| 10:22 | <Hixie> | crap, misentered the url in the recent twitter |
| 10:22 | <Hixie> | hm.. how do i set up a redirect on wordpress... |
| 10:23 | <Lachy> | Hixie, .htaccess |
| 10:24 | <Hixie> | can you set one up? i think the blog is under your account |
| 10:24 | <Hixie> | oh hey |
| 10:24 | <Hixie> | it works already |
| 10:24 | <Hixie> | that's awesome |
| 10:24 | <Lachy> | do you mean this link http://blog.whatwg.org/?p=659 ? |
| 10:25 | <Hixie> | no i meant "http://blog.whatwg.org/help-us-review-htm";, but it automatically forwards it already |
| 10:25 | <Hixie> | so no need |
| 10:26 | <Lachy> | ah, I looked at the Hixie twitter acct, not the whatwg one |
| 10:27 | <Hixie> | following discussions on twitter is night on impossible |
| 10:27 | <Hixie> | i've no idea wtf gsnedders and cwilso are talking about |
| 10:27 | <Hixie> | and i follow them both |
| 10:27 | <Lachy> | the way WP has been set up is to treat blog.whatwg.org/(.*) as the title, and then it just searches the db for the closest match |
| 10:27 | <Hixie> | so you'd think i'd be able to work it out |
| 10:27 | <Hixie> | Lachy: indeed |
| 10:28 | <Lachy> | I generally don't follow twitter conversations much |
| 10:28 | <Lachy> | I would follow more if I could get tircd working, but I can't get my IRC client to connect to it properly |
| 10:28 | <Hixie> | oh? |
| 10:29 | <Hixie> | what does it do? |
| 10:29 | <Hixie> | i don't see why x-chat would fail |
| 10:29 | <Hixie> | you're joining the #twitter channel? |
| 10:29 | <Hixie> | and sending it the password? |
| 10:30 | <Lachy> | yes. X-Chat just says "Connected. Now logging in...", but never proceeds any further. |
| 10:30 | <Hixie> | what does tircd's console say? |
| 10:31 | <Lachy> | it gives an error. I will try now and see |
| 10:32 | <Lachy> | $ ./tircd.pl tircd.cfg |
| 10:32 | <Lachy> | [Sun Apr 5 11:36:23 2009] tircd 0.7 started, using config from: tircd.cfg. |
| 10:32 | <Lachy> | [Sun Apr 5 11:36:23 2009] Listening on: 127.0.0.1:6667. |
| 10:32 | <Lachy> | [Sun Apr 5 11:36:33 2009] 127.0.0.1 connected. |
| 10:32 | <Lachy> | [Sun Apr 5 11:36:51 2009] [Lachy] 127.0.0.1 disconnected. |
| 10:32 | <Lachy> | [Sun Apr 5 11:36:51 2009] [Lachy] storage_path is not set or is not writable, not saving configuration. |
| 10:32 | <Hixie> | i wonder why xchat is disconnecting |
| 10:33 | <Hixie> | you sure you got the right password? |
| 10:33 | <Lachy> | I disconnected it myself, cause otherwise it just sits there doing nothing forever |
| 10:33 | <Hixie> | oh |
| 10:33 | <Lachy> | I've left if go for several minutes on previous attempts with no luck |
| 10:33 | <Hixie> | after it says logging in, if you type /motd, or /join #twitter, what happens? |
| 10:34 | <gsnedders> | Hixie: fail. |
| 10:34 | <Hixie> | gsnedders: ? |
| 10:34 | <gsnedders> | Hixie: We're talking about what @karlpro said |
| 10:34 | <gsnedders> | But he says a lot so that might not help :) |
| 10:34 | <Hixie> | i figured that out, but couldn't work out what karl had said |
| 10:36 | <Lachy> | [11:39] * - tircd Message of the Day - |
| 10:36 | <Lachy> | [11:39] * - This code is uber alpha, if you got this far, consider yourself lucky |
| 10:36 | <Lachy> | [11:39] * - |
| 10:36 | <Lachy> | [11:39] * - /join #twitter to get started! |
| 10:36 | <Lachy> | [11:39] * - |
| 10:36 | <Lachy> | [11:39] * - /stats to set configurable options. |
| 10:36 | <Lachy> | [11:39] * - |
| 10:36 | <Lachy> | [11:39] * - Please submit bug reports here: http://code.google.com/p/tircd/issues/list |
