| 11:31 | <krijnh> | Oh hai |
| 13:53 | <krijn> | Start logging you! |
| 13:53 | <krijnh> | :( |
| 13:53 | <krijn> | Let's see how long it lasts |
| 13:54 | <Lachy> | hey, it's working now |
| 13:54 | <krijn> | Yeah, the magic part |
| 13:54 | <krijn> | :) |
| 13:55 | <Lachy> | have you always been running krijn and krijnh as separate users? I thought the logging used to be done on the same machine you used |
| 13:56 | <krijn> | No, usually I'm not here |
| 13:58 | <Lachy> | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/07/03/funny-pictures-sky-hmm/ |
| 13:58 | <Lachy> | :-D |
| 14:12 | <karlcow> | [03:26] <MikeSmith> about the future-of-XHTML confusion, maybe it would help for someone in the group to edit a "XHTML5 and HTML5" Note to make things clear |
| 14:12 | <karlcow> | I'm 30% through. I hope to have finish tonight (Montreal time). |
| 14:13 | <MikeSmith> | karlcow: excellent |
| 14:26 | <Dashiva> | Maybe someone could volunteer to provide gap logs for whenever krinj falls out of the channel |
| 14:43 | <krijn> | Yeah, if anybody has the log for the last day(s), just e-mail them to me |
| 16:01 | <MikeSmith> | hsivonen: you planning to announce/blog about html5.enable support in nightlies? |
| 16:02 | <MikeSmith> | (since I notice it's already been mentioned on the whatwg list) |
| 16:14 | <gsnedders> | MikeSmith: Was your "for now" answer meaning until chaals in back? |
| 16:45 | <MikeSmith> | gsnedders: yeah |
| 17:09 | <hsivonen> | MikeSmith: yes, when comment end bang is on mozilla-central |
| 17:13 | <MikeSmith> | hsivonen: OK, I saw that you had checked that into v.nu repository |
| 17:15 | <hsivonen> | MikeSmith: can't do the same with m-c without r&sr |
| 17:35 | <sayrer_> | MikeSmith: so I have anolis spitting out a document that looks like a w3c working draft. It's not clear to me which software changes the dates and/or formats it to look like an editor's draft |
| 17:35 | <sayrer_> | do you know? |
| 17:36 | <MikeSmith> | sayrer_: about anolis, gsnedders would be the one to ask |
| 17:36 | <sayrer_> | oh, right, sorry |
| 17:36 | <MikeSmith> | but basically, it just needs to point at the ED CSS stylesheet |
| 17:37 | <sayrer_> | oh ok |
| 17:37 | <Lachy> | hsivonen, when did the html5.enable pref get added to Firefox nightles? |
| 17:37 | <MikeSmith> | http://www.w3.org/StyleSheets/TR/W3C-ED |
| 17:38 | <sayrer_> | MikeSmith: also, you asked me to create a new directory in the repo. you want it next to /html-design-principles etc? |
| 17:38 | <hsivonen> | Lachy: on Monday |
| 17:39 | <sayrer_> | don't want to create a directory in the wrong place, since cvs is pretty defective with misplaced directories |
| 17:45 | <MikeSmith> | sayrer_: yep, next to html-design-principles/ etc. |
| 17:53 | <gsnedders> | sayrer_: Yeah, as MikeSmith says, it needs to point to the style sheet. There is one option that exists for compatibility with the CSS WG's postprocessor which tries to work out what style sheet to use, but it's a really fucked up whacky algorithm. |
| 17:53 | <sayrer_> | gsnedders: is that -w3c-crazy? |
| 17:53 | <gsnedders> | (Basically, you don't want to use it.) |
| 17:53 | <gsnedders> | sayyeah |
| 17:53 | <gsnedders> | sayrer_: yeah, even |
| 17:54 | <sayrer_> | ok, what about the date substittutions? |
| 17:54 | <gsnedders> | sayrer_: They should work from [DATE] |
| 17:54 | <sayrer_> | oh, maybe my header file is a little jacked up |
| 17:54 | <sayrer_> | ok |
| 17:54 | <gsnedders> | (or [CDATE], or [YEAR]) |
| 17:54 | <gsnedders> | sayrer_: Got a copy of it online anywhere? |
| 17:54 | <sayrer_> | not yet |
| 17:55 | <gsnedders> | [DATE: foo] should also work |
| 17:55 | <sayrer_> | installing lxml on OS X |
| 17:55 | <sayrer_> | not so fun |
| 17:55 | <gsnedders> | I think, again for compat, it allows [DATE, followed by anything, until ] |
| 17:55 | <gsnedders> | sayrer_: http://pimpmyspec.net exists too |
| 17:55 | <sayrer_> | I tried it, but it timed out |
| 17:55 | gsnedders | blames jgraham |
| 17:55 | <sayrer_> | so I went for local anolis |
| 17:55 | <sayrer_> | it's working now |
| 17:56 | <sayrer_> | the recipe to build with macports libxml actually works |
| 17:56 | <sayrer_> | unlike every other page I found on the internet |
| 17:56 | <gsnedders> | heh |
| 17:56 | <gsnedders> | I remember having fun at TPAC getting it to work on Marcos's laptop |
| 17:57 | <gsnedders> | (Whereas I have always had macports installed on the computers I use) |
| 17:57 | <sayrer_> | I have macports, just not libxml |
| 17:57 | <sayrer_> | er, had |
| 17:57 | <sayrer_> | so it wasn't too bad |
| 17:57 | <gsnedders> | I have other things that have libxml as a dep :) |
| 17:58 | <sayrer_> | I've heard there are projects using it :) |
| 17:58 | <gsnedders> | Just a couple :) |
| 17:58 | gsnedders | goes back to less productive stuff like writing in his diary |
| 18:00 | <hober> | Hixie: which major mode do you use for editing the spec? |
| 18:31 | <hsivonen> | looks like the decision to pull the plug on the XHTML2 WG boosted HTML5 questions on stackoverflow |
| 18:51 | <Lachy> | I wonder if that means there were people previously stiill unsure about whether XHTML2 was relevant or not? |
| 19:23 | <syp_> | Hixie: about DOMTokenList, maybe the spec should mention how to deal with empty string tokens, like raising INVALID_CHARACTER_ERR. |
| 21:43 | <Hixie> | hober: text-mode |
| 21:43 | <Hixie> | syp_: send mail please :-) |
| 22:31 | <Lachy> | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/07/decoding-the-html-5-video-codec-debate.ars |
| 22:32 | <Lachy> | that's one of the best articles about the video codec issues I've read recently |