| 03:34 | <heycam> | Hixie, in "8.2.1 Overview of the parsing model' it says that the tree construction stage is semantic analysis |
| 03:34 | <heycam> | to me that sounds more like syntactic analysis |
| 03:47 | <heycam> | "The insertion mode is a flag that controls the primary operation of the tree construction stage." i don't think it should be called a flag, since it has more than two states. |
| 04:59 | <Hixie> | heycam: send mail |
| 04:59 | <Hixie> | right now i'm between rdf and iframes |
| 04:59 | <heycam> | sounds fun... |
| 04:59 | <Hixie> | and the parser is far from my mind :-) |
| 09:32 | <yorick> | scrollbars on elements with draagable='true' have an unfortunate effect :/ |
| 13:49 | <Philip`> | http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2009Feb/0092.html - "If only there were a way for Google to use their own nicely scoped vocabulary, they wouldn't [ever convince any other search engines to use the same scoped name because it'll say "google" in it, so everyone will fragment into their own namespaces and it'll be a nightmare for authors who just want a simple feature that works everywhere]" |
| 15:37 | gsnedders | wonders what he should do next (academic) year |
| 15:37 | <gsnedders> | Go to uni, or take a gap year… |
| 16:00 | <gsnedders> | Anyone use Illustrator here? |
| 16:12 | <takkaria> | gsnedders: gap year |
| 16:16 | <gsnedders> | I have an SVG image, and I need to resize the viewbox so it matches up exactly with the content |
| 16:17 | Philip` | suggests opening it in an SVG editor, and clicking the button that makes it shrink the viewbox |
| 16:18 | gsnedders | can't find that button in Illustrator |
| 16:20 | Philip` | suggests opening it in another SVG editor, and clicking the button that makes it shrink the viewbox |
| 16:22 | gsnedders | doesn't have another SVG editor |
| 16:22 | <Philip`> | http://www.inkscape.org/ |
| 16:40 | <gsnedders> | \includegraphics[width=\linewidth]{Lens1.pdf} — that gives overful hbox, which makes no sense, because surely it shouldn't overflow when the width is that of the line? |
| 16:43 | <Philip`> | Who cares about overfull hboxes? Just check that it looks right in the PDF :-) |
| 16:43 | <gsnedders> | It doesn't. The graphic is wider than the text. |
| 16:43 | <Philip`> | In that case, just set [width=5in] or whatever until it looks right :-) |
| 16:44 | <gsnedders> | But \linewidth surely should work! |
| 16:45 | <Philip`> | If you want to go with the solution that should work rather than the solution that does work, that's your loss :-p |
| 16:45 | <gsnedders> | :P |
| 16:46 | <gsnedders> | Also: InkScape won't start |
| 16:48 | <gsnedders> | Philip`: Finally started, now, which button do I press? |
| 16:49 | <Philip`> | gsnedders: Uh, I don't know |
| 16:51 | <gsnedders> | You're useful :\ |
| 16:51 | <Philip`> | I suppose File -> Document Properties -> Fit page to selection should work in theory |
| 16:52 | <gsnedders> | I don't get any menus. |
| 16:52 | <Philip`> | and it works in practice on one out of two files I tested |
| 16:52 | <Philip`> | Uh, no menus? |
| 16:53 | <Philip`> | Not even at the top of the application window? |
| 16:53 | <gsnedders> | Installing Inkscape has fucked up X |
| 16:53 | <Philip`> | That probably shouldn't happen |
| 16:54 | <Philip`> | (You could use shift+ctrl+D instead of the menu) |
| 16:55 | <Philip`> | (except maybe it's not ctrl on weird OSes) |
| 16:55 | gsnedders | manages to unfuck X |
| 16:57 | <gsnedders> | That shrinks the selection by the same amount too |
| 16:58 | <Philip`> | It did that in one of the files I tested, but not the other one :-/ |
| 16:59 | <Philip`> | At least it should probably tell you how many pixels the shrunk document is, which saves you two variables if you edit the viewbox by hand and try to guess what the values should be |
| 17:00 | Philip` | wonders why it sometimes shrinks the document... |