| 10:36 | <Lachy> | [11:39] * - |
| 10:36 | <Lachy> | [11:39] * - Thanks for using tircd, |
| 10:36 | <Lachy> | [11:39] * - |
| 10:36 | <Lachy> | [11:39] * - @tircd on twitter. <tircd⊙co> |
| 10:36 | <Lachy> | [11:39] * End of /MOTD command. |
| 10:36 | <Hixie> | and did you try /join #twitter? |
| 10:36 | <Lachy> | [11:39] * NICKSERV :Unable to send direct message. Perhaps NICKSERV isn't following you? |
| 10:36 | <Lachy> | [11:39] * Disconnected (Remote host closed socket). |
| 10:36 | <Lachy> | yes |
| 10:36 | <Hixie> | why are you sending a msg to NICKSERV? |
| 10:37 | <Hixie> | if you get the motd, as you do, that means you are connecting properly |
| 10:37 | <Lachy> | [Sun Apr 5 11:41:30 2009] 127.0.0.1 connected. |
| 10:37 | <Lachy> | Can't call method "http_code" on an undefined value at ./tircd.pl line 910. |
| 10:37 | <Lachy> | $ |
| 10:37 | <Hixie> | o_O |
| 10:37 | <Hixie> | interesting |
| 10:37 | Hixie | looks at tircd.pl line 910 |
| 10:38 | <Lachy> | I have x-chat setup to automatically send the password, and it must be trying /msg nickserv with it by default |
| 10:38 | <Hixie> | that's not the kind of password you should be sending |
| 10:38 | <Lachy> | that's how it works with freednode at least |
| 10:38 | <Hixie> | you should be sending an IRC password, not a nick services password |
| 10:39 | <Lachy> | oh, ok. |
| 10:39 | <Lachy> | now it works |
| 10:39 | <Hixie> | :-) |
| 10:40 | jgraham | is thoroughly confused about InCoreignContent and isn't sure if he is silly or if the spec is broken |
| 10:40 | <jgraham> | *InForeignContent |
| 10:40 | <Hixie> | spec could definitely be broken |
| 10:40 | <Lachy> | it still complains about storage_path not being writable. Maybe I need to set that to something different in the cfg file |
| 10:40 | <jgraham> | I think waht hsivonen says about making foreigness a flag makes sense |
| 10:40 | <Hixie> | Lachy: i just ignored that message |
| 10:41 | <Hixie> | jgraham: it would be helpful to see an example showing that the two ways of speccing it aren't black-box identical |
| 10:41 | <jgraham> | The case that html5lib chokes on at the mometn is like <svg><foreignContent><table></table></foreignContent><g></g> |
| 10:41 | <Lachy> | ok |
| 10:42 | <Hixie> | jgraham: send me a mail, i'll have a look at some point |
| 10:42 | <jgraham> | Because the <table> changes the insertion mode to InTable so the <g> is processed InBody, notInForeignContent |
| 10:42 | <Lachy> | now I just need to figure out how to make tircd.pl run automatically on startup, instead of requiring me to start it manually in terminal |
| 10:43 | <Hixie> | use a launchd script |
| 10:43 | <Lachy> | how? |
| 10:43 | <jgraham> | Hixie: You a mail or WHATWG or public-html or… |
| 10:43 | <jgraham> | Maybe I should start twittering bugs. It seems to be what all the cool kids are doing |
| 10:44 | <Hixie> | jgraham: whichever (direct mail if you want me to just look at it and say if it's a spec bug or not) |
| 10:44 | <Hixie> | Lachy: hold o |
| 10:44 | <Hixie> | n |
| 10:45 | <Hixie> | Lachy: put a file in ~/Library/LaunchAgents |
| 10:45 | <Hixie> | google for the syntax |
| 10:45 | <Hixie> | i don't seem to have ever done an on-boot one |
| 10:46 | <Hixie> | only cronjob-like things |
| 10:46 | <Lachy> | ok. I'll look into that later |
| 10:47 | <Lachy> | right now, I have to organise my trip to London and Paris next week |
| 10:47 | <Hixie> | nn |
| 10:48 | <jgraham> | Hixie: Mail sent. Goodnight |
