| 00:55 | <Hixie> | can i drop <textarea accept="">? |
| 00:55 | <Hixie> | or is anyone actually going to implement anything useful with it? |
| 01:49 | <erlehmann_> | Hixie: i'd use it as a complement for server side validating of (X)HTML content. |
| 01:49 | <erlehmann_> | Hixie: many blogs accept (X)HTML, but to not advertise it. |
| 01:51 | <Hixie> | hm? |
| 01:52 | <Hixie> | still to do: form submission, validity constraints api, encoding form data, data templates |
| 01:52 | <Hixie> | getting there! |
| 01:52 | <Hixie> | form submission attributes, rather, form submission itself is done |
| 02:06 | <erlehmann_> | Hixie: "hm?" what type of comment is that ? |
| 02:09 | <BenMillard> | erlehmann_, it probably meant "Hmm? How would that work?" |
| 02:26 | <Hixie> | erlehmann_: why would accept="" be relevant for that? |
| 02:27 | <erlehmann_> | can't i specify accept="application/xhtml+xml" and the browser would hint that to the user ? |
| 02:27 | <Hixie> | sure, but is any browser going to implement it? |
| 02:29 | <erlehmann_> | dunno. i'd probably rely on @pattern, with horrendous results |
| 02:30 | <Hixie> | <textarea pattern=""> is gone too actually :-) |
| 02:30 | <erlehmann_> | wat |
| 02:31 | <erlehmann_> | no wai |
| 02:31 | <erlehmann_> | http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/#the-pattern |
| 02:31 | <erlehmann_> | "and for the textarea element" |
| 02:31 | <Hixie> | yeah i dropped it in the transfer to html5 |
| 02:31 | <Hixie> | couldn't find a good use case for it |
| 02:32 | <erlehmann_> | validating BBcode ? |
| 02:33 | <erlehmann_> | that's the most obvious thing |
| 02:34 | <erlehmann_> | willyoubutitbackplease ? |
| 02:34 | <Hixie> | can that even be done using regexps? |
| 02:34 | <erlehmann_> | lemme think. |
| 02:34 | <Hixie> | don't ask for things before you even know if they'll work for the reason you ask for them :-) |
| 02:35 | <erlehmann_> | well, i think it can work |
| 02:35 | <Hixie> | i can't see a pretty way to do it |
| 02:35 | <Hixie> | i'd imagine that custom JS with the setValidity() method would be much more effective |
| 02:35 | <erlehmann_> | [list of bbcodes] + [list of other characters] combined with wildcard = win ? |
| 02:36 | <erlehmann_> | like (let me build it) |
| 02:36 | <Hixie> | show me what the value of pattern="" would be. :-) |
| 02:44 | <erlehmann_> | wait. regexes are only capable of describing a chomsky type-3 language. what i want, is to correctly parse a type-2 language. |
| 02:45 | <erlehmann_> | therefore, i can absolutely not count opening and corresponding closing brackets with regular expressions, right ? |
| 02:46 | <BenMillard> | erlehmann_, that problem is something of a classic, although Philip` might have some ideas. |
| 02:46 | <erlehmann_> | :( |
| 02:46 | <Hixie> | like i said, not sure pattern="" is useful for <textarea>. :-) |
| 02:46 | <erlehmann_> | Hixie: you win. and again, i'm no match for the masters of the internet. |
| 02:47 | <erlehmann_> | BenMillard: nesting is the problem, i think. without nesting, no counting ... |
| 02:48 | <erlehmann_> | but what's with stuff like "enter a list of $stuff" |
| 02:49 | <erlehmann_> | though some of it becomes obsolete through the "add input" buttons, simply copying and pasting dozens of URLs into a textarea is easy at times |
| 02:49 | <erlehmann_> | gmail uses it |
| 02:50 | <erlehmann_> | and i recently encountered a guy who basically made trac tickets from CSV data |
| 02:51 | <BenMillard> | CSV is teh pwn |
| 02:51 | <BenMillard> | I much prefer it to XML |
| 02:51 | <erlehmann_> | (gmail uses it for mail adresses, of course) |
| 02:51 | <erlehmann_> | lol |
| 02:51 | <erlehmann_> | say, do you also prefer .INI over JSON ? |
| 02:52 | <erlehmann_> | :D |
| 02:53 | <Hixie> | well crap |
| 02:53 | <Hixie> | <form action=""> has nutty resolution semanics |
| 02:57 | <BenMillard> | erlehmann_, I prefer .ini over the Windows registry. Haven't used JSON. |
