| 01:24 | <cardona507> | TabAtkins - Hello - hows it goin? - have you had a chance to post the CSS video you filmed at TPAC? |
| 01:36 | <TabAtkins> | cardona507: Hey, thanks for reminding me! TBL sent me the raw video on Saturday, so now I need to rerecord my screencapture to go along with it, then send it back to him for editting. |
| 01:36 | <TabAtkins> | I'll do that tonight. |
| 01:40 | <cardona507> | cool |
| 03:46 | <MikeSmith> | Hixie: I'm at the IETF hybi session, getting ready to talk |
| 03:47 | <MikeSmith> | Ian Fette's here too, and john fallows |
| 03:47 | <MikeSmith> | also Chris Blizzard |
| 03:48 | <MikeSmith> | so.. I'm not planning to say much but instead will let them do most of the talking |
| 03:49 | <MikeSmith> | I have only a 15-minute slot |
| 03:50 | <MikeSmith> | wasn't thinking I could skype you in if you wanted |
| 03:50 | <MikeSmith> | so ping me when you're back around |
| 03:52 | <Hixie> | MikeSmith: here, but no skype |
| 03:52 | <MikeSmith> | Ok |
| 03:53 | <MikeSmith> | well, I may try to post some notes here during the session |
| 03:55 | <Hixie> | MikeSmith: i'm listening to the audio stream |
| 03:55 | <MikeSmith> | ah great |
| 03:55 | <othermaciej> | hey MikeSmith |
| 03:55 | <MikeSmith> | othermaciej: hey |
| 03:56 | <Hixie> | and i'm on the jabber channel |
| 03:56 | <othermaciej> | MikeSmith: if no one else mentions it (even though I told a number of people), you can tell them that Apple supports the formation of a Working Group for the WebSocket Protocol and would be willing to join |
| 03:57 | <othermaciej> | I sadly have to head out now but perhaps I shall join jabber if things are still going in an hour |
| 03:57 | <MikeSmith> | othermaciej: cool, ok, will do |
| 03:57 | <Hixie> | according to the agenda they'll have barely gotten started in an hour |
| 03:57 | othermaciej | feels a little overloaded on standards, especially on bickering about them, after the TPAC week |
| 03:58 | <Hixie> | yeah really |
| 03:58 | Hixie | is gonna take a few days off |
| 03:59 | <othermaciej> | in retrospect I should have stayed out of the mailing list kerfuffles right after |
| 05:20 | <Michelangelo> | back |
| 06:20 | <MikeSmith> | hi tkent |
| 07:24 | <hsivonen> | scary. my screen just went pink. |
| 07:24 | <hsivonen> | then I touched the DVI cable and it became normal again |
| 07:24 | <hsivonen> | how can a digital connection have that kind of failure mode? |
| 07:25 | <Hixie> | DVI is also analogue |
| 07:25 | <Hixie> | maybe your monitor is using the analogue signal |
| 07:26 | <hsivonen> | I very much doubt Apple would do that |
| 07:26 | <hsivonen> | I have an Apple display connected to a Mac using Apple cables |
| 07:57 | <jgraham> | hsivonen: Different colour channels seem to be on different pins so it doesn't seem like an impossible failure mode |
| 08:05 | <hsivonen> | jgraham: ok. makes sense |
| 08:19 | <hsivonen> | I'm confused about the X3D folks talking about text/html and EXI simultaneously |
| 08:19 | <hsivonen> | are X3D models typically small enough to fit in text/html or big enough to need EXI? |
| 08:19 | <hsivonen> | or do they come in both sizes? |
| 08:38 | <hsivonen> | what does it mean to be a member of the accessibility TF compared to being just a WG participant? |
| 08:39 | <hsivonen> | ah 6 to 8 hours per month |
| 08:53 | <Hixie> | othermaciej: any idea why the screensaver might have started asking for "the name and password of a user in the "(null)" group"? (and then not accepting any user names and passwords?) |
| 08:55 | <othermaciej> | Hixie: no idea |
| 08:56 | <othermaciej> | Hixie: I assume you mean the OS X screensaver? |
| 08:56 | <ment> | why is "¬is;" tokenized as "¬is;" and not like any other non-defined entity name? (just copying "¬is;" to output) |
| 08:57 | <gsnedders|work> | There's no such entity as notis; |
| 08:57 | <hsivonen> | ment: because of backwards compat with ¬ |
| 08:57 | <gsnedders|work> | And there is an entity not |
| 08:58 | <gsnedders|work> | So the longest matching entity of "notis;" is "not". |
| 08:58 | <ment> | hmm, so good-bye hash-tables, hello tries |