| 10:53 | <jgraham> | Lachy: Londaon and Paris? Now you're just showing off |
| 10:56 | <Lachy> | jgraham, the coach tour to Paris departs from London. But I wanted to go to London anyway to see my friends there |
| 10:56 | <jgraham> | Oh, OK if you're going on a coach tour it just makes you sound old :) |
| 10:59 | <Lachy> | the tour should be too full of old people. It's going to Euro Disney, so I expect families will be on it |
| 13:27 | <gsnedders> | I want to go out somewhere and read a book. Only issue: I can't decide where to go. |
| 13:34 | <Dashiva> | The library |
| 13:36 | <gsnedders> | That's indoors. |
| 13:36 | <gsnedders> | And I think shut. |
| 13:37 | <Dashiva> | The lawn in front of the library then |
| 13:37 | <gsnedders> | There isn't one. |
| 13:37 | <gsnedders> | n00b |
| 13:37 | <Dashiva> | The lawn L satisfying min(d(L,library)) |
| 13:38 | <gsnedders> | http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=st+andrews,+fife&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=25.146196,39.550781&ie=UTF8&ll=56.3397,-2.795996&spn=0.001432,0.002414&t=h&z=19 |
| 13:38 | <gsnedders> | The library is the building in the middle of that picture |
| 13:38 | <gavin_> | I see lawns on that map |
| 13:38 | <Dashiva> | Looks like a great lawn by the bus stop |
| 13:39 | <gsnedders> | Me too. But several are in church yard and aren't open. |
| 13:39 | <gsnedders> | That's a private garden. |
| 13:39 | <gavin_> | doesn't look very private to me |
| 13:39 | <gsnedders> | And the nearest lawn I could sit on <http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=st+andrews,+fife&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=25.146196,39.550781&ie=UTF8&ll=56.338778,-2.798131&spn=0.001432,0.002414&t=h&z=19>; is technically school ground and thus depressing |
| 13:46 | gsnedders | heads off, intending to go to the beach, but maybe will just sit around on the Old Course isntead |
| 13:46 | <gsnedders> | *instead |
| 13:46 | <gsnedders> | (It is common ground on a Sunday) |
| 13:48 | <gsnedders> | (Legally it is common ground all the time, it's just golf is forbidden (by law) on a Sunday) |
| 19:21 | <Hixie> | jgraham: i assume you meant <foreignObject> not <foreignContent> |
| 19:24 | <Hixie> | hsivonen: i don't really understand how a flag for foreign content would work. Wouldn't it just be like having a second "state" which was either "foreign" or "whatever the secondary mode is", with the secondary mode being what the insertion mode is now? |
| 19:24 | <Hixie> | what's the benefit of doing it that way? |
| 19:25 | <Hixie> | it seems like you end up with an extra "if" statement per token |
| 19:27 | gsnedders | is failing to work out what to write as a final sentence of his Englsih dissertation |
| 19:28 | <Hixie> | i recommend not writing it like that sentence |
| 19:28 | <gsnedders> | That, on the whole, is a good idea. |
| 19:42 | <jgraham> | Hixie: Yes, I meant foreignObject |
| 19:42 | <Hixie> | i replied to the e-mail |
| 19:43 | <jgraham> | Hixie: Yeah, I saw, thanks |
| 19:47 | <jgraham> | Tip for browser developers: if search can't find a string in a document, it probably also won't finda longer string for which that is a substring |
| 19:51 | <jgraham> | Woo. html5lib passes the tiny number of foreign content tests |
| 19:51 | <jgraham> | (it turned out that the least bug was a missing break statement) |
| 19:52 | <jgraham> | *last |
| 20:01 | <gsnedders> | This is horrible. |
| 20:02 | <gsnedders> | How can I end 4,500 words? |