| 03:17 | <Hixie> | still to do: validity constraints api, encoding form data, removing data templates |
| 03:24 | <Hixie> | still to do: validity constraints api, encoding form data |
| 03:24 | <Hixie> | nearly done! |
| 03:37 | <BenMillard> | Hixie, what do you think of the alt text for the two images in main content here: http://calthorpepark.hants.sch.uk/news/2008/points.htm |
| 03:37 | <BenMillard> | (and anyone else who's interested) |
| 03:40 | <Hixie> | the alt text is ok, but the paragraph before the first image isn't |
| 03:40 | <Hixie> | for non-visual users it reads: |
| 03:40 | <Hixie> | The first chart shows Marie Currie in the lead at the moment, but only just! |
| 03:40 | <Hixie> | Marie Curie lead with nearly 1,000 points. They are followed by Sommerville, Kilby and Da Vinci. |
| 03:40 | <Hixie> | At the start of the term all Houses started from zero points. |
| 03:41 | <BenMillard> | Hixie, hmm...the alt text was written by me, the surrounding text comes from staff |
| 03:41 | <BenMillard> | is it the repetition you don't like? |
| 03:41 | <Hixie> | well there's no graph |
| 03:42 | <BenMillard> | oh, I see |
| 03:42 | <Hixie> | or chart rather |
| 03:42 | <BenMillard> | what if I remove "The first chart shows"? |
| 03:42 | <BenMillard> | (and adjust grammar to suit) |
| 03:43 | <BenMillard> | Marie Currie are in the lead at the moment, but only just! |
| 03:43 | <Hixie> | sounds good to me :-) |
| 03:43 | <Hixie> | the alt text could also give the number for the others, e.g. They are followed by Sommerville (300), Kilby (200) and Da Vinci (100). |
| 03:44 | <BenMillard> | Hixie, I wasn't given the exact values yet but when I get them, I can add them. |
| 03:44 | <BenMillard> | I agree with putting parenthese around them, too :) |
| 05:30 | <Hixie> | still to do: encoding form data |
| 05:43 | <famicom> | hah |
| 05:43 | <famicom> | just add support for base64 |
| 05:47 | <BenMillard> | Hixie, isn't it your bedtime? or are you offsetting your sleep cycle for TPAC? |
| 06:26 | <Hixie> | BenMillard: my bedtime? it's not even 11 yet. i normally go to bed around 4am. |
| 06:32 | <BenMillard> | Hixie, oh I forgot which timezone you're inj |
| 10:21 | <Philip`> | erlehmann_: You can't do /(x*)y\1/ with theoretical regular expressions either (for the same reason you can't test for matching brackets), but practical implementations don't care about that theory :-) |
| 10:21 | <erlehmann_> | Philip`: tell me more. |
| 10:22 | <Philip`> | (but most practical implementations still don't support testing for matching brackets) |
| 10:22 | <Philip`> | erlehmann_: What kind of more? |
| 10:23 | <erlehmann_> | practical implementations don't care ? |
| 10:24 | <Philip`> | Regular expression theory doesn't contain backreferences like \1, but they're (relatively) easy to implement and useful so everyone implements them anyway |
| 11:15 | <takkaria> | though implementations without them can run way way faster |
| 11:26 | Philip` | is reminded of http://blog.mozilla.com/dmandelin/2008/10/06/squirrelfishing-in-regexp-dnajs/ |
| 12:30 | <hsivonen_> | http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Jun/0173.html |
| 12:38 | <hsivonen_> | Re: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2008/09/23-minutes : I wonder what "Losses of engineering quality" refers to |
| 12:54 | <Philip`> | "<timbl> I think it is important that the cases which don't meet the IRI spec are referred to as errors, even if the errors are ignored in HTML5 browser handling" - isn't that what http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/infrastructure.html#valid-url is about? |
| 12:56 | <hsivonen_> | I'm not sure what this clean/not-clean concern is about. I wonder if I should ask. |
| 12:57 | <raspberry-lemon> | html5: halal or haram?!? |
| 12:58 | <Philip`> | hsivonen_: I assumed it was the usual distinction of valid HTML which authors should be told about / error handling of invalid HTML which browsers should be told about and should be hidden from authors |