| 08:58 | <Hixie> | othermaciej: yeah |
| 08:59 | <hsivonen> | ment: this area is a bit of a pain and indeed hashtables won't work |
| 08:59 | <Hixie> | othermaciej: no idea how to fix it, but it means a hard-reboot whenever my screensaver triggers |
| 08:59 | <Hixie> | or any time i unsuspend |
| 08:59 | hsivonen | should get around to implementing this as a trie |
| 08:59 | <hsivonen> | a trie with suspendable search |
| 08:59 | <hsivonen> | and that makes sense as both Java and C++ |
| 09:02 | <gsnedders|work> | PHP html5lib basically uses a trie |
| 09:03 | jgraham | wonders if it is alarmingly ignorant not to know what a trie is |
| 09:03 | <hsivonen> | wikipedia to rescue |
| 09:04 | <othermaciej> | Hixie: try turning password locking off and back on perhaps? |
| 09:04 | <othermaciej> | Hixie: also: are you using fast user switching by any chance? |
| 09:04 | <othermaciej> | (wild-ass guessing here) |
| 09:04 | <Hixie> | not using fast-user switching, though i did try toggling that to see if it had an effect |
| 09:04 | <Hixie> | the password locking checkbox appears to be permanently disabled |
| 09:04 | <Hixie> | probably some sort of corporate policy |
| 09:05 | <othermaciej> | do you not have admin rights on your machine? |
| 09:05 | <Hixie> | i do but that checkbox is still disabled |
| 09:05 | <othermaciej> | I did not know that was possible |
| 09:05 | <Hixie> | me either |
| 09:06 | <Hixie> | i discovered it about 10 seconds before you suggested toggling it :-) |
| 09:06 | Philip` | did entity matching in C++ just as a repeated binary search into a sorted array of entity strings |
| 09:06 | <Hixie> | this machine has some weird stuff going on |
| 09:06 | <Hixie> | e.g. it has two guest accounts |
| 09:06 | <Hixie> | and if i disable login for one, the other one becomes enabled |
| 09:06 | <Hixie> | it's quite odd |
| 09:07 | <ment> | hsivonen: i'm thinking more of a static trie represented as sparse matrix and then packing it into a small table to avoid trie construction in runtime |
| 09:08 | <hsivonen> | ment: I was thinking of packing the data in an int[] in Java |
| 09:08 | <hsivonen> | which would be ugly in C++ but would work there, too |
| 09:08 | <ment> | hsivonen: hmm what do you mean by that? |
| 09:09 | <hsivonen> | ment: using an int[] as memory where pointers are indeces into the array (maybe more than one array for clarity) |
| 09:10 | <hsivonen> | (avoiding run-time data structure construction in a way that works in both Java and C++ leads to quite some ugliness) |
| 09:11 | <Philip`> | hsivonen: In this case, might it be less ugly to write separate code for Java and C++? |
| 09:11 | <hsivonen> | Philip`: maybe |
| 09:11 | <ment> | hsivonen: ah, you mean using base + index instead of pointers |
| 09:11 | <hsivonen> | ment: right |
| 09:12 | <ment> | hsivonen: you still get about ~80 branches before you get to desired charref :) |
| 09:12 | <hsivonen> | the construction of the entity tables has probably drawn the most complaints about any part of the C++ version of the parser |
| 09:13 | <hsivonen> | ment: not if you use the character as an index and waste memory by having a lot of empty slots |
| 09:14 | <Philip`> | Just special-case and then everything else is very rare and doesn't need to be fast :-) |
| 09:14 | <hsivonen> | I've also considered using binary search plus then linear search outwards from the index binary search found |
| 09:14 | <ment> | hsivonen: you don't if you pack the transition matrix (256 * number of state) into smaller ones with overlapping states |
| 09:14 | <hsivonen> | as a way to establish the search window in a naive table |
| 09:15 | <ment> | let's make a competition :) faster lookup algorithm wins |
| 09:15 | <hsivonen> | you don't need to make it 256 wide |
| 09:17 | <ment> | btw, http://ibawizard.net/~thement/pth/html5/ |
| 09:19 | <hsivonen> | ment: where do you keep the data on which entities require ;? |
| 09:19 | <ment> | hsivonen: uh, come again? |
| 09:20 | <ment> | ah, the ';' |
| 09:20 | <hsivonen> | ment: where do you keep data on which entities require a trailing semicolon |
