| 00:00 | <foolip> | anyway, I'm pretty sure #whatwg is not the perfect place to discuss this |
| 00:03 | <foolip> | nessy: thanks for the tweets :) |
| 00:07 | <nessy> | there's also a blog post waiting :) |
| 00:07 | <nessy> | but I need to get breakfast first |
| 00:08 | <nessy> | oh, I thought anything html5 related can be discussed here! sorry! |
| 00:08 | <AryehGregor> | You can, nobody cares. |
| 00:08 | <AryehGregor> | It's interesting to read, and no one else is discussing anything here right now anyway. |
| 00:11 | <foolip> | nessy: you're waiting to read or to write a blog post? |
| 00:12 | <Philip`> | Anything unrelated to HTML5 can be discussed here too, and often is |
| 00:12 | <foolip> | hehe, indeed |
| 00:12 | <Philip`> | Socks are great, aren't they? |
| 00:12 | foolip | goes off to learn about git hooks |
| 00:17 | <gsnedders> | Happy new year, y'all! |
| 00:18 | <gsnedders> | nessy: Everything is on-topic here :P |
| 00:19 | <nessy> | I'm in the middle of writing a blog post about how cool it is that Opera released this :) |
| 00:20 | <nessy> | I wanted to get it working on my mac with ports, thought, but that's obviously not going to happen :) |
| 00:20 | <gsnedders> | Of course Opera is cool :P |
| 00:20 | <nessy> | I only care about video ;) |
| 00:21 | <gsnedders> | Well, I'll say that Carakan in the cool thing in 10.50, just to spite foolip :) |
| 00:21 | <Philip`> | Are you only allowed one cool thing per release? |
| 00:22 | <gsnedders> | Well, no. But what I worked on most is by definition the coolest. |
| 00:22 | <daedb> | http://9elements.com/io/projects/html5/canvas/ is awesome :O |
| 00:24 | <foolip> | nessy: sorry :/ I borrowed a MacBook over the weekend so I can hack on it though |
| 00:34 | <AryehGregor> | This is a seriously awesome real-life application of canvas: http://detexify.kirelabs.org/classify.html |
| 00:34 | <AryehGregor> | At least if you're a math nerd. |
| 00:36 | <gsnedders> | Old. |
| 00:36 | gsnedders | hides |
| 00:37 | <nessy> | foolip: no worries - I will just install it on my winodws and linux partitions :) |
| 00:37 | <nessy> | but if I could have hacked it together on Mac, that would have been a bonus :) |
| 00:40 | <foolip> | I think there's ample opportunity for hacking on Linux still |
| 00:41 | <doublec> | foolip: nice job on the <video> release! |
| 00:41 | <foolip> | doublec: thanks! |
| 00:42 | <AryehGregor> | So, I take it 10.5 > 10.10? Why not 10.50? |
| 00:42 | <gsnedders> | AryehGregor: It is 10.50. |
| 00:42 | <AryehGregor> | Why does everything call it 10.5, then? |
| 00:42 | <gsnedders> | Anything that calls it 10.5 is technically wrong. |
| 00:43 | <foolip> | did we call it 10.5 anywhere? |
| 00:43 | <AryehGregor> | http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=opera+10.5 |
| 00:43 | <gsnedders> | AVL did in the blog post for the new year's build, seemingly |
| 00:43 | <AryehGregor> | my.opera.com and labs.opera.com, at least. |
| 00:43 | <AryehGregor> | And yeah, Anne's blog. |
| 00:43 | <foolip> | oh well |
| 00:43 | <gsnedders> | I don't think it overly matters. People call 10.10 10.1 too :) |
| 00:44 | <AryehGregor> | And I saw it on Slashdot too, and as we all know, Slashdot is very reliable in its headlines and summaries. |
| 00:44 | <gsnedders> | Blatantly we should just call it Evenes and be done with it. |
| 00:44 | <foolip> | perhaps our version number are floats, not a major.minor scheme |
| 00:44 | <gsnedders> | And call 10, 10.01, and 10.10 Perigrine (or however you spell it). |
| 00:44 | <AryehGregor> | Then why not use 10.1 instead of 10.10? |
| 00:44 | <gsnedders> | Then there's no ambiguity whatsoever! |
| 00:45 | <AryehGregor> | Peregrine? |
| 00:45 | <gsnedders> | Whatever the codename for all those releases was. |
| 00:45 | <foolip> | heh, the Opera employee gets told how to spell the Opera release |
| 00:45 | <AryehGregor> | Well, "peregrine" is a regular old English word. |
| 00:46 | <AryehGregor> | I was just guessing. |
| 00:46 | <gsnedders> | Like I can spell anyway. :) |
| 00:46 | <foolip> | Peregrine is Presto 2.2, i.e. Opera 10 |
| 00:46 | <foolip> | Evenes is Presto 2.5, i.e. Opera 10.5 |
| 00:46 | <gsnedders> | No, the Desktop releases based upon Presto 2.2 |
| 00:46 | gsnedders | hides |
| 00:47 | foolip | slaps gsnedders |
| 00:47 | <foolip> | I'm lying, the version numbers are right, but the codenames are for desktop releases, not core (presto) releases |
| 00:47 | <gsnedders> | hah. The Presto Wikipedia page has changed it's opinion again of what Presto release Carakan was added in. |
| 00:47 | <gsnedders> | *its |
| 00:48 | <foolip> | thank god, Wikipedia sets the record straight |
