| 00:30 | <Hixie> | does webidl define how callback return values get converted to idl values? |
| 00:30 | <Hixie> | i can't find it anywhere |
| 02:25 | <hober> | with 3/31 approaching, I suppose I should work on http://hober.jottit.com/ISSUE-95_Change_Proposal more |
| 02:26 | <hober> | any and all feedback greatly appreciated. |
| 02:42 | <boblet> | hixie: you there? |
| 04:24 | <Hixie> | borey: here |
| 04:24 | <Hixie> | er |
| 04:25 | <Hixie> | nevermind, boblet left |
| 04:25 | <Hixie> | sorry borey, you were next on the nick completion list :-) |
| 07:00 | <zcorpan> | Hixie: was EXAMPLE workers/shared/001/test.html supposed to be replaced in the generated spec? |
| 07:27 | <zcorpan> | "our html5 involvement goes back years and years and years" - http://ecn.channel9.msdn.com/o9/ch9/8/2/8/8/3/5/ch9livemix10dean_ch9.mp4 |
| 07:28 | <Hixie> | zcorpan: was it not replaced? hm |
| 07:28 | <Hixie> | wonder what's going on with wikileaks |
| 07:29 | <JonathanNeal> | Hey zcorpan, Hixie |
| 07:29 | <Hixie> | oh, too many /s for the EXAMPLE |
| 07:29 | Hixie | fixes |
| 07:31 | <zcorpan> | "will ie9 support canvas?" "everything in ie9 is hardware accelerated!" |
| 08:02 | <JonathanNeal> | did you guys see the pangram? |
| 08:05 | <hsivonen> | jgraham, Hixie: I see the textarea resizer on Live DOM now. I guess the resizer appears by default but I was using the wrong build yesterday |
| 08:06 | <zcorpan> | Hixie: the second example seems to be 001/ |
| 08:11 | <Hixie> | i suck |
| 08:11 | <Hixie> | fixing |
| 08:11 | <Hixie> | thanks |
| 08:17 | <nessy> | it's bad hair day |
| 08:20 | <JonathanNeal> | http://sandbox.thewikies.com/html5-pangram/ and http://sandbox.thewikies.com/html5-pangram/short.html |
| 08:20 | annevk | always has a bad hair morning; unless it's extremely short |
| 08:22 | <zcorpan> | JonathanNeal: you should put some ads on that page |
| 08:23 | <JonathanNeal> | So it can be even uglier? |
| 08:23 | <JonathanNeal> | I'm not done, the short will be how I write an html5 normalize stylesheet |
| 08:23 | <zcorpan> | no, to match expectations; i think you've posted the link about 20 times now :P |
| 08:24 | <JonathanNeal> | It first follows the whatwg's rendering recommendation, followed then by popular vendor styling. |
| 08:24 | <annevk> | JonathanNeal, most people in this channel read the backlog |
| 08:24 | <JonathanNeal> | Note taken. |
| 08:24 | <JonathanNeal> | :) |
| 08:25 | <JonathanNeal> | I didn't even know there was a backlog to be read. I thought the best strategy was to always stir up trouble. |
| 08:25 | <Hixie> | zcorpan: who implements the three-argument postMessage on Window? |
| 08:26 | <Hixie> | zcorpan: if nobody does, or if everyone is willing to change their implementations, i don't mind changing it |
| 08:26 | <zcorpan> | Hixie: opera does (not shipped yet, but is implemented), not sure about the others |
| 08:26 | <Hixie> | zcorpan: the reason postMessage()'s ports argument was added in the middle was to keep it closer to the message argument, where it makes more sense |
| 08:26 | <Hixie> | i.e. having "message, message, target" rather than "message, target, message" |
| 08:27 | <zcorpan> | Hixie: i think the common reaction to having it in the middle is "WTF?" |
| 08:27 | <Hixie> | if everyone is willing to change their implementations, i don't mind changing it |
| 08:27 | <Hixie> | no need to convince me on logical grounds :-) |
| 08:28 | zcorpan | can only speak for opera |