| 09:21 | <ment> | i had no idea there was such a case |
| 09:25 | <Philip`> | "&alphax >x" = "&alphax >x" |
| 09:25 | <Philip`> | I hope you weren't expecting a modicum of consistency here |
| 09:26 | <hsivonen> | ment: you didn't notice that the entity table has duplicates of some entities but with a trailing semicolon? |
| 09:26 | <hsivonen> | and some only have the version with the semicolon |
| 09:26 | <ment> | hsivonen: no, i didn't go through them one-by-one |
| 09:26 | <hsivonen> | so longest match won't match unless there's the semicolon |
| 09:27 | <pradalvr> | Hi crink !!! over here |
| 09:28 | <ment> | hsivonen: i thought that the ref regex was \&[a-zA-Z]+;? |
| 09:28 | <ment> | hsivonen: with parser error when semicolon is missing |
| 09:28 | <hsivonen> | ment: everything is more complicated than it first seems |
| 09:28 | <crink> | pradalvr: yes |
| 09:30 | <pradalvr> | whats this channel about |
| 09:30 | <ment> | hsivonen: thanks for pointing that out btw |
| 09:31 | <crink> | pradalvr: The Web Hypertext Application Technology Working Group (WHATWG) is a growing community of people interested in evolving the Web. It focuses primarily on the development of HTML and APIs needed for Web applications. |
| 09:32 | <pradalvr> | damn that was smart |
| 09:32 | <jgraham> | pradalvr, ment See /topic (for quite different reasons) |
| 09:33 | <ment> | ... is growing community of people reverse-engineering current browsers. It focuses primarily on the development of more realistic standards. |
| 09:54 | <pradalvr> | I am having a problem with my blog |
| 09:54 | <pradalvr> | damn it all to hell |
| 09:54 | <pradalvr> | i cant get my sideshow to work |
| 09:56 | <pradalvr> | then again.. maybe not.. y'alls site have Result: 49 errors / 3 warnings |
| 10:00 | <annevk> | oh, hybi was last night? makes sense I suppose |
| 10:01 | <annevk> | oh well, I was too jetlagged anyway |
| 10:01 | <hsivonen> | was there any conclusion at hybi? |
| 10:04 | <annevk> | not sure |
| 10:05 | <hsivonen> | does the X3D WebGL JS library have any check for native support of X3D? |
| 10:07 | <Hixie> | othermaciej: turns out it was some internal google thing that screwed up my config |
| 10:07 | <othermaciej> | Hixie: that explains it |
| 10:08 | <annevk> | all I can find is https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/76/materials.html#wg-hybi |
| 10:08 | <Hixie> | all fixed now |
| 10:08 | <othermaciej> | hsivonen: did you see the discussion in the X3D bug Sam filed? |
| 10:08 | <othermaciej> | hsivonen: (not that this will answer your question) |
| 10:09 | <hsivonen> | othermaciej: yes |
| 10:10 | <othermaciej> | hsivonen: do you think either of Sam's suggestions are a good idea? |
| 10:11 | <othermaciej> | I'm still not entirely sure why X3D inline in a Web page is a super interesting use case, cause I went to the other session in parallel with that one |
| 10:11 | <pradalvr> | Result: 49 errors / 3 warnings |
| 10:12 | <pradalvr> | on you guys site |
| 10:12 | <annevk> | pradalvr, pointer? |
| 10:13 | <pradalvr> | aww, fixed |
| 10:14 | hsivonen | tries to work out what two suggestions Sam has made |
| 10:15 | <pradalvr> | Now can someone help me with mine PLEASE |
| 10:16 | <hsivonen> | othermaciej: I think neither suggestion is a good idea |
| 10:17 | <hsivonen> | othermaciej: I'm not particularly interested in deoptimizing any part of the parser for the sake of a most-favored JS library |
| 10:17 | <hsivonen> | othermaciej: and I don't want to add more interned string footprint and get complaints from other Gecko devs due to me adding too many interned strings |
| 10:20 | <Philip`> | Sounds like HTML5's approach for integrating SVG and MathML is not sufficiently scalable for future centralised extensibility |
| 10:20 | <hsivonen> | SVG and MathML were grandfathered |
| 10:21 | <hsivonen> | future centralized extensibility should happen within the constraints of HTML, IMO |
| 10:21 | <othermaciej_> | sorry I got disconnected for a sec |
| 10:21 | othermaciej | checks logs |
| 10:22 | <othermaciej> | hmm looks like my comments got lost |