| 20:03 | <svl> | "Rocks fall, everbody dies"? |
| 20:09 | <Philip`> | "And then I woke up." |
| 20:12 | <Dashiva> | Exeunt omnes |
| 20:12 | <jgraham> | QED |
| 20:13 | <jgraham> | gsnedders: What is the second-to-last sentence? |
| 20:14 | <gsnedders> | well, provided the absolute final paragraph doesn't become more than one sentence: |
| 20:14 | <gsnedders> | "The outcome of the other loves and lusts of Van are never given, though may well be equally morbid. Lucette's suicide does not stop Van and Ada's love: it brings them back together after their father banishing them from each other, for their love to continue unabated, with all the passion it had prior to their separation." |
| 20:15 | <Philip`> | You could replace the ':' with a '.', and then your second-to-last sentence would become two sentences and therefore would provide the last sentence. |
| 20:15 | <gsnedders> | That would only make a statement about one of the three texts though |
| 20:16 | <jgraham> | Alternatively go with "Which would never happen in reality, so proving how silly the whole thing is." |
| 20:17 | <jgraham> | (Actully it sounds like you could just stop it there. Unless you were tring to make some oher point in which case you should consider mentioning that) |
| 20:18 | <gsnedders> | This is why I dislike several hundred word conclusions: I never know how to conclude them. |
| 20:21 | <gsnedders> | I dislike what I just wrote as it results in a final page with one word. |
| 20:21 | <gsnedders> | "The destructiveness of the relationships within all three novels is ultimately caused by the idealistically perfect love that the protagonists thrive upon: in an age-old romantic novel, love would prevail; in these novels, all does not end well." |
| 20:22 | <gsnedders> | Right, now at 5,339 words. |
| 20:23 | <gsnedders> | (Limit is 4,500) |
| 20:39 | <noocx> | hi |
| 20:39 | <Philip`> | Hello |
| 20:39 | <noocx> | can you tell me where should i find ui experts who knows faceted classification? |
| 20:40 | Philip` | can't, since he has no idea what it is |
| 20:41 | <noocx> | http://flamenco.berkeley.edu |
| 20:41 | <Philip`> | This probably isn't the right channel for that kind of thing |
| 20:42 | <noocx> | yes, that's why i asked |
| 20:48 | <jgraham> | gsnedders: If you have to cut 1000 words, it seems silly to worry about the aesthetics of the final page layout at this stage :) |
| 20:48 | <gsnedders> | jgraham: That's why I'm not caring at this stage :) |
| 20:48 | <gsnedders> | jgraham: I also need to reset the entire thing in Times New Roman, 12pt, ragged right, for some reason best known to the SQA. |
| 20:48 | <jgraham> | noocx: why do you think this channel is the right place to find the people who do know abou that kind of thing? |
| 20:48 | <noocx> | jgraham: found on google:D |
| 20:48 | <jgraham> | gsnedders: Also: start cutting words and then reread the ending. Once you have condensed your essay and reduced the repetition, you you will have a much clearer idea of what your essay is about and how to summarise it |
| 20:48 | <jgraham> | noocx:Ironically if Google were perfect people presumably wouldn't be working on novel search interfaces |
| 20:48 | jgraham | waits for Philip` to point out that that isn't really true |
| 20:50 | <Philip`> | Are you assuming people never reinvent wheels? |
| 20:50 | <gsnedders> | But I thought all shapes already had a name! |
| 21:08 | gsnedders | sighs |
| 21:08 | <gsnedders> | getting my mother to use a computer is highly stressful |