| 00:20 | <michaeln> | is a convenient way of viewing the diffs between the current draft and a previous draft a section of the HTML5 doc? |
| 00:26 | <annevk5> | e.g. http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker ? |
| 00:28 | <annevk5> | oh, of specific sections, don't think so |
| 00:34 | <michaeln> | thnx |
| 08:18 | <Hixie> | zcorpan: IE is the only browser to do this |
| 08:30 | <zcorpan> | Hixie: firefox doesn't escape < and > in onclick and a href="javascript:...", and webkit doesn't escape <>& in a href="javascript:..." |
| 08:32 | <zcorpan> | Hixie: but i hope never escaping < and > is good enough for web compat... should be since it matches ie :) |
| 08:39 | <gsnedders> | Hixie: I guess I should email you about no note section 1,3 being non-normative |
| 08:40 | <Hixie> | already fixed 1.3 |
| 08:42 | <gsnedders> | _damn_ you're good. |
| 08:42 | <gsnedders> | :P |
| 08:42 | <Hixie> | gsnedders: can you still not log in? |
| 08:42 | <gsnedders> | Hixie: I can now |
| 08:43 | <gsnedders> | Hixie: I realized it was username and not email :P |
| 08:43 | <Hixie> | ok |
| 08:45 | <zcorpan> | 1.4.2 has a funny status box |
| 08:45 | <Hixie> | funny how? |
| 08:45 | <zcorpan> | it says "undefined" |
| 08:46 | <Hixie> | reload |
| 08:46 | <zcorpan> | ah |
| 08:46 | <zcorpan> | damn cache |
| 08:47 | <zcorpan> | and here i thought you had a bug in your script :( |
| 08:50 | <zcorpan> | Hixie: perhaps the spec should drop the "5" and only talk about "HTML", "XHTML", "DOM HTML" |
| 11:03 | <gsnedders> | I could think of how to do a section updated with a streaming parser |
| 11:05 | Philip` | fails to parse that sentence |
| 11:06 | gsnedders | notes it would probably make sense if Philip` were in the room when talking about it |
| 11:10 | <smedero> | gsnedders, of course few here may understands what room you are referring to |
| 11:11 | <smedero> | (HTML WG face-to-face meeting) |
| 11:13 | <gsnedders> | :P |
| 13:00 | <gsnedders> | Hixie, annevk5: Are we going to go to the airport together? If so, how? |
| 13:00 | <Hixie> | i'm taking the train |
| 13:00 | <Hixie> | when i wake up |
| 13:00 | <Hixie> | whenever that is |
| 13:00 | <annevk5> | hmm |
| 13:01 | <annevk5> | ok, so I'm not travelling with Hixie then :) |
| 13:01 | <gsnedders> | hixie: Ah. And spending the day in Nice, or going straight to the airport? |
| 13:01 | <Hixie> | no idea |
| 13:01 | <Hixie> | probably airport |
| 13:01 | <gsnedders> | annevk5: I guess we can go later :) |
| 13:02 | <Lachy> | I'll be spending most of the day in Nice |
| 13:02 | <Lachy> | My flight leaves at 17:15, so I need to be at the airport around 16:00 |
| 13:03 | <annevk5> | gsnedders, when is your plane leaving? |
| 13:03 | <gsnedders> | annevk5: 20:10 |
| 13:05 | <annevk5> | ah, similar to mine |
| 13:06 | <annevk5> | mine is at 20:40 |
| 13:06 | <annevk5> | I think Hixie is on the same plane, no idea why he'd go straight to the airport... |
| 13:07 | <Hixie> | cos i plan to sleep til like 4 |
| 13:09 | <gsnedders> | Hixie: The paragraph beginning with "The default" has @id, "The scoped" does not (scoped itself does as a dfn) |
| 13:15 | <Lachy> | it would be nice to sleep that long, but I thought checkout time for the hotel would have been earlier |
| 13:16 | <annevk5> | what is there to do in Nice? |