| 08:33 | <Hixie> | well if you can find out who else implements it i can go ask them |
| 08:34 | <annevk> | pretty sure WebKit must have it |
| 08:34 | <zcorpan> | Hixie: it seems chrome implements it |
| 08:35 | <Hixie> | k, i'll ask them about it tomorrow |
| 08:35 | <zcorpan> | but not firefox |
| 08:36 | <Hixie> | ooh, new freeman's mind |
| 08:36 | <Hixie> | bbiab! |
| 08:43 | <Hixie> | ok where was i |
| 08:43 | <zcorpan> | you were about to fix all my bugs |
| 08:48 | <Hixie> | oh yes |
| 09:11 | <zcorpan> | it's weird that people's reaction to "feature x and y seem like they should do what i want, but are buggy in browsers A and B" is "how about introducing feature z?" instead of "how about fixing x and y in A and B?" |
| 09:14 | <Hixie> | yeah |
| 09:14 | <Hixie> | i see that all the time also |
| 09:20 | <Hixie> | anyone else having difficulty using the bug filing thing in the spec? |
| 09:27 | <Hixie> | ok bed time |
| 09:27 | <Hixie> | nn |
| 09:31 | <zcorpan> | Hixie: nn |
| 09:34 | <gsnedders> | Anyone with IE9 around? |
| 09:35 | <Philip`> | Yes |
| 09:35 | <gsnedders> | Philip`: http://stuff.gsnedders.com/es/getterparsing.html |
| 09:35 | <gsnedders> | Philip`: What does that give? |
| 09:38 | <Philip`> | FAIL (threwEvalError: Expected ':') |
| 09:38 | <Philip`> | 6 times |
| 09:39 | <gsnedders> | Huh |
| 09:39 | <gsnedders> | I thought IE supported it... |
| 09:40 | <lazni> | is opera's treatment of page-break-* in @media projection okay in standards? |
| 09:41 | <virtuelv> | lazni: to answer that question, you would have to first explain what it is you think Opera does with it |
| 09:41 | <annevk> | lazni, yes it is |
| 09:41 | <lazni> | it split advancement by pagedown by the pages |
| 09:41 | <annevk> | lazni, projection is paged-based media |
| 09:42 | <lazni> | okay |
| 09:42 | lazni | is writing a CSS+fragment slideshow |
| 10:17 | <hsivonen> | sigh. I just had a "Someone is wrong on the Internet" moment about http://robertnyman.com/2010/03/23/what-will-happen-to-open-video-on-the-web/ |
| 10:18 | <hsivonen> | (I left a comment) |
| 10:24 | <annevk> | hmm, from that post (via #fronteers): "My friend spoke to a Mozilla guy at Libre Planet this last weekend who said Mozilla has a “big announcement” regarding video coming this week or next." |
| 10:35 | <jgraham> | Hmm, "my friend said someone said something was going to happen" doesn't exactly sound concrete |
| 10:35 | <Dashiva> | hsivonen: It's disappointing to see people still think using Vorbis has any weight at all on how safe Theora is |
| 10:37 | <hsivonen> | Dashiva: I didn't even read that far carefully before I went into the "Someone is wrong on the Internet" mode. |
| 10:39 | <zcorpan> | Dashiva: leave a comment? |
| 10:40 | <Dashiva> | People will still be wrong |
| 10:41 | <zcorpan> | but you know you get a warm fuzzy feeling when pointing it out |
| 10:43 | <Philip`> | If the Ogg people said Vorbis was perfectly safe and patent-free and encouraged everyone to use it, and then a few years later everybody got sued for infringing patents, then that would cast significant doubt over similar claims about Theora |
| 10:43 | <Philip`> | but everyone uses Vorbis and nobody has been sued yet, so that particular source of doubt has not been cast |
| 10:43 | <Philip`> | so it does seem to have some weight on the safety of Theora |
| 10:48 | <Dashiva> | In the same way having built a shed does give some weight to the guy who wants to build your skyscraper |
| 10:51 | <Philip`> | Sure |
| 10:51 | <jgraham> | For large values of "shed" |