| 12:59 | <Dashiva> | Apparently they want to split HTML5 into XHTML5 and HTML5-Tidy |
| 13:00 | <Philip`> | Dashiva: That sounds quite like how HTML5 works already, if you read "XHTML5" as "DOM" and "HTML5-Tidy" as "the HTML5 parsing algorithm" |
| 13:01 | <Philip`> | at least in the sense of converting into a form that is guaranteed to be free from syntax errors |
| 13:01 | <Dashiva> | Philip`: Except the parsing algorithm also parses the clean markup |
| 13:01 | <Philip`> | (because it has no syntax) |
| 13:01 | <Philip`> | Dashiva: HTML5-Tidy processes clean markup too |
| 13:02 | <Dashiva> | But it's not needed for it |
| 13:02 | <Dashiva> | DOM alone is pretty useless :) |
| 13:02 | <Philip`> | You can generate the DOM from scripts, without involving the parser much at all :-) |
| 13:03 | <Philip`> | Anyway, I'm wrong and I see your point :-) |
| 13:03 | <Dashiva> | But, but... then we can't continue |
| 13:03 | <Dashiva> | If I wanted to see a conspiracy, I'd say the tag wants to split the clean and non-clean so they can later deprecate the non-clean, or say people should only implement the clean :) |
| 13:06 | <Philip`> | I'd guess it's just because uncleanliness offends their sensibilities, and they want the W3C to be producing nice technologies, not HTML5 |
| 13:07 | <Philip`> | Mr Last Week: Could you change your visited-link and date-line colour? It's very hard to read against the background, at least on my monitor with the sun shining on it |
| 13:08 | <Dashiva> | jar: Balance of power is different. In C the language had no power relative to the "browsers" (CPUs), so new CPUs could dictate language changes |
| 13:09 | <Dashiva> | I don't see how it's so very different now |
| 13:09 | Philip` | can't think of any examples of how C changed because of CPUs |
| 13:11 | <hsivonen_> | Philip`: CPU development has caused non-standard vectorization extensions to C, AFAIK |
| 13:12 | <Philip`> | I suppose that's true, but C specifically allows compilers to do that kind of thing |
| 13:12 | <Philip`> | It's just distributed extensibility, using the __ prefix to avoid collisions with future versions of the standard language |
| 13:13 | <Philip`> | And those extensions are just adding datatypes and things that look like library functions, and aren't really changing the language |
| 13:14 | <Philip`> | Oh, there's OpenMP which I guess is a more significant change to the language |
| 13:15 | <Philip`> | but that's got Open in its name so it must be a nice non-proprietary standard, and it isn't CPU-specific at all |
| 13:16 | <Philip`> | (and it's even backward-compatible) |
| 13:22 | <hsivonen_> | I guess Objective-C is just distributed extensibility, too, then? |
| 13:23 | <Philip`> | That's just a new language |
| 13:26 | <hsivonen_> | but every valid C program is a valid Objective-C program, right? |
| 13:32 | <Philip`> | Quite possibly |
| 13:33 | <Philip`> | but the difference is that it's called Objective-C, not C |
| 13:33 | <Philip`> | and nobody release software they claim is a C compiler, when actually it's an Objective-C compiler |
| 13:33 | <Philip`> | *releases |
| 13:33 | MikeSmith | prefers "Subjective C" |
| 13:34 | <MikeSmith> | "Objective C" would be a good name for a rapper |
| 13:34 | <jcranmer> | Surjective? |
| 13:34 | <Philip`> | so it's very different to releasing a C compiler, which happens to have been extended with some new features |
| 13:36 | <Philip`> | Objective C is the bunker on the left which we'll clear out once enemy resistance at the first two objectives has been suppressed |
| 13:44 | <MikeSmith> | Philip`: heh |
| 13:48 | <hsivonen> | well. I sent email asking what was meant with separation of clean and not-clean |
| 15:36 | <annevk2> | from DreamHost: "A suggestion you voted against has been marked completed!" yay, I'm all excited |
| 15:37 | <annevk2> | lol, the e-mail even suggests to re-submit the idea in case it was not completed to my satisfaction |