| 10:23 | <othermaciej> | hsivonen: seems like those both refer to the "special case X3D like SVG" suggestion? |
| 10:23 | <annevk> | hsivonen, even with those constraints you'd get more interned strings, no? |
| 10:23 | <othermaciej> | hsivonen: or was one of them about the "tag with uppercase letter and xmlns attribute triggers magic XML-like mode" suggestion? |
| 10:24 | <hsivonen> | othermaciej: the upper case trigger was what I meant by "deoptimizing" |
| 10:24 | <othermaciej> | hsivonen: I see, cause you'd have to scan every tag? (or at least every tag with an xmlns attribute present) |
| 10:24 | <hsivonen> | annevk: potentially, yes. |
| 10:26 | <hsivonen> | othermaciej: if the first letter of a tag name is in upper case, how do I know if the name is going to be a known one? |
| 10:26 | <othermaciej> | with the HTML5 solution, you could in theory only lazily intern the strings for vocabularies that you can only enter via a unique root element |
| 10:27 | <othermaciej> | hsivonen: I suppose with Sam's proposal, you would not know what element to create until you parse the attributes |
| 10:27 | Philip` | notes that making the language partially case-sensitive seems a horrid idea |
| 10:27 | <hsivonen> | othermaciej: not knowing until then is very unattractive |
| 10:27 | <othermaciej> | it's probably worth adding this fact-based information to the bug |
| 10:28 | <Philip`> | (in terms of complexity and inconsistency in the language itself, regardless of implementation concerns) |
| 10:28 | <othermaciej> | adding a completely X3D-specific hook seemed unappealing to me, but I hadn't thought through the effects of the case hack |
| 10:31 | hsivonen | heads away from the computer |
| 10:33 | jgraham | tends to agree with Philip` |
| 10:34 | <jgraham> | Irrespective of the practial problems with implementation the usability issues with the proposal seem overwhelming |
| 10:38 | <Philip`> | Usability issues (positive or negative) should take priority over implementation issues anyway, so it seems more important to focus on the former |
| 10:46 | jgraham | wonders if HTMLWG charter really allows for a task force that requires attendance of telecons |
| 10:56 | <Lachy> | jgraham, no, the HTML WG's charter doesn't |
| 12:03 | <annevk> | I think a hook for structured clones might be useful regardless of whether we split out <canvas> |
| 12:04 | <annevk> | It might be somewhat useful to be able to construct a FormData object in the UI thread and pass it to a network worker when you're done. |
| 12:05 | <Philip`> | Can't it be sent as a classless object containing more primitive types? |
| 12:07 | <annevk> | in that case the worker would have to convert it |
| 12:07 | <Philip`> | If you could send an array of Blobs and DOMStrings then it sounds easy enough |
| 12:07 | <Philip`> | (or whatever the more primitives types are) |
| 12:08 | <annevk> | i guess |
| 12:08 | <Philip`> | and then implementors wouldn't have to worry about how to efficiently transfer the more complex mutable structure across threads |
| 12:08 | <annevk> | FormData is not mutable |
| 12:08 | <annevk> | at least not currently |
| 12:08 | <annevk> | actually, it is mutable I suppose |
| 12:09 | <annevk> | mu |
| 12:09 | <Philip`> | "The FormData object will get a single method called append()" - append sounds like mutation :-) |
| 12:09 | Philip` | wonders if there's a description of FormData anywhere other than annevk's blog |
| 12:09 | <annevk> | some email on public-webapps |
| 12:10 | annevk | is adding it to XHR2 as a short break of CSSOM activities |
| 12:14 | <virtuelv> | in looking at the (w3) editors draft of html5, I see there is no actual description of channel messaging |
| 12:16 | <annevk> | chapter 8.3? |
| 12:17 | <virtuelv> | yes |
| 12:17 | <virtuelv> | the interfaces are more than adequately described, but the purpose and use for channel messaging is not |
| 12:19 | <hsivonen> | so it looks like Closure adds its own custom attributes without prefixing them with data- |
| 12:24 | <virtuelv> | speaking of custom attributes |