| 12:58 | <lazni> | is there any CSS way I can make the nav#toc xx-large when there's no fragment id, but small when the fragment id is not "toc" in http://hdh.dyn-o-saur.com/public-domain/doc/sd1/goal-setting.html ? |
| 13:02 | <Rik`> | :target ? |
| 13:12 | <lazni> | :not(:target) makes it large when another id is in focus too |
| 13:13 | <AryehGregor> | No, pretty sure there's no way to do that. Use JS. |
| 13:18 | <hsivonen> | aaargh. I've broken validator.nu buildability with javac |
| 13:19 | <hsivonen> | ecj still works |
| 13:52 | <zcorpan> | hmm, maybe i should look at the entity data |
| 13:54 | <MikeSmith> | hsivonen: how'd you manage to break buildability with javac? |
| 13:58 | <zcorpan> | Philip`: have you tried http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20100311#l-738 ? |
| 14:01 | <Philip`> | zcorpan: I think I forgot |
| 14:07 | <hsivonen> | MikeSmith: I changed NamedCharacters.java to use byte[][] for names |
| 14:07 | <hsivonen> | MikeSmith: ecj optimized the static initializer to under 2^16 bytes |
| 14:07 | <hsivonen> | MikeSmith: javac didn't |
| 14:07 | <MikeSmith> | ah |
| 14:08 | <hsivonen> | so javac failed to produce a legal .class file |
| 14:14 | <othermaciej> | howdy everyone |
| 14:15 | <annevk> | public-html :/ |
| 14:15 | <annevk> | besides that pretty good |
| 14:15 | <annevk> | just had my first beer in the open, weather is changing for the better :) |
| 14:16 | <Philip`> | zcorpan: That regexp looks scary so maybe http://philip.html5.org/data/meta-content-charset-no-http-equiv-content-type.txt is better |
| 14:16 | <Philip`> | zcorpan: That's from egrep -i 'content="[^;"]*;\s*charset='|grep -iv 'http-equiv="content-type"' |
| 14:16 | jgraham | wonders who annevk is talking to |
| 14:17 | <Philip`> | on a file containing <meta uri http-equiv name content> extracted from parsed pages |
| 14:17 | <annevk> | jgraham, othermaciej? |
| 14:17 | hsivonen | wonders if WebKit and Opera have set themselves up for Microsoft moments like https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=546857#c22 |
| 14:18 | hsivonen | has no idea what kind of maintenance burdens Dashboard and Opera Widgets are |
| 14:19 | <jgraham> | annevk: Oh. I'm not really sure that follows from "Howdy everyone" |
| 14:19 | <annevk> | jgraham, it just did... |
| 14:20 | <othermaciej> | heh :-) |
| 14:20 | <annevk> | hsivonen, I suppose they're somewhat closer to HTML/CSS than XUL, other than that I have no idea |
| 14:21 | <zcorpan> | Philip`: nice, thanks |
| 14:22 | <AryehGregor> | "CSSStyleDeclaration" hurts my eyes. Too many S's. |
| 14:23 | <annevk> | should have been CSSDeclarationBlock but it's too late for that now |
| 14:23 | <AryehGregor> | Acronyms in names should be capitalized like normal words. That's the only sane way to do it. |
| 14:23 | <annevk> | much stuff in the CSSOM has weird names |
| 14:23 | <AryehGregor> | The convention that gives you CSSStyleDeclaration would also give you XMLHTTPRequest, which is just evil. |
| 14:23 | <AryehGregor> | CssStyleDeclaration would be so much more sensible. |
| 14:23 | <annevk> | euhm, now it is XMLHttpRequest |
| 14:24 | <annevk> | which is also weird |
| 14:24 | <AryehGregor> | Well, that's even more insane. |
| 14:24 | <zcorpan> | Philip`: there were no other attributes, like httpequiv? or http-equiv=contenttype? |
| 14:24 | <annevk> | yeah, not sure what you're saying |
| 14:24 | <hsivonen> | AryehGregor: more of a .NET than Java naming fan, eh? |
