:48 | <Hixie> | (i tend to do var func = function (self) { return function (real args) { ... self ... }; }(this); so as to not polute the outer scope with a 'self') |
| 06:48 | <Hixie> | (also known as currying) |
| 08:39 | <othermaciej> | sure, also an acceptable way to do things |
| 08:39 | <othermaciej> | although if the outer scope is a function scope that's captured by the continuation it's not much cleaner and may make things a tiny bit slower depending on implementation details |
| 08:40 | <Hixie> | yeah |
| 11:47 | <Lachy> | I don't understand Doug's response about Ogg Theora and Dirac not being *necessarily* patent free. |
| 11:47 | <Lachy> | We know they have patents, so it doesn't make sense |
| 11:53 | <Philip`> | Is Dirac affected by known patents? |
| 11:54 | <Philip`> | I know Theora has the ones released by On2, but haven't heard of Dirac relying on royalty-free patents |
| 11:55 | <Philip`> | Oh, apparently the BBC has some patents on Dirac |
| 12:23 | <Ben`> | will HTML 5 really include SQL execution? |
| 12:24 | <Philip`> | That is the current plan |
| 12:24 | <Ben`> | ok, thanks |
| 12:25 | <Philip`> | (like http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/section-sql.html#sql etc) |
| 12:34 | <othermaciej> | Lachy: yes, Doug seemed confused |
| 12:34 | <othermaciej> | Ben`: it will include local database storage with SQL-based access |
| 12:34 | <othermaciej> | or rather, a DOM API for it that embedded scripts can use |
| 12:35 | <othermaciej> | I'm saying it more precisely because "SQL execution in HTML" sounds like a scary security hole when phrased that way |
| 12:35 | <othermaciej> | but it's really the same kind of script-based local storage feature provided by extensions like Google Gears or Adobe Flash |
| 12:36 | <othermaciej> | Ben`: also, if you want to play around with it, WebKit has an experimental implementation: http://webkit.org/blog/126/webkit-does-html5-client-side-database-storage/ |
| 15:33 | <gsnedders> | Hixie: ping |
| 15:41 | <Hixie> | gsnedders: pong, but i'm going offline in about 30 seconds |
| 15:41 | <gsnedders> | Hixie: then I'll ping you later |
| 15:41 | <gsnedders> | :) |
| 15:42 | <Hixie> | k :-) |
| 15:42 | <Hixie> | ttyl |
| 15:42 | <gsnedders> | (or just pong me) |
| 19:57 | <gavin> | what's the URI for hixie's list of issues he needs to address that was posted to public-html a while ago? |
| 19:59 | <aroben> | gavin: http://www.whatwg.org/issues/ |
| 19:59 | <gavin> | thanks |
| 20:01 | <gavin> | hmm, when I try to register, I get "E-mail is not valid or does not correspond to a user who has sent feedback that has not yet been dealt with." |
| 20:02 | <gavin> | but my email is valid, and I have sent some feedback that hasn't been addressed |
| 20:02 | <gavin> | I wonder if my message somehow got lost, or was deemed to be something that doesn't need to be dealt with |
| 20:03 | <gavin> | (lost by whatever mechanism is used to track feedback, I mean - it's in the list archives) |
| 20:04 | <Philip`> | gavin: You could see if your message is in the issues list |
| 20:04 | <anne-mac> | was it a message to whatwg⊙wo or public-html⊙wo ? |
| 20:04 | <gavin> | it doesn't appear to be |
| 20:04 | <Philip`> | and if it is, the corresponding email address should work |
| 20:04 | <gavin> | whatwg@ |
| 20:05 | <anne-mac> | and you're using the same address? :) |
| 20:05 | <gavin> | http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/whatwg-whatwg.org/2007-September/012459.html |
| 20:05 | <gavin> | yes |
| 20:06 | <anne-mac> | hmm, we need that in the IE-way for <canvas> to work properly... |
| 20:06 | anne-mac | likes the irony here |
| 20:07 | <virtuelv> | anne-mac: since when did you use a mac? |
| 20:07 | <anne-mac> | i bought one a week ago to fool around |
| 20:08 | <virtuelv> | I have stuff to teach you ... over a beer next week |
| 20:08 | <Philip`> | anne-mac: or we need to not define canvas features in terms of img.complete |
| 20:09 | <anne-mac> | sure, but the IE behavior makes sense, imo |
| 20:09 | <Philip`> | Has someone investigated what happens to .complete when you modify .src? |
| 20:10 | <gavin> | I haven't |
| 20:10 | <gavin> | I believe Mozilla's implementation will accureately reflect the current state of the image at all times |
| 20:10 | <gavin> | (modulo the behavior I describe in my post) |
| 20:13 | <Philip`> | gavin: Hmm, that message is definitely not in the issues list |
| 20:13 | <Philip`> | You should poke Hixie about it :-) |
| 20:14 | <Philip`> | (I've had at least one fall into his spam filter) |
| 20:14 | <anne-mac> | I had several of those |
| 20:14 | <anne-mac> | that we somehow discovered quick enough, not sure if there are more |
| 20:15 | <anne-mac> | then again, not sure how much I care about some of those two year old comments |
| 20:16 | gsnedders | probably should've asked Hixie when he intended to be back |
| 22:47 | <gsnedders> | Hixie: back yet? |
| 23:26 | Philip` | wonders who set up http://hixietracker.blogspot.com/ |
| 23:26 | <gsnedders> | me! choose me! |