| 00:48 | <foolip> | (i.e. since we don't know we can always trust Wikipedia) |
| 00:48 | <gsnedders> | (Well, Peregrine is also the codename of the Core branch of 2.2 for Desktop...) |
| 00:48 | <foolip> | meh, what's the point of git hooks if you can't but them under version control? |
| 00:49 | <foolip> | put |
| 00:49 | <foolip> | b + gravity -> p |
| 00:50 | <Philip`> | foolip: You'd like it if cloning and using an external git repository (even if you never use the code it contains) could result in it executing arbitrary hook scripts on your system? |
| 00:51 | <foolip> | Philip`: you may just have a point |
| 00:57 | gsnedders | wonders whether to move to using 10.50 as his main browser at home (where he really really really doesn't want his browser to crash as he always has way too many tabs open) |
| 01:01 | <foolip> | gsnedders: do you compulsively need to create a minimized test case every time something crashes? |
| 01:01 | <foolip> | if so, keep it out of your home ;) |
| 01:11 | <Dashiva> | gsnedders: That's like wondering whether to replace your pet parakeet with a pet elephant when your wife collects 9th century china |
| 01:11 | <AryehGregor> | Dashiva, you should watch the Mythbusters episode on bulls in a china shop. |
| 01:12 | <AryehGregor> | They set up racks of china and let a whole bunch of bulls loose to run around. |
| 01:12 | <AryehGregor> | And they ran right between the shelves repeatedly and didn't knock over a thing. |
| 01:12 | <AryehGregor> | It was pretty hilarious. |
| 01:12 | <Dashiva> | That's bulls |
| 01:12 | <Dashiva> | Elephants are... somewhat wider |
| 01:12 | <AryehGregor> | Well, you'd need more space between the shelves for an elephant, obviously. |
| 01:12 | <AryehGregor> | I mean the stands, or bookcases, or whatever you're putting the china on. |
| 01:13 | <Dashiva> | Well, that's the thing, you don't usually consider "would an elephant fit here" when decorating your home |
| 01:13 | <AryehGregor> | Depends what sort of guests you have, I suppose. |
| 01:24 | <Philip`> | A pet elephant seems like a terrible idea regardless of your china collection habits |
| 01:24 | <Philip`> | For a start, you'd have to deal with all the footprints in your butter |
| 01:26 | <AryehGregor> | You don't have to let it walk in your butter. You could train it to not climb onto tables and so on. |
| 01:26 | <Dashiva> | It doesn't climb the table, it gets in the fridge |
| 01:26 | <AryehGregor> | Hopefully more effectively than our cats, who are trained not to climb onto tables if any people are around to watch. |
| 01:27 | <AryehGregor> | Well, you'd have to be cleverer to stop them from getting into things, I guess, what with the trunk and all. |
| 01:27 | <AryehGregor> | Most pets are too small to open the fridge. |
| 01:27 | <AryehGregor> | I imagine that if you had a pet elephant, it would be best kept outside. |
| 01:28 | <AryehGregor> | (I'm sure *someone* out there has a pet elephant. I read about a lady who had like twenty pet lions in her house or something. She apparently got a permit and everything, totally legit.) |
| 01:28 | <AryehGregor> | (This is a vague memory, though, so reality might be less entertaining, as usual.) |
| 01:29 | <AryehGregor> | Anyway, I'm off for the night. Good night, and happy new year to whoever has recently experienced or will imminently experience the dawn of a new year. |
| 01:33 | Philip` | won't experience the dawn, he'll be in bed by the time the sun's coming up |
| 01:33 | <Dashiva> | I'm still waiting for the galaxyrise myself |
| 02:31 | <noahlt> | \quit |
| 05:49 | <MikeSmith> | the static versions of the author view of the HTML5 spec now have toc.js and dfn.js enabled |
| 05:49 | <MikeSmith> | http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/ |
| 05:50 | <MikeSmith> | http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/spec.html |
| 05:50 | <MikeSmith> | so each page of the multipage version now has an on-page TOC |
| 05:51 | <MikeSmith> | and if you click on terms on bold that are <dfn> instances, it'll show you backreference to all the hyperlinks to that term |
| 11:28 | <gsnedders> | foolip: No, I just don't want my browser crashing in general :) |
| 12:11 | <annevk> | happy new year |
| 12:46 | <annevk> | thanks nessy, glad we made you happy with a video release :) |
| 12:46 | <annevk> | was a surprise to me too to be honest |
| 12:48 | <nessy> | it's totally awesome |
| 12:49 | <nessy> | seeking is still required to make it useful, but it's awesome :) |
| 15:39 | <gsnedders> | Anyone know of any blog software that uses a serializer for all output? |