| 14:24 | <AryehGregor> | I don't touch either. |
| 14:25 | <AryehGregor> | annevk, I would do things like XmlHttpRequest. |
| 14:25 | <AryehGregor> | That way you can tell where words begin and end. |
| 14:26 | <annevk> | not really interesting to argue about such conventions now |
| 14:26 | <AryehGregor> | No, not at all, I was just randomly spamming. |
| 14:26 | <hsivonen> | I've used the .NET style in Java to improve readability |
| 14:26 | <hsivonen> | one of the main benefits .NET has over Java :-) |
| 14:26 | <AryehGregor> | Well, I guess it could be remembered for the future, if anyone gets to set new conventions for new languages or whatnot. |
| 14:26 | <AryehGregor> | hsivonen, so what *are* the .NET and Java styles? |
| 14:27 | <hsivonen> | CssStyleDeclaration would be .NET and CSSStyleDeclaration Java |
| 14:27 | <Philip`> | zcorpan: This data is just <meta uri http-equiv name content> |
| 14:27 | <Philip`> | i.e. it ignores any other attributes that may exist |
| 14:27 | <zcorpan> | Philip`: ok |
| 14:28 | <AryehGregor> | Then I'm a .NET convention fan. One thing Microsoft did right. :P |
| 14:28 | <zcorpan> | Philip`: i was kinda also interested in any other attributes that may exist :) |
| 14:29 | <Philip`> | zcorpan: I think I'd have to modify the Java code to do that properly |
| 14:29 | <Philip`> | which is possible |
| 14:29 | <Philip`> | (later, if I don't forget) |
| 14:30 | <Philip`> | The regexp wouldn't match anything across multiple lines so that's probably not so good |
| 14:43 | <hsivonen> | grr. maybe I should just ship a .class file compiled using Eclipse and stop supporting compilation using javac |
| 14:45 | <hsivonen> | alternatively, I could split NamedCharacter.java so that each member is in a class alone |
| 14:46 | <othermaciej> | is the file too big to compile with javac? |
| 14:46 | <hsivonen> | othermaciej: the output from javac is too big |
| 14:46 | <hsivonen> | to fit within the spec for .class files |
| 14:47 | <hsivonen> | the corresponding C++ file has been a problem with GCC and MSVC, too |
| 14:48 | <annevk> | hmm, CSS Value API is somewhat hard |
| 14:49 | <Philip`> | Making it harder to edit and recompile the code with standard tools doesn't sound like a good idea from a third-party contributor perspective |
| 14:51 | <hsivonen> | Philip`: Eclipse is the standard tool, isn't it. :-) |
| 14:51 | <hsivonen> | but yeah, I guess I need to split this file |
| 14:51 | <hsivonen> | and do the same split on the C++ side |
| 14:53 | <hsivonen> | this isn't the first time that javac produces more verbose bytecode than ecj |
| 14:54 | <Philip`> | Does javac attempt any kind of optimisation at all? |
| 14:54 | <hsivonen> | dunno |
| 14:54 | Philip` | briefly looked at its output once and it didn't seem to do any of the obvious things that would save space and time |
| 14:55 | <Philip`> | but I may have been mistaken |
| 14:56 | <JonathanNeal> | word |
| 14:57 | <Philip`> | JonathanNeal: excel |
| 14:57 | <JonathanNeal> | :) |
| 14:57 | <Philip`> | Wasn't that the pattern? |
| 14:58 | <JonathanNeal> | After one entry? Very presumptuous Philip` |
| 15:00 | <Philip`> | You get more points for spotting the pattern sooner |
| 15:00 | <Dashiva> | More like assuming |
| 15:00 | <Philip`> | I was hoping "sharepoint workspace" would come next |
| 15:04 | <JonathanNeal> | Unfortunately, the next entry was to be "sentence" |
| 15:04 | <zcorpan> | hmm, opera doesn't do incremental rendering of giant text nodes in xml |