| 15:41 | <zcorpan> | what was the suggestion? |
| 16:11 | <gfan> | Hi, all. I am new to WHATWG and interested in Mobile Device API. Can someone tell me where to find out current WHATWG's efforts on Mobile Device API? Are there any cooperation between WHATWG and OpenAjax on Deviec API? Thanks. |
| 16:12 | <annevk2> | we're currently not working on such a thing and there are no plans afaik |
| 16:13 | <gfan> | annevk2: thanks. does WHATWG have some work on geolocation? |
| 16:14 | <Lachy_> | gfan, I'm fairly sure that the geolocation work is within the W3C, not the WHATWG |
| 16:15 | <gfan> | lachy_: thanks. |
| 16:15 | <hasather> | gfan: http://www.w3.org/2008/geolocation/ |
| 17:17 | gsnedders | has no idea whether he'll be online from tomorrow till Sunday next week |
| 17:18 | <gsnedders> | So if anyone wants to tell me anything before TPAC, either tell me now or phone me |
| 17:24 | <ehird> | gsnedders: donkeys! |
| 17:25 | <erlehmann__> | HURR DURR I'M A WEB BROWSER |
| 17:25 | <ehird> | erlehmann__: :DDDDDDDD |
| 17:27 | <takkaria> | http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/09/25/apple_proposes_improvements_to_safari_browsing_experience.html is interesting |
| 17:27 | <takkaria> | they seem to be patenting a bit of the workings of the video tag :) |
| 17:31 | <gsnedders> | brb |
| 18:48 | <gsnedders> | hahahaha at my appearance on lastweekinhtml5 |
| 18:53 | Philip` | hates it when adding a single line to his LaTeX document makes it suddenly become ten lines larger than the page limit |
| 18:55 | <Philip`> | (But yesterday it was 1.5 pages over the limit, so it's not doing too badly) |
| 19:02 | <Philip`> | Is it typical for French books to have the text on their spine the opposite way around to English books? |
| 19:45 | <john_fallows> | i see in the Server-sent Events section that servers are expected to send a "keep-alive" comment to prevent intermediate proxy servers from closing an otherwise dormant connection |
| 19:47 | <john_fallows> | how do we ensure that event latency is not adversely affected by intermediate proxy buffering? |
| 19:48 | <Hixie> | john_fallows: i am not aware of any way to avoid intermediate proxies from screwing everything up |
| 19:50 | <john_fallows> | would it help to specify that the browser should setup a tunnel with HTTP CONNECT first? |
| 19:50 | <Hixie> | so... who wants to be on the TPAC panel talking about the webarch document |
| 19:50 | <Hixie> | john_fallows: you can do that with WebSockets |
| 19:51 | <Hixie> | john_fallows: having them be different allows you to pick the one that works the best for a particular situation |
| 19:51 | <Hixie> | john_fallows: (dynamically) |
| 19:51 | <Hixie> | though frankly i've been tempted to just drop server-sent events altogether |
| 19:53 | <john_fallows> | i think Server-sent Events has a number of compelling features, and a clean integration with the browser event model |
| 19:54 | <Hixie> | so does WebSocket |
| 19:55 | <john_fallows> | yeah, but the events in WebSocket are not driven by the content, and can never be because it doesn't standardize the protocol (beyond framing), nor would it make sense to do so |
| 19:57 | <john_fallows> | also, Server-sent Events can recover from a broken TCP connection, making it very useful for broadcast failover |
| 19:59 | <john_fallows> | btw, we just released our WebSocket server on kaazing.org in case you are interested |
| 20:01 | <john_fallows> | there are clearly benefits to having Server-sent Events with a standard protocol syntax targeted at broadcast scenarios |
| 20:01 | <john_fallows> | and WebSockets with no standard payload syntax, targeted at bidirectional communication |
| 20:01 | <john_fallows> | almost like having UDP and TCP :-) |
| 20:05 | <Hixie> | fair enough :-) |
| 20:05 | <franksalim> | Hixie, john_fallows: i think the most compelling reason to keep SSE in addition to WS is that SSE is still HTTP and can be driven by current web servers |
