| 00:14 | <mcarter> | Philip`, it seems unlikely that they'll look like robots |
| 00:31 | <Philip`> | mcarter: Why? |
| 00:31 | <Philip`> | The successful ones will be those that are marketed well, and awesome-looking giant robots are much easier to sell than boring metal boxes |
| 00:32 | <mcarter> | Philip`, well, we sort of already have giant robots... modern jet airplanes for instance |
| 00:32 | <mcarter> | what would you do with a gigantic metal humanoid? |
| 00:33 | <Philip`> | I would crush my opponents |
| 00:33 | <mcarter> | my opponents are all on the internet |
| 00:33 | <Philip`> | Also it would make a nice garden decoration |
| 00:33 | <mcarter> | i wouldn't know where to find them to crush them |
| 00:33 | <Philip`> | mcarter: You could ask them |
| 00:33 | <mcarter> | i giant botnet would far cooler |
| 00:33 | <MikeSmith> | Philip`, jgraham : http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2008Jun/0162.html |
| 00:34 | <Philip`> | or just look them up on Facebook to find their home address |
| 00:34 | <MikeSmith> | +1 to giant robots |
| 00:35 | <mcarter> | Philip`, i guess you were a big fan of that transformers movie then |
| 00:35 | <Philip`> | MikeSmith: Hmm, you are doing a good job at tempting me to switch my diff provider :-( |
| 00:36 | <Philip`> | mcarter: Actually I've never seen it (except for trailers) |
| 00:36 | <mcarter> | i thought it was pretty stupid, but it did have huge robots. |
| 00:37 | <Philip`> | I tend not to watch any movie unless I see it for £5 while I happen to be walking through a DVD store |
| 00:37 | <Philip`> | (Sometimes I stretch to £5.99) |
| 00:38 | <MikeSmith> | I find trying to read through non-syntax highlighted diffs it plain-text e-mail to be not so great a way of reviewing them |
| 00:38 | <MikeSmith> | but I will admit that's the main way I initially read most diffs myself |
| 00:39 | <MikeSmith> | I guess it's good enough for doing a first-pass look-through to see if you care to go look at in more detail |
| 01:34 | <glynch> | Have you guys any potential video codecs you are currently considering for HTML5? |
| 01:38 | <glynch> | Also, pertaining to the <canvas> element, has Apple made any sort of public statement or indication that they will not assert intellectual property rights over the element? |
| 01:42 | <Lachy> | glynch, re canvas patents, Apple has agreed to the W3C's patent policy on that issue already. |
| 01:44 | <glynch> | Lachy: Cool. Has Microsoft indicated whether it will implement <canvas> that you know of? |
| 01:44 | <takkaria> | not afaik, no |
| 01:44 | <glynch> | :( |
| 01:44 | <Philip`> | glynch: They've indicated they won't implement it for IE8, but haven't said anything else |
| 01:45 | <glynch> | Philip`: ty |
| 01:45 | <Philip`> | (They tend not to say anything about any feature at all, until releasing software that implements it) |
| 01:46 | <glynch> | I see. It would be very nice if they did, but I suppose we'll just have to keep emulating it for the time being |
| 01:51 | <Philip`> | And encourage people to use browsers that do support it already |
| 01:51 | <glynch> | Yeah. I see Apple doing that.. Nice move dropping IE6 support from it's Mobile Me platform |
| 01:52 | <glynch> | It's going to have some good leverage in the mobile market with webkit |
| 05:26 | <mcarter> | So I made an example WebSocket implementation, if anyone is interested in testing it out |
| 07:33 | <mcarter> | /join #twisted |
| 07:33 | <mcarter> | er, sorry |
| 17:59 | <hendry> | dragonfly doesn't seem to grok web forms 2.0 http://dabase.com/wf2/ |
| 18:00 | <hendry> | repetition templates |
| 18:23 | Philip` | looks at arc() again and gets quite confused, until realising that's because he was testing in Opera which is rubbish and broken |
| 18:24 | <Philip`> | so I now continue to believe that the spec does match sensible implementations, so I'm happy |
| 18:26 | <annevk> | is your test suite updated? |
| 18:26 | <annevk> | if so, QA should probably have another look and file new bugs as appropriate |
| 18:26 | <Philip`> | http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3C!DOCTYPE%20html%3E%0D%0A%3Ccanvas%20id%3Dc%3E%3C%2Fcanvas%3E%0D%0A%3Cscript%3E%0D%0Awindow.onload%3Dfunction()%7B%0D%0Avar%20ctx%3Ddocument.getElementById('c').getContext('2d')%3B%0D%0Actx.arc(100%2C%2050%2C%2030%2C%200%2C%2015%2C%20false)%3B%0D%0Actx.stroke()%3B%0D%0A%7D%0D%0A%3C%2Fscript%3E |
| 18:26 | <Philip`> | ^ that (in Opera) is not what I'd call an arc |
| 18:27 | <Philip`> | annevk: Not yet - that's what I'm working on now |
| 19:43 | <annevk> | Philip`, k, cool |
| 21:38 | met_ | just found location.search in URL http://www.example.com/? returns blank string in Firefox and question-mark in other browsers. |
| 21:38 | <met_> | Assuming it's Firefox bug. |
| 21:40 | <gavin> | is there a spec that covers that behavior? |
| 21:40 | <met_> | gavin, I've found just this http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/infrastructure.html#search |
| 21:41 | <met_> | there is only general getter for search and there is prefix "?" |
| 21:42 | <met_> | IE, Opera, Safari returns "?" just Firefox "" |
| 21:47 | <met_> | gavin, cannot find anything in bugzilla, so I'm filling bug |
| 21:48 | Philip` | finally gets the error/warning output from his test-generating script to be less than one screenful |
| 21:58 | met_ | jist filled https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=441190 about location.search incosistency |
| 22:07 | Philip` | wonders if he should write a test for getImageData().data.XXX5(i) |
| 22:32 | <weinig> | Philip`: hey, I say you were noting that Safari had trouble compositing canvases on top of one another using drawImage(canvas...) right? |
| 22:32 | <weinig> | Philip`: do you have a test case for it? |
| 22:33 | <hendry> | wtf is going on with web forms 2. hasn't webkit landed some recent support? http://groups.google.com/group/webforms2/browse_thread/thread/18116a12b04e69f4 is annoying |
| 22:39 | <Lachy> | crap, I wish they didn't stop development of it. |
| 22:40 | <Lachy> | If they did implement it, then we'd have two implementations and a very strong case for keeping WF2 instead of creating something new |
| 22:42 | <weinig> | we have a Summer of Code applicant working on some Web forms stuff |
| 22:43 | <weinig> | Validation is what he is doing right now |
| 22:43 | <Lachy> | cool |
| 22:43 | <weinig> | Lachy: we also just added support for autofocus I think |
| 22:54 | <Philip`> | weinig: I don't have a standalone test case for it |
| 22:54 | <weinig> | Philip`: ok |
| 22:54 | <Philip`> | weinig: I do have lots of not-quite-standalone test cases, but I need to make lots of unrelated changes before I'll get around to uploading them all |
| 22:55 | weinig | nods |