| 13:16 | <annevk5> | i heard there is some cool train going into the mountains |
| 13:16 | <annevk5> | that might be something i want to do |
| 13:16 | <Lachy> | it depends how long it takes and when it gets back |
| 13:16 | <gsnedders> | I need to do school work, somewhere |
| 13:16 | <Lachy> | but it could be fun |
| 13:16 | <gsnedders> | Heck, I could do that at the airport |
| 13:16 | <Lachy> | do it on sunday |
| 13:17 | <gsnedders> | I have too much :) |
| 13:17 | <Lachy> | not my problem :-) |
| 13:20 | <annevk5> | yeah, your flight leaves early |
| 13:22 | <hsivonen> | is one supposed to buy train tickets on the train station or on the train? |
| 13:22 | <Lachy> | hsivonen, ask when you get to the train station |
| 13:23 | <Lachy> | I would assume you buy them at the station, cause that's the way it works in all countries I've been to |
| 13:23 | <Lachy> | (though that's not many) |
| 13:23 | <hsivonen> | Lachy: well, it affects the scheduling of getting to the station in the first place |
| 13:24 | <Lachy> | why? It only takes a few minutes to get a ticket, and I guess they would have ticket machines that make it quite quick |
| 13:25 | <hsivonen> | One can't count on a b&m transaction taking a few minutes |
| 13:30 | <gsnedders> | hsivonen: There's a ticket machine |
| 13:31 | <hsivonen> | gsnedders: thanks |
| 13:32 | <hendry> | anyone flying around 21:55 from Nice tonight? |
| 13:32 | <hsivonen> | did Mr. Last Week delete his blog? |
| 13:33 | <Hixie> | not as far as i can tell |
| 13:33 | <Hixie> | http://lastweekinhtml5.blogspot.com/ |
| 13:33 | <hsivonen> | oh. it's back now |
| 13:33 | <hsivonen> | blogspot was broken I guess |
| 13:33 | <Philip`> | Clearly it's a Google conspiracy to suppress free speech that is critical of its employees |
| 13:40 | <Dashiva> | How did I manage to miss the "complete tool" comment previously? |
| 13:40 | <gsnedders> | Dashiva: Where? |
| 13:41 | <Dashiva> | http://lastweekinhtml5.blogspot.com/2008/10/moneyshots.html |
| 13:42 | <Philip`> | It's worrying that he's "slightly turned on by Hixie[...]" |
| 13:42 | <gsnedders> | Philip`: You just caused myself and Lachy to just burst out laughing in the F2F meeting |
| 13:43 | <Philip`> | gsnedders: My humble apologies |
| 13:44 | <Lachy> | Philip`, no worries. Though I would like you to try harder to get MikeSmith or ChrisWilson to burst out in laughter |
| 13:45 | <gsnedders> | Lachy: CW isn't here, though MikeSmith is here but only watching #html-wg |
| 13:48 | <Lachy> | gsnedders, that's ok. if you post something funny in #html-wg, you could get everyone to burst out laughing |
| 13:48 | <gsnedders> | Lachy: hmm… |
| 13:50 | myakura | is full. had too much cakes... |
| 13:50 | <Philip`> | The danger is you might say something that's not actually funny, and then you'll just look silly :-( |
| 13:50 | <Lachy> | Philip`, sure that's always a risk |
| 13:52 | karlUshi | recommends myakura to run a bit ;) |
| 13:53 | <annevk5> | cake? yamyam |
| 13:53 | annevk5 | wants some |
| 13:54 | karlUshi | has one week of travelling in France after TPAC… more food… more cakes… damn! |
| 13:54 | <Lachy> | annevk5, they had lots of cakes available at lunch time. But perhaps you missed out because gsnedders and CWilso took about half the dessert table each. |
| 13:56 | hsivonen | will go to Italy to burn the cakes eaten here |
| 13:56 | <Lachy> | what? |