| 20:06 | <john_fallows> | true - whereas WebSocket just uses HTTP-compatible bytes for the handshake |
| 20:09 | <john_fallows> | specifying HTTP CONNECT for Server-sent Events would seem to address the potential buffering issue though |
| 20:11 | <Hixie> | please send e-mail to the list to remind me to look into it |
| 20:11 | <john_fallows> | ok, sounds good - will do. |
| 20:11 | <Hixie> | but i'm not sure if we'll be able to do that -- if that worked, why wouldn't browsers just do that for all connections? |
| 20:15 | <john_fallows> | i suppose not all connections have a requirement to minimize latency of incremental parts of the response |
| 20:15 | <john_fallows> | i'll organize my thoughts and send an email to the list |
| 20:22 | <john_fallows> | btw, i'll also send a separate email regarding server-initiated flush to force a client acknowledgment and immediate reconnect, without affecting recovery timeout in network or server failure scenario |
| 22:11 | <Philip`> | annevk: Is it possible to set up wildcard domains on html5.org, like to make *.philip.html5.org equivalent to philip.html5.org? |
| 22:14 | <Philip`> | (or possibly to make them all point to some other server, if Dreamhost doesn't let you make the web server handle all those domains) |
| 22:15 | <gsnedders> | Hixie: ping |
| 22:15 | <gsnedders> | BenMillard: ping |
| 22:16 | <Hixie> | gsnedders: in meeting but here |
| 22:17 | <gsnedders> | Hixie: Need I bring any PS2 stuff? You have two controllers? |
| 22:17 | <Hixie> | i was gonna ask you the same question |
| 22:17 | <Hixie> | i don't plan to bring anything |
| 22:17 | <Hixie> | unless you want me to |
| 22:18 | <Hixie> | (i have to go through the US customs so the less i bring the better) |
| 22:18 | <gsnedders> | Hixie: Do you have GT4? |
| 22:18 | <Hixie> | um |
| 22:18 | <Hixie> | maybe |
| 22:18 | <Hixie> | not sure |
| 22:18 | <Hixie> | if i do i haven't unlocked anything |
| 22:19 | <gsnedders> | Heh. |
| 22:19 | <gsnedders> | There's only really any point in you bringing PS2 if we have two copies of GT4 so we can have it running over LAN and not split-screen |
| 22:19 | <gsnedders> | As for not unlocking anything, I can bring memory card (my disk of it is screwed, and I can't bring my PS2 with me, mainly because it's old-style bulk) |
| 22:20 | <Hixie> | i'd really rather not bring my ps2 |
| 22:20 | <Hixie> | but we'll see |
| 22:20 | <gsnedders> | On the whole, I'd say don't bother |
| 22:21 | <Hixie> | k |
| 22:41 | <BenMillard> | gsnedders, still here? |
| 22:42 | <gsnedders> | BenMillard: yea |
| 22:42 | <BenMillard> | gsnedders, just saw you pinged me in the logs |
| 22:42 | <gsnedders> | BenMillard: and dropped email |
| 22:42 | <BenMillard> | I only have 1 bonafide PS controller |
| 22:42 | <BenMillard> | and no LAN cable |
| 22:42 | <gsnedders> | BenMillard: So should I bring another? |
| 22:42 | <gsnedders> | BenMillard: LAN cable is no issue, we will only have 1 PS2 |
| 22:42 | <BenMillard> | ah, ok |
| 22:42 | <BenMillard> | gsnedders, yes, do please bring 1 controller |
| 22:43 | <gsnedders> | BenMillard: OK. Maybe I'll bring a game or two too :) |
| 22:43 | <BenMillard> | gsnedders, sure...and your memory card if it's got anything useful on it |
| 22:43 | <gsnedders> | BenMillard: It might, might not |
| 22:43 | <gsnedders> | BenMillard: Maybe I'll bring GT3… |
| 22:43 | <BenMillard> | gsnedders, I can bring that |
| 22:43 | <gsnedders> | BenMillard: So can I. I'm in the middle of a race on it atm :P |
| 22:44 | <BenMillard> | the way GT3 models oversteer and drifting is my favourite of any game |
| 22:44 | <gsnedders> | I started GT3 from scratch on Monday to practice with slower cars :P |
| 22:45 | <BenMillard> | Hixie, you don't need to bring anything PS2-related unless it's an extra game (like GTA: foo?) |
| 22:48 | <BenMillard> | gsnedders, easier if I bring both GT games, since my discs are probably in better condition than yours |
| 22:48 | <gsnedders> | BenMillard: My GT3 works fine, that's why I'm playing that and not GT4 now :) |
