| 01:41 | Hixie | mumbles something about not believing that he's actually defining a fricking event loop algorithm but not seeing any sane way around it |
| 11:12 | <gsnedders> | Why do I read public-html and whatwg? |
| 11:36 | <Dashiva> | gsnedders: Because it's relevant to your interests (and future employment, maybe even) |
| 11:55 | <gsnedders> | We are the Priests/Of the Temples of Syrinx |
| 13:58 | jgraham | was hoping that gsnedders was setting up a "why does the chicken cross the road" type joke |
| 13:59 | <gsnedders> | jgraham: No, I wasn't. |
| 13:59 | <gsnedders> | jgraham: I guess I'm relying on the fact my T-shirt says, "Maybe if this shirt is witty enough someone will finally love me" for wit. |
| 14:52 | <hsivonen> | gsnedders: I suggest using an HTML5 parser that can be configured to follow the infoset coercion rules and, thus, maps space characters to XML S. |
| 15:09 | <gsnedders> | hsivonen: I have no need for the output to match XML, though |
| 15:09 | <hsivonen> | gsnedders: it makes the Toolchain work |
| 15:10 | <gsnedders> | I realised half an hour ago that normalize-space(translate(., "\x0C", " ")) would work fine |
| 15:57 | <hsivonen> | it takes almost 9 minutes to compile the parser into JS on 2.4 GHz Core Duo |
| 16:02 | <Philip`> | hsivonen: Why does http://validator.nu/?doc=http://www.teamfortress.com/ say "Error: Required attributes missing on element map." on the <map name="home">? I don't see any attributes required other than 'name' |
| 16:06 | <hsivonen> | Philip`: interesting. |
| 16:06 | <hsivonen> | Philip`: are you seeing similar bogus messages on other elements? |
| 16:10 | <Philip`> | hsivonen: Not that I can see |
| 16:10 | <Philip`> | Maybe something (maybe me) is getting confused because XHTML requires id instead of name? |
| 16:14 | <hsivonen> | Philip`: oh. right. it's not the HTML5 schema |
| 16:15 | <Philip`> | HTML 4.01 Transitional apparently |
| 16:16 | <Philip`> | Sounds like that's a known issue, given http://about.validator.nu/#ideas |
| 16:17 | hsivonen | tries to figure out why </body> hangs in the Web mode of GWT, although the code works right in Hosted mode |
| 16:17 | <Philip`> | Is there any debugging support for the Web mode? |
| 16:19 | <hsivonen> | Philip`: Firebug :-) |
| 16:20 | <hsivonen> | Philip`: but it's not useful due to the obfuscation |
| 16:21 | <hsivonen> | (GWT RC2 introduced a bug in the non-obfuscated compiler mode, so that's no good) |
| 16:21 | <Philip`> | Sounds like fun |
| 17:20 | <gsnedders> | anyone from the US around? |
| 17:37 | <hsivonen> | yay. the GWT compiler bug causing the hang is one of those bugs that stops being a bug when observed |
| 17:37 | <hsivonen> | (inserting alerts fixes the problem--presumably by foiling some compiler "optimizations") |
| 17:39 | <gsnedders> | nvm |
| 19:30 | Philip` | encounters https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/es-discuss/2008-August/003400.html |
| 19:33 | <Philip`> | (which indicates still requiring content-type opt-in to the new version, but promoting putting it in <script type> instead of HTTP content-type) |
| 22:27 | <Xenos> | Don't everybody talk at once, now |
| 22:42 | <Lachy> | Xenos, it's usually quiet in here on weekends |
| 22:43 | <Xenos> | Ahh |
| 22:43 | <gsnedders> | Until someone explodes, at least |
| 22:44 | <Lachy> | fortunately, exploding people are an infrequent occurrence. Though, it's messy when it does happen. |
| 22:44 | <gsnedders> | (Don't worry about me, I'm just talking about a mixture of Nabokov on IM, primarily Lolita and Ada or Ardor) |
| 22:45 | <Xenos> | How do you represent exploding people in text format? |
| 22:45 | gsnedders | explodes |
| 22:45 | <Lachy> | *BOOM* |
| 22:45 | <gsnedders> | Xenos: ^^ |
| 22:45 | <Xenos> | Ahh |
| 22:45 | <gsnedders> | Either work. |
| 22:45 | <Xenos> | Doesn't seem so messy to me :p |
| 22:45 | <gsnedders> | You can't see myself or Lachy now. |
| 22:46 | <Lachy> | Xenos, you'd think differently if you saw my screen right now |
| 22:46 | <Lachy> | :-) |
| 22:46 | <Xenos> | This is true. I am impressed by your disembodied selves still handling your keyboards, though :p |
| 22:47 | <gsnedders> | Xenos: I don't have a keyboard, I just have diodes attached to various bits of brain splattered across this room |
| 22:47 | <Xenos> | Ah :P |
| 22:47 | <gsnedders> | Now, let me try and reassemble myself so I can go to bed. |
| 22:48 | <Xenos> | hehe |
| 22:52 | gsnedders | is wondering if he can be bothered to not be lazy for long enough to apply to uni in the US |
| 22:53 | <Xenos> | Why would you apply for uni in the US? |
