| 00:02 | <Hixie> | i'm tired of physhers telling me my google adwords account has been locked |
| 00:02 | <Hixie> | hello, i work for google, morons |
| 00:02 | <jcranmer> | if they were smart, they wouldn't be phishing |
| 00:02 | <jcranmer> | after all, it's against several laws |
| 00:03 | <Philip`> | jcranmer: I don't see why it's non-smart to break laws, if the benefit is great enough to outweigh the risks |
| 00:03 | <Philip`> | It would be irrational to *not* break the law in those situations |
| 00:03 | <jcranmer> | also, most of them have problems with basic grammar |
| 00:03 | <jcranmer> | Philip`: if you're perfectly rational, you're closer to a chimp than to a human |
| 00:05 | <Philip`> | jcranmer: That seems untrue, since chimps aren't very good at collecting and analysing data in order to make informed decisions |
| 00:05 | <jcranmer> | I also recall reading a particular French phishing scam that sounded quite Franglais to my French teacher |
| 00:05 | <jcranmer> | Philip`: I'd have to find the article |
| 00:06 | <Philip`> | jcranmer: You're not allowed to introduce facts into the argument - that would just be unfair |
| 00:07 | <jcranmer> | :-) |
| 00:07 | <jcranmer> | well, who said life was fair? |
| 00:38 | <Hixie> | hsivonen: see the "also searched for" on http://trends.google.com/websites?q=w3.org&geo=all&date=all |
| 00:45 | <Philip`> | http://trends.google.com/websites?q=whatwg.org - why did it die in February? |
| 00:48 | jcranmer | blames himself for half the xpath searches |
| 00:49 | <jcranmer> | Philip`: "No Data Available" |
| 00:51 | <Philip`> | jcranmer: It doesn't say that in the "all years" mode - it just shows something that looks suspiciously like the ears of a cat peeking over a wall, and misleads the viewer into thinking nobody visited whatwg.org at all :-( |
| 00:55 | <jcranmer> | maybe it's supposed to salute Hixie? |
| 00:55 | <jcranmer> | I zoomed into the last 30 days, though |
| 01:26 | <Hixie> | i expect people don't search for whatwg very much |
| 01:30 | <jcranmer> | I still like the idea of deliberately munging the results to vaguely resemble cat's ears |
| 01:39 | <Hixie> | wtf. |iframe.src = "foo"| means something different in safari depending on the encoding of the document that contains the iframe |
| 01:40 | <Hixie> | regardless of the encoding of the JS file or the document that actually does the setting |
| 01:50 | <Hixie> | s/in safari// |
| 01:52 | <Hixie> | guess i'll have to do it all over again with a different URI thing. <a href target> or something. |
| 02:27 | <mcarter> | good evening |
| 09:52 | <zcorpan_> | Hixie: i've started work on dom5 core |
| 09:52 | <zcorpan_> | Hixie: but so far i'm mostly collecting what needs to be done |
| 09:52 | <zcorpan_> | some notes saved in http://del.icio.us/zcorpan/dom5core |
| 09:52 | <zcorpan_> | i wonder if i can drop cdata sections |
| 10:02 | <deane> | zcorpan_: I like Lachy's direct approach: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/xhtml/20070413#l-196 |
| 10:06 | <Lachy> | zcorpan_, do any browsers support cdata nodes? If not, then I would definitely recommend dropping it |
| 10:13 | <zcorpan_> | Lachy: they do |
| 10:13 | <roc> | you mean [[CDATA syntax? |
| 10:13 | <zcorpan_> | roc: no, CDATASection nodes |
| 10:14 | <roc> | oh yeah |
| 10:14 | <roc> | we support that |
| 10:15 | <zcorpan_> | opera does too |
| 10:17 | <Lachy> | that's unfortunate. Representing syntactic sugar like CDATA sections in the DOM is just silly. |
| 10:17 | <zcorpan_> | a lot of things in the DOM are silly |
| 10:18 | <Lachy> | though, I wonder if anyone actually depends on them. |
| 10:18 | <zcorpan_> | i hope not :) |
| 10:18 | <Lachy> | it could be hard to know, since the DOM is used by more than just browsers. |
| 10:18 | <Lachy> | PHP supports it |
| 10:18 | <zcorpan_> | well i care less about php |
| 10:21 | <Lachy> | yeah, but we can't ignore them entirely. Although we can optimise the spec for browsers. |
| 10:28 | <annevk> | we can ignore them |
| 10:28 | <annevk> | I think |
| 14:32 | <Philip`> | Why do browsers find it so hard to blend one image on top of another, without completely messing everything up? :-( |
| 14:33 | Philip` | discovered that WebKit is totally broken when doing drawImage(canvas, ...), and Opera 9.5 is totally broken for drawImage(canvas|image, ...) on Windows though it works perfectly fine on Linux |
| 16:03 | <Dashiva> | Philip`: It could just be lack of people yelling at them for it :) |
| 19:10 | <Dashiva> | "There are some very important issues here that should at be aired to the entire WG if they cannot be resolved here." |
| 19:10 | <Dashiva> | If they're very important, shouldn't they be aired to the entire WG to begin with? |
| 23:36 | Philip` | notes that commit-watchers⊙wo would be much easier to use if it put the commit message in the email subject line |
| 23:36 | <Hixie> | send mail asking for it |
| 23:36 | <Hixie> | i make no promises |
| 23:39 | <jcranmer> | Philip`: you think so too? |
| 23:39 | <MikeSmith> | Philip`: fwiw, messages to public-html-diffs⊙wo do have a truncated version of commit message in the subject line |
| 23:39 | <MikeSmith> | http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2008Jun/ |
| 23:40 | <Dashiva> | It's somewhat amusing that Bjoern suggests catering to stone-age mail clients on a list dedicated to creating the future :) |
| 23:40 | <MikeSmith> | the body of the message links back to the whatwg HTML5 webapps-tracker |
| 23:40 | <MikeSmith> | as well as to other things |
| 23:44 | <Philip`> | MikeSmith: Ah, that's close to what I'm wanting |
| 23:44 | <Philip`> | But I can't trust anything that's not hosted on whatwg.org ;-) |
| 23:47 | MikeSmith | worries that Philip has seen right through his mind-control experiment |
| 23:48 | <MikeSmith> | man, this really has got to be the quote of the day] |
| 23:48 | <MikeSmith> | "With the exception of the cross-burning episode. ... I believe John Freshwater is teaching the values of the parents in the Mount Vernon school district." |
| 23:48 | <MikeSmith> | http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g1SluWTuZ9ddhhJI06SSqutTwstgD91E38D00 |
| 23:49 | <Philip`> | I could argue that I want to use commit-watchers instead of public-html-diffs because I want to minimise the number of clicks needed to see the diff |
| 23:49 | <Philip`> | so it's better when the diff is directly in the email |
| 23:51 | <jgraham> | MikeSmith: Although from the same article... "he was certified only in science, the report said"... nice to know he was sane except in matters of science :) |
| 23:51 | <jgraham> | Oh and Philip`'s suggestion sounds very useful |
| 23:55 | <Dashiva> | Maybe it was a chemistry experiment |
| 23:58 | <Philip`> | Oops, I misread the "Giant reorg to move things ..." commit message as "Giant robot to ..." |
| 23:59 | <Philip`> | I do hope science fiction's predictions of giant robots will come true, because they'd be awesome |