| 15:05 | <jgraham> | Microsoft Sentence? |
| 15:05 | annevk | asks for thoughts on www-style |
| 15:15 | <MikeSmith> | hsivonen: fwiw, I don't think adding a dependency on ecj would be too unreasonable |
| 15:15 | <MikeSmith> | if that's what you were to decide to do |
| 15:15 | <MikeSmith> | it's cross-platform and easy to install |
| 15:17 | <zcorpan> | http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9207 - anyone feeling like analyzing the individual characters to see if they'd benefit from changing the parser? |
| 16:16 | <JonathanNeal> | Excell |
| 16:20 | <Philip`> | Where did the ent go? |
| 16:20 | <jgraham> | That sounds like the start of a Tolkien joke |
| 16:48 | <JonathanNeal> | Philip`, I don't know. |
| 17:18 | <CrazyFoam> | Hello, I have a question regarding XML Namespaces |
| 17:18 | <CrazyFoam> | say I have <a xmlns="urn:a" xmlns:b="urn:b"> <b:b> <c/> </b:b> </a> |
| 17:18 | <CrazyFoam> | element <c/> is assumed to be in namespace urn:a |
| 17:19 | <CrazyFoam> | but if I have <a:a xmlns:a="urn:a" xmlns:b="urn:b"> <b:b> <c/> </b:b> </a:a> |
| 17:19 | <CrazyFoam> | is element <c/> invalid or assumed to be in namespace urn:b? |
| 17:20 | <Philip`> | In the second case, the <c/> is in no namespace |
| 17:20 | <Philip`> | (which is a perfectly legitimate thing to do) |
| 17:20 | <CrazyFoam> | ah that's what I thought, but how is it legitimate |
| 17:20 | <CrazyFoam> | say the doc has no default namespace |
| 17:20 | <Philip`> | XML doesn't require namespaces |
| 17:20 | <CrazyFoam> | whatever processing the doc may not be able to understand <c/> |
| 17:21 | <Philip`> | You could write <a><b><c/></b></a> and the <c/> would be in no namespace, just as in your example |
| 17:21 | <Philip`> | Namespaces don't cause understanding |
| 17:22 | <annevk> | they just cause confusion |
| 17:22 | <CrazyFoam> | haha |
| 17:22 | <Philip`> | I could write <a:axghrlktxjhlkj xmlns:a="urn:a"/> and whatever's processing the document would have just as much chance of understanding it as of understanding <c/> |
| 17:22 | <Dashiva> | You could use the namespace URI as input to a RDF-based knowledge network that would provide all the data you need! |
| 17:23 | <Philip`> | You'd want some kind of schema if you want to restrict the document to known elements |
| 17:23 | <CrazyFoam> | knowledge network haha |
| 17:24 | <CrazyFoam> | okay well thanks for the info, really what i was looking for is that <c/> in the last case defeintiely shouldn't get interptreted as belonging to either urn:a or urn:b |
| 17:25 | <Philip`> | Yep - if it has no prefix then it's in the default namespace, and the default namespace is only affected by xmlns="..." |
| 17:27 | <CrazyFoam> | on that note, what do you call it when a doc changes default namespace all over the place, e.g. <doc xmlns="urn:doc"> <a xmlns="urn:a"/> <b xmlns="urn:b"/> </doc>, still valid right? can't think of a term to search for specifications - "default namespace switching"? |
| 17:36 | <Philip`> | CrazyFoam: You mean when it changes the default namespace in non-root elements? |
| 17:37 | <Philip`> | I guess it's neurotic by the definitions in http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/200204/msg00170.html |
| 17:40 | <CrazyFoam> | hmmm... is that post discussing maintaining prefix names through serialization? |
| 17:41 | <Philip`> | That's part of it |
| 17:41 | <CrazyFoam> | ah got to the neruotic part |
| 17:41 | <CrazyFoam> | what is a GI? |
| 17:43 | <Philip`> | Tag name |
| 17:43 | <Philip`> | ('Generic identifier') |