| 17:00 | <gsnedders> | @viewBox |
| 17:00 | <gsnedders> | If there is an @viewBox, it shrinks the doc |
| 17:01 | <Philip`> | Ah |
| 17:01 | <MikeSmith> | sorry, to interrupt, but anybody know if there's a way to search mozilla-central checkins per-developer/committer? |
| 17:01 | <MikeSmith> | +1 to gsnedders for usage of the work "unfuck", btw |
| 17:02 | <gsnedders> | w00t |
| 17:02 | <gsnedders> | It works! |
| 17:04 | <Philip`> | Oh, how dull |
| 17:05 | <gsnedders> | Also, overfull hbox caused by paragraph indent+graphic width |
| 17:05 | <gsnedders> | So, \noindent\includegraphics[width=\linewidth]{Lens1.pdf} |
| 17:05 | <MikeSmith> | that doesn't look like HTML |
| 17:05 | <Philip`> | gsnedders: You could put the graphic in a \begin{figure} rather than a paragraph |
| 17:06 | <gsnedders> | MikeSmith: Who ever said we discussed HTML in here? That's be logical. You're meant to leave that at the door |
| 17:06 | <gsnedders> | Philip`: That's boring. |
| 17:06 | Philip` | looks at the giant overflowing pile of logic just outside the door, and hopes he'll be able to find his own logic when he goes to retrieve it before heading home |
| 17:23 | <gsnedders> | takkaria: A gap year doing what? |
| 17:24 | <wilhelm> | I spent mine reading and studying on my own. (c: |
| 17:24 | <gsnedders> | wilhelm: But how convincing it that to a university? :) |
| 17:25 | <wilhelm> | I never attended one. |
| 17:26 | <gsnedders> | wilhelm: See, that's your advantage :) |
| 17:28 | gsnedders | wonders whether he could pull off a wilhelm and get hired by Opera :) |
| 17:29 | <Philip`> | Do you really want a job rather than another three years of being a lazy student? :-) |
| 17:31 | <gsnedders> | Philip`: Well, of the places I have offers for, one is a four year degree, and the other a five year degree :) |
| 17:31 | <gsnedders> | Philip`: Besides, I can take a gap year and end up somewhere nicer :P |
| 17:32 | <gsnedders> | Philip`: And, y'know, go to uni at a normal age? |
| 17:32 | <Philip`> | gsnedders: Oh, uh, I meant three years of being a lazy student interspersed with a year or two of thinking about maybe doing some work |
| 17:32 | <gsnedders> | Philip`: No, you're still wrong. |
| 17:32 | <gsnedders> | :) |
| 17:32 | <Philip`> | "normal" is subjective :-) |
| 17:33 | <gsnedders> | Philip`: Both are MPhys degrees, which is normally in England four years, and in Scotland five. |
| 17:33 | <gsnedders> | Philip`: (I could, of course, just get a BSc which would be a year shorter) |
| 17:33 | <gsnedders> | Philip`: But then I wouldn't be a Jedi Master |
| 17:33 | <gsnedders> | Philip`: Sorry, Physics Master |
| 17:33 | <Philip`> | Get a PhD and then you wouldn't have to care about BSc vs MPhys :-) |
| 17:34 | <gsnedders> | Philip`: That means doing real academia, which having a father doing such things has put me off :) |
| 17:35 | <Philip`> | It doesn't seem that real to me |
| 17:37 | <gsnedders> | Are <pre>foo\nbar</pre> and <pre>foo<br>bar</pre> semantically the same? |
| 17:43 | <takkaria> | gap years are good |
| 17:43 | <takkaria> | non-gap years are also good |
| 17:44 | <takkaria> | if you do a gap year, find something to do. it doesn't really matter what, but jobs are a popular chat |
| 17:44 | <takkaria> | er, choice |
| 17:44 | <annevk> | http://www.w3.org/2009/02/13-hcg-minutes.html is interesting regarding the normalization thread, to bad it's fricking Member-only |
| 17:44 | <takkaria> | and you get some more money and some experience of the real world, as it were |
| 17:44 | <MikeSmith> | hcg is a member-only list, I think |
| 17:45 | <gsnedders> | hcg? |
| 17:45 | <Philip`> | annevk: Post it to Wikileaks |
| 17:45 | <gsnedders> | takkaria: This is an interesting time to try and get a job :) |
| 17:45 | <MikeSmith> | anyway, since when does anything interesting happen on the HCG calls? |
| 17:45 | <takkaria> | gsnedders: it's always an interesting time to try and get a job :) |
