| 04:21 | <raspberry-lemon> | does anyone here know what's up with accesskeys in html5? any chance they're making it back into the spec? |
| 05:32 | <Hixie> | raspberry-lemon: we're (i'm) not sure what to do with them |
| 05:32 | <Hixie> | raspberry-lemon: as implemented in browsers today and as defined in html4, they're a disaster |
| 05:39 | <raspberry-lemon> | Hixie: i see... reading up on the problems now |
| 05:42 | <raspberry-lemon> | i didn't even know they'd been removed from html5 before i tried to validate my wiki a few hours ago |
| 05:42 | <raspberry-lemon> | and had absolutely no idea the implementations were so bad.. |
| 05:48 | <Hixie> | basically they either are undiscoverable for users, or they clash with other existing shortcuts, or any number of other problems |
| 16:29 | <Lachy> | I don't get this post. http://yorksranter.wordpress.com/2008/12/21/fruit-of-the-poisoned-tree/ - it's quoted that Hixie quote from the last "This Week in HTML5" about onbeforeunload, and sent a pingback to the whatwg blog, but the Hixie quote seems to be completely unrelated to the post itself. |
| 16:49 | <Philip`> | Lachy: It seems the point is that there are fundamental flaws running through the whole system (of government and its handling of terrorism suspects / of scripting in HTML5), and it's really hard to fix ("I really have no idea how we would go about reversing this") because you can't fix a small piece of the problem without getting bogged down in the more fundamental problems that underlie it |
| 16:49 | <Dashiva> | Each attempted fix reveals a problem in a wider system, requiring an even more difficult fix |
| 17:00 | gsnedders | both has too much hair and too little hair |
| 17:01 | Philip` | wonders if gsnedders is referring only to hair on his head |
| 17:01 | gsnedders | is indeed referring only to hair on his head |
| 17:02 | Dashiva | wonders if the too much hair could be moved to the places with too little hair and create a balance |
| 17:03 | <gsnedders> | No, I have too much hair insofar as it gets in the way, and not enough insofar as I can't tie it back |
| 18:53 | <gsnedders> | Does anyone have a clue why http://gsnedders.com is so screwed in IE? |
| 18:56 | <Dashiva> | lang="en-gb-x-sneddy" |
| 18:57 | gsnedders | wonders whether to take Dashiva seriously |
| 18:58 | <gsnedders> | The DOM being produced is all that renders on screen |
| 19:03 | <Dashiva> | So all the unknown elements and their contents are missing. |
| 19:04 | <gsnedders> | Not all. |
| 19:04 | <gsnedders> | The pagination appears |
| 19:04 | <yecril71> | What Giovanni describes smells XHTML2. |
| 19:04 | <yecril71> | This is a good language for restricted purposes but it is not as good for being on the Web. |
| 19:05 | Lachy | suggests gsnedders shaves his hair all off, and that he shouldn't consider the ability to tie it back a goal |
| 19:05 | <Dashiva> | gsnedders: That's just a regular <p> isn't it? |
| 19:05 | <gsnedders> | Hmm, removing Document.createElement("header") fixes it all :\ |
| 19:06 | <gsnedders> | Dashiva: And it also seems to only be within divs, which goes against my memory of it :) |
| 19:06 | <gsnedders> | (well, not it all, but makes it all appear) |
| 19:06 | <Dashiva> | I have faith in my analysis :) |
| 19:11 | Philip` | wonders how hard it'll be to update his OCaml meta-tokeniser to match the current spec |
| 19:18 | Philip` | gets off to a bad start, since it appears he installed a new version of OCaml some time ago, and now all the libraries are incompatible and have to be reinstalled |
| 19:34 | <erlehmann> | on my site <http://dieweltistgarnichtso.net>; the footer element is only displayed when being enclosed in a div or something |
| 19:35 | <erlehmann> | anyone knows how to change that behaviour ? i mean its like arbitrary XML isnt rendered at all. |
| 19:35 | <erlehmann> | ah, i forgot: my browser is iceweasel 3 |
| 19:36 | <erlehmann> | but konqueror is unhappy too |
| 19:44 | <yecril71> | Internet Explorer says "Unknown file" and offers to save it to disk. |
| 19:55 | <yecril71> | And XHR throws "Access denied". |
| 20:01 | <yecril71> | (Because XHR does not support redirects) |
| 20:37 | <BenMillard> | any ideas why this <textarea> is not sized on both axes via CSS in Opera 9.63? Works in Firefox 2: http://projectcerbera.com/!dev/accessify/2008/viewtopic-12563 |
| 20:42 | <hsivonen> | Paged media is *hard*. I wish Prince was more affordable and had a GUI that showed the reformatted pages in near-real-time when tweaking the CSS or cropping images |
| 20:43 | <hsivonen> | Making a lot of changes to image layout in Word is drudgerous |
| 20:43 | <hsivonen> | Pages doesn't have Finnish hyphenation |
| 20:43 | <hsivonen> | In Design is incomprehensible without training |
| 20:48 | <Philip`> | How fun, the OCaml JSON parser doesn't understand surrogates and just throws an exception |
| 20:52 | Philip` | guesses he'll have to preprocess the file to turn escaped surrogates into UTF-8 byte sequences |
| 20:56 | <hsivonen> | one would think that laying out books with images on a computer were a solved problem by now... |
| 21:15 | <BenMillard> | hsivonen, I expect it is to people who are trained. :) |
| 21:17 | <hsivonen> | BenMillard: nope. my mother has previously bought the service from trained people, and it wasn't a solved problem then, either |
| 21:17 | <BenMillard> | oh |
| 21:19 | <hsivonen> | (experience suggests that a trained InDesign user who isn't the author of the text doesn't have the right idea of which images *must* go together with which text on one page) |
| 21:23 | hsivonen | is positively surprised that the ad in the $0 version of Prince has been toned down |
| 21:23 | <hsivonen> | s/version/mode/ |
| 23:55 | <Philip`> | [ ["Character", "txet>x lmth EPYTCOD!"], "ParseError", ["Character", "<"] ] |
| 23:55 | <Philip`> | Hmm, that doesn't quite look right |