| 12:24 | <virtuelv> | palm pre with its x-mojo attributes |
| 12:25 | <virtuelv> | does anyone know if the framework uses those to generate dom, or whether it just renders native widgets in-place? |
| 12:25 | <virtuelv> | (and on 8.3: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8255 ) |
| 15:01 | <annevk> | Philip`, FormData is now a concept in an editor's draft as well |
| 15:04 | <cardona507> | good morning all |
| 15:05 | <annevk> | I guess I should spec a rough draft of timeouts as well |
| 15:21 | <zcorpan_> | hmm, setting onclick to a string in ie doesn't throw, but then doesn't do anything magic (like in opera) |
| 15:21 | <zcorpan_> | setting onclick to 1 throws in ie |
| 15:32 | <JonathanNeal> | Really? Beautiful HTML? |
| 15:45 | <JonathanNeal> | http://css-tricks.com/examples/CleanCode/Beautiful-HTML.png <-- it may not be required, but isn't a heading still fitting here? |
| 15:56 | <JonathanNeal> | not beautiful :-| |
| 15:56 | <annevk> | hmm, should timeout dispatch on .upload too? |
| 16:34 | <annevk> | I don't really like the FileReader API |
| 16:39 | <jgraham> | annevk: link? |
| 16:40 | <annevk> | http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/FileAPI/#dfn-filereader |
| 16:45 | <jgraham> | It seems... odd. |
| 16:45 | <jgraham> | I don't know if it is good or bad |
| 18:12 | <ment> | are there any test suites for html5? |
| 18:13 | <Philip`> | For any particular parts of it? |
| 18:14 | <ment> | just to test the parser & tokenizer to check if i've missed anything |
| 18:14 | <Philip`> | http://code.google.com/p/html5lib/source/browse/#hg/testdata |
| 18:15 | <Philip`> | Format is documented at http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Parser_tests |
| 18:15 | <Philip`> | ('tokenizer' and 'tree-construction' directories are relevant) |
| 18:15 | <ment> | nice, thanks |
| 18:17 | <ment> | hmm does html5 parser have to be error-reporting? |
| 18:19 | <Philip`> | No |
| 18:19 | <Philip`> | The spec doesn't put any requirements on parsers at all |
| 18:19 | <Philip`> | only on things like browsers and validators, which may use parsers |
| 18:20 | <Philip`> | (Validators have to report parse errors (I think), but browsers don't, and if you're using a parser in a standalone context then you can do whatever you feel like) |
| 18:20 | <ment> | yes, validators should be error-reporting :) |
| 18:53 | <zcorpan_> | http://forums.whatwg.org/viewtopic.php?t=4164 (about canvas) |
| 20:43 | <dw> | hi there. is there some way to force immediate update of the canvas element? i'm drawing to it rapidly from a setInterval(), and it seems, if i add another unrelated setInterval() that updates another part of the element, it stops drawing entirely |
| 20:44 | <dw> | it seems to be coalescing updates. if i disable the second setInterval, things work as expected |
| 20:45 | <TabAtkins> | It *will* coalesce updates, if I recall correctly, as an automatic optimization. I'm not certain how to force a redraw, though. |
| 20:48 | <dw> | i seem to remember something about pushstate/popstate. might investigate that |
| 20:49 | <Philip`> | dw: What browser are you testing in? |
| 20:49 | <dw> | safari and firefox on os x |
| 20:50 | <dw> | actually, there might be some interference between the drawing functions and the context state |
| 20:50 | <Philip`> | As far as I'm aware, they should redraw the canvas whenever it's been changed and no scripts are currently running |
| 20:50 | <Philip`> | (Opera sometimes redraws in the middle of a script, after a certain time period) |
| 20:50 | <dw> | aha! stupid.. |
| 20:50 | <dw> | globalCompositeOperation was not being reset |
| 20:51 | <dw> | sorry, false alarm :) |
| 20:51 | <Philip`> | No problem :-) |
| 20:51 | <dw> | thank you! |
| 22:43 | <mpilgrim> | got this question from someone at my presentation, didn't know the answer: |
| 22:43 | <mpilgrim> | "is it possible to start playing <video> from the middle without loading it from begining to this point?" |
| 22:46 | <Lachy> | mpilgrim, I don't think that's possible yet, but I recall there was some work being done on that issue |