| 13:56 | <gsnedders> | Lachy, there was plenty left when I got the cakes I took, dunno about the equally piggish CWilso though |
| 13:56 | gsnedders | finishes running blame |
| 13:57 | <hsivonen> | Lachy, I'll go to Italy tomorrow and hopefully walk more and eat fewer cakes |
| 13:57 | <Lachy> | ah, you mean burn off the calories from the cakes eaten today, rather than fail at baking cakes |
| 13:57 | <annevk5> | karlUshi, so sad |
| 13:58 | karlUshi | :))) |
| 13:58 | <Lachy> | gsnedders, that's great. Shift the blame to CWilso when he's not even here to defend himself! |
| 13:58 | <Lachy> | :-) |
| 13:58 | <gsnedders> | Lachy: Duh. |
| 13:58 | <gsnedders> | Lachy: I mean, I thought that's what we did to people from MS. |
| 13:58 | <Philip`> | That's what we do to everyone who's not here |
| 13:59 | Lachy | goes to check the logs for the times he's been logged out... |
| 13:59 | <gsnedders> | :) |
| 14:00 | <Philip`> | (I assume some IE people do read the logs here, since they linked to it from the IE Blog once) |
| 14:11 | <virtuelv> | annevk5, zcorpan_ check the "related videos" section here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpZkkuMfFc8 |
| 14:13 | <annevk5> | "Obsessed with Miley Cyrus ?!"? |
| 14:13 | <annevk5> | hmm |
| 14:14 | <annevk5> | we'll prolly move those videos over to vimeo as it has much better quality |
| 14:14 | <Philip`> | Can't you host them yourself? |
| 14:15 | <annevk5> | if we wanted to go through the effort, I suppose |
| 14:16 | <Philip`> | Is it that much effort to pass the files through mencoder, find one of the zillion Flash video players that presumably exists, and then upload it and write a few lines of HTML to embed it on the page? |
| 14:17 | <annevk5> | apparently :) |
| 14:18 | <annevk5> | also, those video sites prolly have their config optimized for streaming and such |
| 14:19 | <Philip`> | They have millions of viewers a day, you probably have about three, so you shouldn't need to worry too much about optimisation :-) |
| 14:19 | <annevk5> | we want to scale when it becomes a huge hit |
| 14:20 | <hasather> | annevk5: Dreamhost has some kind of converter in the web panel, see https://media.dreamhost.com/ Never tried it though |
| 14:20 | <annevk5> | anyway, we're using vimeo for now :) |
| 14:21 | <annevk5> | hasather, might be an idea for the future |
| 14:25 | <virtuelv> | Philip`: just those 409 views of that single video is quite a lot of bandwith |
| 14:27 | <Philip`> | virtuelv: Dreamhost apparently gives you 5TB/month, and it's nowhere near that much |
| 14:27 | <Philip`> | I expect it's at least six orders of magnitude more than you'd need :-p |
| 14:28 | <Philip`> | Wait, no I don't |
| 14:28 | <Philip`> | I can't do maths with numbers |
| 14:28 | <Philip`> | Four orders of magnitude, I think |
| 14:28 | <virtuelv> | Philip`: you'll be out of cpu cycles long before you can serve those 5TB |
| 14:28 | <virtuelv> | I have unlimited transfer and storage with them |
| 14:28 | <virtuelv> | ... in theory ... |
| 14:30 | Philip` | has a server with 5Mbit/sec connection and 1.5TB/month limit, and conveniently 5Mbit/sec * 2.6e6 sec/month = 1.5(6)TB/month, so it's basically unlimited |
| 14:31 | Hixie | now has officially "unlimited" bandwidth with his dreamhost account |
| 14:31 | <Hixie> | (and disk space) |