| 23:27 | <Philip`> | (They ought to fix the non-escaping of the title "Re: [whatwg] <BIG> Element" since it makes the rest of the page big) |
| 23:27 | <gsnedders> | Philip`: isn't Hixie awesome enough to deserve that, though? |
| 23:27 | <Hixie> | gavin: your e-mail is one of a small number of e-mails that i received during a small window of time where dreamhost was down and the e-mail is only in my gmail inbox, not my imap box |
| 23:28 | <Lachy> | Philip`, IIRC, I think the hixietracker was set up by Mark Pilgrim |
| 23:28 | <Lachy> | it was mentioned in one of these IRC channels a few months ago |
| 23:28 | gsnedders | waits to be quoted out of context and claimed that he goes along with anything that Hixie says |
| 23:28 | <gavin> | Hixie: ah |
| 23:28 | <gsnedders> | Hixie: I guess your back then? |
| 23:28 | <Hixie> | gsnedders: heya |
| 23:29 | <Hixie> | gsnedders: sure, for a few minutes :-) |
| 23:29 | <gavin> | Hixie: should I resend it or something? |
| 23:29 | <Hixie> | gavin: if you want to vote on it and if you don't mind resending, sure |
| 23:29 | <Hixie> | but i won't lose it if you don't |
| 23:30 | <Hixie> | (lose the e-mail that is) |
| 23:30 | <Hixie> | (some might say i've already "lost it") |
| 23:30 | <gavin> | ok, that's all I care about :) |
| 23:30 | <Philip`> | Lachy: Okay - I don't remember that at all, and can't find any search results, and it looks like Hixie added the link to it on the wiki |
| 23:30 | <gsnedders> | Hixie: not as badly as me |
| 23:30 | gsnedders | points Hixie at PM |
| 23:31 | <Philip`> | It reminds me of the Santa Tracker except without the presents |
| 23:31 | <Lachy> | the discussion occurred around the time the link was added to the wiki, but I couldn't find it in the logs either. Maybe Krijn was offline at the time |
| 23:32 | <gsnedders> | Philip`: Santa is real kthxbai |
| 23:33 | <Philip`> | Lachy: I guess I was offline too since it's not in my logs either :-( |
| 23:34 | <gavin> | I can't find it in my logs of this channel |
| 23:35 | <gavin> | but I think I only have logs here since december 2006 |
| 23:35 | <Lachy> | strangley, not in mine either, AFAICT |
| 23:35 | <Lachy> | though I don't have a complete set of logs |
| 23:35 | <Philip`> | The wiki change was Sep 25, which sounds recent until I realise the year has passed far quicker than I expected |
| 23:36 | <Philip`> | Maybe it was a different channel somewhere? |
| 23:36 | <gsnedders> | wait… it's Dec? |
| 23:36 | <Lachy> | I'm sure it was either #whatwg or #html-wg |
| 23:36 | <gsnedders> | that's maddening. |
| 23:37 | gsnedders | realises what that means: mocks next month! |
| 23:37 | <Lachy> | yes, gsnedders, December usually begins on December 1st every year |
| 23:38 | <gsnedders> | oh. I thought it started on December 31st. |
| 23:38 | <Philip`> | I think your calendar must be upside down |
| 23:39 | <gsnedders> | Ah. Maybe I should get it out the drawer its in? |
| 23:39 | <Philip`> | You might also want to check that your clocks are turning clockwise, to rule out the possibility of a time reversal |
| 23:40 | <gsnedders> | My sister had a clock that went the wrong way once. I missed the start of school because of it once. |
| 23:41 | <Hixie> | wow |
| 23:41 | <Hixie> | w3c actually censored me |
| 23:41 | <Lachy> | what? |
| 23:41 | <Hixie> | well that's a first |
| 23:41 | <Lachy> | where? |
| 23:42 | <Hixie> | http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2007Nov/0104.html |
| 23:42 | <Hixie> | dean complained that i replied to his private message by cc'ing the archives |
| 23:42 | <Hixie> | and w3c removed my message from the archives |
| 23:43 | <Lachy> | woah! Luckily, i still have a copy in my personal archive :-) |
| 23:43 | <gavin> | I noticed that earlier |
| 23:43 | <gavin> | I wish I'd kept a copy :) |
| 23:44 | <Philip`> | Lachy: www-archive is meant to be a "Mail-to-web gateway", so subscribing to the list and using it for mail-to-mail is cheating :-p |
| 23:46 | <MikeSmith> | Hixie - fwiw, I wasn't aware that message had been removed. They were supposed to get your OK to remove it. |
| 23:47 | <MikeSmith> | "The need for editing or excising material contained in an archived message is addressed only when the sender of the archived message requests it. Carefully documented exceptions may be considered." |
| 23:47 | <MikeSmith> | http://www.w3.org/Mail/ArchiveEditingPolicy |
| 23:48 | <Lachy> | Philip`, I subscribed to it since I noticed there was a lot of interesting off-list discussion going on there |
| 23:48 | <gavin> | I suppose you could argue that Dean was the sender of a message that was archived |
| 23:49 | <gavin> | (indirectly through hixie's reply) |
| 23:50 | <MikeSmith> | gavin - yeah, I suppose |
| 23:50 | <Hixie> | well it's now archived at http://damowmow.com/playground/archives/reply-to-dean-edridge.html |
| 23:51 | <Lachy> | LOL! I was just about to suggest that you archive it elsewhere |
| 23:56 | <gsnedders> | so, us follows of Hixie… |
| 23:56 | <gsnedders> | *followers |
| 23:56 | <Philip`> | Hixie: It's a shame that the change in month breaks the W3C mail archive's reply-linking feature |