| 22:47 | <Lachy> | mpilgrim, there's a thread about that here. http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2009-April/019516.html |
| 22:49 | <Lachy> | I think there were other threads too |
| 22:50 | <Dashiva> | Isn't that just up to the user agent? |
| 22:50 | <Dashiva> | The spec covers seeking |
| 22:51 | <mpilgrim> | lachy: thanks |
| 22:51 | <mpilgrim> | dashiva: i couldn't even work out the proper events to get the video to play from a specific time |
| 22:51 | <mpilgrim> | i set the video.currentTime property |
| 22:51 | <mpilgrim> | and called video.play() |
| 22:51 | <mpilgrim> | but i couldn't seem to do all that at the right time |
| 22:51 | <mpilgrim> | not sure what the coverage of video API events is |
| 22:52 | <Dashiva> | Many things that could go wrong |
| 22:52 | <mpilgrim> | indeed |
| 22:52 | <Dashiva> | Lack of seeking support in the network, lack of seeking support in the UA, low resolution on the seekable sections, bugs... |
| 22:54 | <mpilgrim> | ok, i followed up with them on twitter, and pointed them to the thread lachy gave |
| 22:54 | <mpilgrim> | i was surprised by how many good questions there were from the audience |
| 22:54 | <mpilgrim> | this was at the Google Developer Day in Moscow |
| 22:55 | <Dashiva> | Is the test page you're using open? |
| 22:55 | <mpilgrim> | it was just a local page |
| 22:55 | <mpilgrim> | i could publish it if you want to debug it |
| 22:56 | <mpilgrim> | (surprised, only because at other conferences, i've gotten minimal questions. in moscow i couldn't even finish my slides, and we spent another 45 minutes in the hallway answering followup questions. it was awesome) |
| 22:56 | <Dashiva> | Hehe |
| 22:56 | <Dashiva> | Just curious, and not curious enough to create my own test page |
| 22:56 | <mpilgrim> | heh |
| 22:56 | <mpilgrim> | yeah, i think i'm gonna call it a night soon |
| 22:56 | <mpilgrim> | i'm not even sure what time it's supposed to be right now |
| 22:56 | <Dashiva> | I'm guessing 2 or 3 am |
| 22:57 | <mpilgrim> | i woke up in moscow, now i'm in prague |
| 22:57 | <Dashiva> | Oh |
| 22:57 | <mpilgrim> | no, i think it's closer to midnight |
| 22:57 | <Dashiva> | Then it's just midnight |
| 22:57 | <mpilgrim> | did you know they have hotels inside the airport? |
| 22:57 | <mpilgrim> | this is the best invention ever |
| 22:58 | <ttepasse> | The Mark Pilgrim World Tour? |
| 22:59 | <mpilgrim> | oh, my trip was trivial compared to some of the google wave guys |
| 22:59 | <mpilgrim> | they've been traveling non-stop for over a month |
| 22:59 | <ttepasse> | Ouch. |
| 23:00 | <Dashiva> | Media elements are probably going to be a huge source of questions in the future as well |
| 23:00 | <mpilgrim> | something like 6 countries in 4 weeks |
| 23:00 | <mpilgrim> | that's just insane |
| 23:00 | <Dashiva> | Considering stuff like a play() algorithm that doesn't have a single step that actually mentions starting to play |
| 23:00 | <mpilgrim> | video sucks |
| 23:00 | <mpilgrim> | we should all go back to animated gifs |
| 23:00 | <ttepasse> | http://code.google.com/intl/de/events/developerday/2009/ doesn't look so full. |
| 23:01 | <Dashiva> | motion jpeg |
| 23:01 | <Dashiva> | wave audio |
| 23:01 | <mpilgrim> | ttepasse: no, there were other events, not just GDD |
| 23:01 | <ttepasse> | Replacing JPEGs with AJAX. |
| 23:01 | <mpilgrim> | trust me, they've been on the Google Wave World Tour |
| 23:02 | <ttepasse> | Yeah, i just could't found some information on that. |
| 23:07 | <Dashiva> | Aren't there enough people in the know to split up? |
| 23:09 | <mpilgrim> | dunno |
| 23:09 | <mpilgrim> | but presenting is a skill. people tend to specialize |
| 23:09 | <mpilgrim> | these are relatively high-profile presentations |
| 23:09 | <mpilgrim> | google i/o had 1000 people |
| 23:09 | <mpilgrim> | GDD Prague had about 900 |
| 23:09 | <mpilgrim> | GDD Moscow had over 1500 |
| 23:14 | <mpilgrim> | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_UyVmITiYQ has been watched over 6 million times |
| 23:14 | <mpilgrim> | or at least started (it's 80 minutes long) |