| 22:53 | <Xenos> | I mean, rather than somewhere civilized :p |
| 22:53 | <gsnedders> | IMO (which by definition is not humble), there are better places for CS in the US than anywhere else |
| 22:54 | <gsnedders> | And it really would be a successful means of running away from everyone I know |
| 22:54 | <Xenos> | Hmm, I thought there were Indian places that were supposed to be better |
| 22:54 | <Xenos> | don't remember any names tho |
| 22:54 | <Xenos> | That it would, I guess :P |
| 22:55 | <gsnedders> | But I don't speak Indian :) |
| 22:55 | <gsnedders> | (There again, I doubt many people from my school would be going to Cambridge, for example) |
| 22:55 | <Xenos> | English is an official language there, I'd guess most CS education happens in that :P |
| 22:56 | <gsnedders> | And Latin is the official language of the Vatican, but not everything is in Latin there :P |
| 22:56 | <Xenos> | hehe |
| 22:56 | <Xenos> | There are some regions that don't even speak Hindi |
| 22:56 | <gsnedders> | Like Fife, Scotland? |
| 22:57 | <Xenos> | lol |
| 22:58 | <gsnedders> | Or is that not the region you meant? :P |
| 22:59 | <Xenos> | Wow, there are 415 different mother tongues within India, 29 of which are spoken by more than 1 million people, 122 by 100k+ |
| 22:59 | <gsnedders> | Well, I can speak English. I can sorta speak French, and I can understand some German. |
| 23:00 | <gsnedders> | Oh, and I can read a fair amount of Latin. |
| 23:01 | <Xenos> | Then I guess Hindi is next on the list? :P |
| 23:02 | <gsnedders> | Nah. |
| 23:02 | <gsnedders> | I hate langauges :) |
| 23:02 | <Xenos> | hehe |
| 23:02 | <gsnedders> | Besides, "We're only immortal for a limited time", so why spend that time learning languages? :) |
| 23:03 | <Xenos> | :p |
| 23:03 | <Xenos> | It keeps the alzheimers away |
| 23:03 | <Xenos> | :p |
| 23:03 | <gsnedders> | (That's an awesome lyric, though) |
| 23:12 | <Xenos> | http://current.com/items/89204971_death_star_over_san_francisco nice |
| 23:13 | <gsnedders> | Photoshop'd! |
| 23:14 | <Xenos> | hehe |
| 23:14 | <Xenos> | I didn't know you could edit vids there :p |
| 23:17 | <gsnedders> | No, you can't, but meh! |
| 23:17 | <Xenos> | Thought it was kinda cool anyway :p |
| 23:25 | <gsnedders> | The longer anything goes on for, the less it makes sense. |
| 23:25 | <Xenos> | How so? |
| 23:26 | gsnedders | is just quoting myself out of context |
| 23:28 | <gsnedders> | (to give it a slight bit of context, there's a girl who constantly flirts with me, and just generally acts as if she wants me, denies it and will do nothing with me) |
| 23:29 | <Xenos> | That makes sense, every time you do anything in return that makes it seem that you want her validates her |
| 23:29 | <Xenos> | Boosts self-esteem, makes her feel more attractive, etc. She might not even be consciously aware of continually flirting |
| 23:30 | gsnedders | has already got into far too long discussions about this |
| 23:30 | <Xenos> | Anyhow, it doesn't not make sense :p |
| 23:31 | <gsnedders> | "talking to you is like taking a ride in a mobius loop" — molly |
| 23:31 | <gsnedders> | (as it always ends up back on the subject of that girl :P) |
| 23:32 | gsnedders | is hopeless |
| 23:32 | <gsnedders> | (Actually, I'm not, I'm far too hopeful, but I digress, and I ought to shut up now) |
| 23:33 | <Xenos> | You really like this girl, eh? |
| 23:33 | <gsnedders> | Xenos: I have shut up. |
| 23:33 | <Xenos> | The general rule in such situations is GFTOW. |
| 23:33 | <Xenos> | Go F*ck Ten Other Women. If you're still in love with her after you might have real problems :P |
| 23:35 | <gsnedders> | … Xenos says completely naïve of the fact I've just got out of months of seeing a psychologist :P |
| 23:35 | <Xenos> | Good. Most people should see a good psychologist for some time :p |
| 23:36 | <Xenos> | And if you've quit that means you're better, right? |
| 23:36 | <gsnedders> | In terms of what was causing me to be suicidal, yes |
| 23:40 | <Lachy> | That death star video is awesome :-) |
| 23:41 | <Xenos> | Ya :p |
| 23:41 | <Lachy> | it's quite well made. Some of the shots look quite realistic |
| 23:41 | <gsnedders> | But only some :( |
| 23:42 | <Xenos> | Yup |
| 23:42 | <Xenos> | Some |
| 23:42 | <Lachy> | yeah. The one with the landing didn't quite work well due to some minor camera movement |
| 23:42 | <Lachy> | you can see the ship shifting slightly as the camera moved |
| 23:47 | <Xenos> | g'nite guys |
| 23:50 | <jgraham> | The lighting's wrong :) |
| 23:50 | <jgraham> | (on the death star) |
| 23:55 | <gsnedders> | http://xkcd.com/331/ |