| 14:50 | <Hixie> | dbaron: the script just looks for alt, but if you want some other mechanism i can add one |
| 14:52 | <Hixie> | the code is: |
| 14:52 | <Hixie> | div.onclick = function (event) { |
| 14:52 | <Hixie> | if (event.detail == 2 && event.button == 0 && event.altKey) |
| 14:52 | <Hixie> | that.edit(true, null); |
| 14:52 | <Hixie> | } |
| 14:54 | <dbaron> | http://dbaron.org/tmp/mouse-events |
| 14:56 | Philip` | notes that that conflicts with KDE's interception of alt to do window moving, but ctrl+alt doesn't get intercepted and still triggers the onclick behaviour in the spec, so that's bearable |
| 14:57 | <virtuelv> | Hixie: assume you upgraded to a green server, then? |
| 14:57 | <Hixie> | i signed up to whatever they offered |
| 14:57 | <Hixie> | it basically boiled down to "removing nfs" |
| 14:57 | <Hixie> | which i am extremely happy for them to do |
| 14:58 | <Hixie> | the bandwidth/disk is a bonus i wouldn't have asked for :-) |
| 15:07 | <hsivonen> | does anyone already have the URL for my long SVG email? (the review of the SVG WG's) |
| 15:10 | <Hixie> | it's at the top of my reply, iirc |
| 15:25 | <gsnedders> | Real number algorithm is broken |
| 15:27 | <gsnedders> | No, I'm stupid |
| 15:35 | <annevk5> | oops, my rough TPAC notes end up on ajaxian :) |
| 15:37 | <smedero> | and: http://www.pacificspirit.com/blog/2008/10/23/distributed_extensibility_stays_alive_and_anne |
| 15:37 | <smedero> | though i suppose there is a traffic difference there |
| 15:38 | <annevk5> | oh yeah, Sam Ruby's blog too |
| 15:38 | <annevk5> | i guess that teaches me too not post at 4AM |
| 15:38 | <annevk5> | s/too/to/ |
| 15:39 | <smedero> | more: http://realtech.burningbird.net/web/page-markups/extensibility-and-markup-again-and-again |
| 15:42 | <annevk5> | ouch |
| 15:42 | <annevk5> | blog fallout |
| 15:42 | <annevk5> | :) |
| 15:42 | <smedero> | apparently people read these blog things |
| 15:43 | <annevk5> | they better read the news, that's actually reasonable and unbiased and such |
| 15:50 | <karlUshi> | annevk5: splash ;) |
| 16:49 | <Philip`> | Is there some way I can make a <pre contenteditable> act like a <textarea> so users can't insert any markup or doing anything except plain text? |
| 16:50 | <Philip`> | (while still allowing scripts to insert markup into it) |
| 21:47 | <hsivonen> | Hmm. Sam is caling data-* OPMLish over at burning bird |
| 21:53 | <Hixie> | is that an insult? or praise? |
| 21:59 | <hsivonen> | Hixie: definitely an insult |
| 22:01 | <hsivonen> | "OPML (the most horrific abuse of XML known to man)" -- http://planetapache.org/ |
| 22:02 | hsivonen | tries to find TP day minutes... |
| 22:03 | <Hixie> | aah |
| 22:03 | <Hixie> | i want AB and AC minutes |
| 22:08 | <hsivonen> | is there a logic to generated minute urls? |
| 22:08 | <hsivonen> | I don't find tp day minutes |
| 22:08 | <hsivonen> | I'd like to point peolpe to dbaron's question/point about the reader side of extensibility and Flash |
| 22:10 | <hsivonen> | aah http://www.w3.org/2008/10/22-tp-minutes.html |
| 22:11 | <hsivonen> | :-( dbaron got minuted poorly |
| 22:14 | <Hixie> | shocking |
| 22:15 | <hsivonen> | fortunately, the one of my sentences on the panel that invited the most negative feedback is not in minutes... |
| 22:15 | <Hixie> | hah |
| 22:38 | <Dashiva> | hsivonen: I'm sure it will be on lastweek soon enough :) |