| 22:48 | <BenMillard> | ok, if you really want to bring your copy then we'll use that |
| 22:49 | <gsnedders> | I have plenty to bring already :) |
| 22:49 | <gsnedders> | And I have to lug it around for a week first |
| 22:49 | <BenMillard> | GRR! so are you bringing it or am I? make your mind up! |
| 22:49 | <gsnedders> | You are |
| 22:49 | <BenMillard> | ok |
| 22:49 | <gsnedders> | That's the implication of that comment :P |
| 22:50 | <gsnedders> | Ooo… I could bring NFS:HP2 (the best NFS game IMO), F1:05, and Tokyo Xtreme Racer |
| 22:50 | <BenMillard> | I remmber the first Hot Pursuit on PC, was great in 2P |
| 22:50 | <BenMillard> | F1 games can be hilariously unrealistic, so that might be intertaining |
| 22:50 | <gsnedders> | Oh, the AI is lovely. You can easily lap them several times on hard. |
| 22:51 | <gsnedders> | (NFS as always has a rubber-band AI, so you never really thrash it) |
| 22:51 | <gsnedders> | (unless you turn the rubber-band off, and do an eight lap race) |
| 23:32 | <annevk2> | Hixie, can't you be on the panel? |
| 23:32 | <Hixie> | i'll be editing html5. |
| 23:33 | <annevk2> | hmm, what if I edit it an hour for you (preferably a different hour, so I can watch the show :) ) |
| 23:33 | <Hixie> | i don't see the point in participating. what difference does it make if the webarch document changes, even if we do convince people to change it? |
| 23:34 | <annevk2> | i was mostly concerned with the entertainment value |
| 23:34 | <Hixie> | if you want entertainment... the meeting is in a casino. |
| 23:34 | <Hixie> | and gsnedders and BenMillard will have a PS2 |
| 23:38 | <annevk2> | i think i'd have more of a laugh during that panel, but we'll see :) |
| 23:41 | <annevk2> | Philip`, dunno |
| 23:41 | <annevk2> | (re wildcard domains) |
| 23:42 | Philip` | is trying to write some quick tests, but forgot how buggy browsers are |
| 23:43 | <Philip`> | (My current problem is that I can add a certain key into Firefox's globalStorage, which is impossible to remove again) |
| 23:44 | <Philip`> | annevk2: Is there a thing where you can type in subdomain names and IPs, so you could put something like "*.philip" in the subdomain thing and point it at my server? |
| 23:44 | <annevk2> | I can make a custom DNS record |
| 23:44 | <annevk2> | I'm not sure if it does wildcards |
| 23:44 | <annevk2> | but give me an IP and I'll try |
| 23:45 | <Philip`> | 92.243.11.39 would be nice |
| 23:46 | <annevk2> | "We have now added the A record for *.philip.html5.org with value 92.243.11.39. Our DNS servers will start serving this record within a couple of minutes." |
| 23:47 | <Hixie> | if that works i'll be impressed |
| 23:47 | <Philip`> | $ hostx foo.philip.html5.org ns1.dreamhost.com |
| 23:47 | <Philip`> | foo.philip.html5.org A 92.243.11.39 |
| 23:48 | <Philip`> | Looks like that does work - thanks! |
| 23:48 | <Hixie> | wow |
| 23:48 | <Hixie> | i am shocked |
| 23:48 | <Hixie> | that's awesome |
| 23:48 | <Hixie> | time to set up wildcard domains everywhere! |
| 23:48 | Philip` | wonders what to do now that he has control of an infinite number of origins |
| 23:48 | <Hixie> | not infinite |
| 23:48 | <Hixie> | just very very large |
| 23:49 | <Hixie> | (dns names are length-limited and character-set limited) |
| 23:49 | <Philip`> | Close enough to infinite for all practical purposes :-) |
| 23:49 | <Philip`> | and for many impractical purposes too |
| 23:49 | <annevk2> | btw, DreamHost still claims www.philip and ftp.philip, fwiw |
| 23:50 | Hixie | turned off ftp |
| 23:50 | <annevk2> | ok, both btw and fwiw is a bit too much |
| 23:50 | <Hixie> | and you can turn off www, iirc |
| 23:50 | <Hixie> | dunno if that affects dns though |
| 23:50 | <annevk2> | I thought you could only make it redirect |
| 23:50 | <annevk2> | (which I do for all sites) |
| 23:52 | <Hixie> | hm maybe |
| 23:52 | <Hixie> | i thought you could disable it |
| 23:52 | <Hixie> | i forget |