| 00:19 | <Philip`> | Hixie: You forgot a comma after adding "Adam Hepton" |
| 00:19 | <Hixie> | thanks |
| 00:31 | <JonathanNeal> | Phase #1 complete @ http://sandbox.thewikies.com/html5-experiments/phase-01.html woohoo |
| 01:01 | <karlcow> | http://gist.github.com/330963 |
| 01:01 | <karlcow> | Test for browser redirection handling WRT URI fragments, quick and dirty. |
| 01:20 | <zcorpan> | Hixie: search for 'hidden' in http://my.opera.com/core/blog/2010/03/03/everything-you-need-to-know-about-html5-video-and-audio-2 |
| 03:25 | <mpilgrim> | any mac/safari users around? |
| 03:25 | <mpilgrim> | i need to test something and i'm not near any macs |
| 03:26 | <miketaylr> | im on a mac |
| 03:27 | <miketaylr> | w/ safari 4.0.4 |
| 03:27 | <mpilgrim> | can you install ClickToFlash and test something for me? |
| 03:27 | <miketaylr> | sure, one sec |
| 03:27 | <mpilgrim> | http://rentzsch.github.com/clicktoflash/ |
| 03:29 | <miketaylr> | k, installed |
| 03:30 | <miketaylr> | mua ha ha http://miketaylr.com/post/b8950f24.png |
| 03:31 | <mpilgrim> | ha |
| 03:31 | <mpilgrim> | ok, go to http://diveintomark.org/tmp/flashblock-detect.html |
| 03:31 | <mpilgrim> | tell me if it says "a Flash blocker was detected" |
| 03:32 | <ttepasse> | Here: no flash blocker was detected. |
| 03:32 | <miketaylr> | it says: no Flash blocker was detected |
| 03:32 | <mpilgrim> | damn it |
| 03:32 | <miketaylr> | but, http://miketaylr.com/post/37e864ed.png |
| 03:32 | <ttepasse> | (Leopard, Safari 4.x, CtF 1.5.3) |
| 03:32 | <miketaylr> | looks blocked to me :p |
| 03:32 | <mpilgrim> | yeah |
| 03:34 | <mpilgrim> | force-refresh now (shift+refresh button i think) |
| 03:35 | <miketaylr> | a Flash blocker was detected |
| 03:35 | <miketaylr> | \o/ |
| 03:35 | <mpilgrim> | aha |
| 03:39 | <mpilgrim> | ok, force-refresh again to make sure i didn't just break anything |
| 03:40 | <miketaylr> | nope, still good |
| 03:40 | <mpilgrim> | ok, final test |
| 03:40 | <mpilgrim> | go into the clicktoflash preferences (under your application menu IIRC) and whitelist diveintomark.org |
| 03:41 | <mpilgrim> | then force-refresh |
| 03:41 | <mpilgrim> | should now say "no flash blocker was detected" |
| 03:41 | <mpilgrim> | (after about 5 seconds) |
| 03:42 | <miketaylr> | hmmm, still a Flash blocker was detected |
| 03:42 | <mpilgrim> | oh damn |
| 03:47 | <mpilgrim> | oh bloody hell |
| 03:47 | <mpilgrim> | i know what's wrong |
| 03:47 | <mpilgrim> | but i don't know how to fix it |
| 03:49 | <mpilgrim> | BOY THIS SURE WOULD BE EASIER IF WEBKIT WOULD JUST GO AHEAD AND IMPLEMENT DOMATTRMODIFIED |
| 03:50 | <miketaylr> | >:| |
| 03:53 | <mpilgrim> | ok, last try |
| 03:53 | <mpilgrim> | force-refresh again |
| 03:53 | <mpilgrim> | with diveintomark.org still whitelisted |
| 03:55 | mpilgrim | throws a sheep at miketaylr |
| 03:56 | miketaylr | ducks |
| 03:56 | <miketaylr> | whitelisted, no Flash blocker was detected |
| 03:56 | <mpilgrim> | that's good |
| 03:56 | <mpilgrim> | now clear the whitelist |
| 03:56 | <miketaylr> | k |
| 03:56 | <mpilgrim> | and refresh |
| 03:57 | <miketaylr> | a Flash blocker was detected |
| 03:57 | <mpilgrim> | HOORAY |
| 03:57 | <miketaylr> | , for great victory |
| 03:57 | <mpilgrim> | AFAIK, this is the world's first flashblock detector that works in 3 browsers |
| 03:58 | <mpilgrim> | er, world's first PURE JAVASCRIPT flashblock detector |
| 03:58 | <miketaylr> | oh, sweet |
| 03:58 | <mpilgrim> | thanks for your help |
| 03:58 | <miketaylr> | np, sir |
| 04:46 | <mpilgrim> | http://code.google.com/p/flashblockdetector/ |
| 04:46 | <mpilgrim> | going to sleep now |
| 10:00 | annevk | reads http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/help-whatwg.org/2010-March/000432.html by coincidence |
| 10:00 | annevk | is not subscribed to help⊙wo |
| 10:09 | <asmodai> | annevk: funny if you don't monitor it :) |
| 12:13 | <hsivonen> | what's the motivating use case behind http://code.google.com/p/flashblockdetector/ ? analytics? |
| 12:16 | <Lachy> | I don't know for sure, but one use case might be for advertisers to serve an alternate image instead of flash if they can detect the user won't see the flash. |
| 12:17 | <Philip`> | "One good use of this would be to inform users that they need to opt-in to Flash for unobtrusive Flash enhancements (such as invisible audio players) to work on that page." |
| 13:04 | <hsivonen> | I thought you were supposed to use <audio> for that in all the browsers that have supported Flash blockers |
| 13:06 | <Philip`> | Writing something once in <audio> and once in Flash seems like more work than writing it once in Flash and telling users to turn Flash on |
| 14:47 | <boblet> | what’s the difference between rel="license" and <small> if the license info is linked? |
| 14:49 | <boblet> | aah, from the example under link type license it seems they’re complementary; wrap rel=license link in small |
| 14:49 | <boblet> | thanks :) |