| 17:46 | <MikeSmith> | if there's some controversy, I guess maybe I should actually call into them |
| 17:46 | <annevk> | there were some comments about actual usage today |
| 17:46 | <gsnedders> | Still, what's HCG? |
| 17:46 | <Philip`> | gsnedders: Human chorionic gonadotropin |
| 17:46 | <wilhelm> | There was some discussion on testing on the last call that was interesting. |
| 17:46 | gsnedders | slaps Philip` |
| 17:46 | <MikeSmith> | gsnedders: Hypertext Coordination Group |
| 17:46 | <gsnedders> | MikeSmith: ah |
| 17:47 | <MikeSmith> | chairs and team contacts from various groups, including HTML WG, WebApps WG, CSS, SVG, ... |
| 17:47 | <gsnedders> | MikeSmith: If they call in :D |
| 17:48 | <MikeSmith> | well, the fact that it's at 11pm/12pm on Friday night each week kinda makes it less that ideal |
| 17:51 | <gsnedders> | heh |
| 17:53 | <MikeSmith> | gsnedders: you're welcome to call in for me |
| 17:53 | <MikeSmith> | in place of me |
| 17:53 | <MikeSmith> | just pretend you're really tired, and drunk |
| 17:53 | <MikeSmith> | and belligerent |
| 17:53 | <gsnedders> | MikeSmith: But I'm not a member, so I can't get at anything related to it. Nor do I intend to :P |
| 17:53 | <MikeSmith> | nobody will notice the differenc |
| 17:54 | <gsnedders> | :D |
| 17:55 | <TheOtherMikeSmit> | Damnot! |
| 17:55 | <TheOtherMikeSmit> | Nick is too long :\ |
| 17:55 | <MikeTMSmith> | This'll work! |
| 17:56 | <MikeTMSmith> | No, where's that fucktard gone :) |
| 17:59 | <MikeSmith> | what the hell kind of expression is "Damnot"? |
| 17:59 | <gsnedders> | It's damnit, just spelt wrong. |
| 17:59 | <gsnedders> | I mean, I'm drunk and can't type :) |
| 17:59 | <jcranmer> | I always preferred dammit over damnit |
| 18:00 | <MikeSmith> | goddammit even better |
| 18:00 | <Philip`> | I like to dam my nits |
| 18:00 | <gsnedders> | What about dangnamit? |
| 18:00 | <jcranmer> | damn it - 1 definition - Another example of how idiots spell "dammit." |
| 18:01 | <jcranmer> | gsnedders: I've always had dang-nab-it |
| 18:01 | <annevk> | gsnedders, your draft points to /tr/html/ which points to xhtml1 |
| 18:01 | <gsnedders> | annevk: I know, I noticed that myself shortly after sending |
| 18:01 | <gsnedders> | annevk: I've been working on physics project ever since I sent that email |
| 18:35 | <jruderman> | i thought it was dag-nab-it |
| 18:37 | <jcranmer> | jruderman: dang-nab-it, don't contradict me! |
| 18:37 | <jruderman> | hehe |
| 18:42 | <Philip`> | The OED only has "dagnabbit, dagnabit" |
| 18:42 | <Philip`> | though it also has "dang" |
| 21:52 | gsnedders | could do with an SVG version of the visible light spectrum |
| 21:55 | <jcranmer> | … too low frequency |*| too high frequency …, where * is a red-orange-yellow-green-blue-violet gradient that's too small to see <-- ascii art version |
| 21:56 | <gsnedders> | That isn't quite SVG, though |
| 21:56 | <gsnedders> | (Oh, and sorry for making you feel old, again) |
| 21:57 | jcranmer | shakes his cane at gsnedders |
| 21:57 | gsnedders | wonders if jcranmer is a dom… |
| 21:57 | gsnedders | wonders why else jcranmer might have that cane |
| 21:58 | <Philip`> | gsnedders: Why SVG? |
| 21:59 | <gsnedders> | Philip`: I need some good open vector format |
| 21:59 | <jcranmer> | VML? |
| 21:59 | <gsnedders> | Philip`: That is easily editable |
| 21:59 | <gsnedders> | jcranmer: I don't have anything that can read VML, so no. |
| 21:59 | <jcranmer> | Microsoft Office? |
| 21:59 | <gsnedders> | OK, I guess I do. |
| 22:00 | <Philip`> | gsnedders: I think the typically unchanging physical nature of the visible light spectrum should mean you won't really have to edit it |
| 22:00 | <gsnedders> | Philip`: It's my need to recontextualize it |
| 23:30 | gsnedders | should really update the photo he uses of him online |
| 23:36 | <Philip`> | Replace it with an SVG version |