| 17:47 | <lazni> | http://www.mikematas.com/ is rather empty in opera |
| 17:49 | <brucel> | Is there a webkit guru in the house? |
| 17:49 | <Philip`> | There might be more in #webkit |
| 17:49 | <jgraham> | brucel: I suggest you just ask the question and someone will probably answer |
| 17:50 | <jgraham> | lazni: Which version of OPera, and what exactly do you see? |
| 17:51 | <lazni> | 10.51, I see only the 3 menu items on the left |
| 17:52 | <jgraham> | lazni: Curious. It works for me, although it is a bit slow to load (and has an obnoxious alert telling me to get a modern browser "such as Apple Safari") |
| 17:52 | <brucel> | Am trying to build up video demo that, if Ogg video isn;t supported (but video *is*, eg Safari) it will fall back to the contents of the video element. But can't get it working - onerror event seems not to fire. http://people.opera.com/brucel/dev/html5-video-fallback.html Have a brain full of cold so am trying to understand where I'm going wrong |
| 17:53 | <lazni> | I restarted opera and the page loads now |
| 17:53 | <jgraham> | lazni: Could be cache bug or something I guess |
| 17:53 | <lazni> | but it doesn't pop up about safari |
| 17:54 | <jgraham> | If you work out how to reproduce then file a bug |
| 17:54 | <annevk> | brucel, did you check that error is dispatched at all? |
| 17:54 | <lazni> | okay |
| 17:55 | <brucel> | annevk, seems never to fire |
| 17:55 | <jgraham> | lazni: You're not missing much. There's nothing that says "retard" quite like being a supposed UI designer who uses a modal alert to tell people that a site might not work in a browser that it actually works fine in and that they should buy a Mac instead |
| 17:56 | <lazni> | and a totallly JS-driven site |
| 17:57 | <annevk> | brucel, fwiw, it should be dispatched on the video element |
| 17:57 | <annevk> | brucel, also, <video> does not have a type attribute |
| 17:58 | <brucel> | annevk whoops, will whisk that away and see how it goes |
| 17:59 | <jgraham> | lazni: Well yeah it would be nice if the site fell back to something sensible. I have to admit that it looks pretty cool though |
| 17:59 | <annevk> | (if it then works that would also be a bug, but I don't think it'll help) |
| 17:59 | <annevk> | brucel, if you add autoplay does it then fire maybe? |
| 18:01 | <annevk> | brucel, you can maybe hack around it by checking the associated error object on some kind of timeout loop |
| 18:01 | <annevk> | maybe they do properly update that |
| 18:03 | <brucel> | annevk didn't work when I removed type from video element and added autoplay |
| 18:03 | <brucel> | annevk hack, thanks, will try. But this *should* work, right? |
| 18:08 | <annevk> | yeah |
| 18:08 | <annevk> | you might wanna file a bug: https://bugs.webkit.org/ |
| 18:14 | <brucel> | annevk thx |
| 19:41 | <mr_danie1> | everyon is so excited about html5, its great new features; also many times html5 is seen as a flash-killer, making hopefully anothe propritery technology obsolete, and in many aspect I think html5 will make the race with widely accepted standards |
| 19:42 | <mr_danie1> | but what is about p2p capabilites? for example chatroulette.com is completely build on flash, because it uses the p2p technology from flash to make direct end-user communication possible |
| 19:43 | <annevk> | it's work in progress |
| 19:43 | <mr_danie1> | so I am asking myself: is there a way to build p2p webapplications without flash? |
| 19:43 | <mr_danie1> | is there a working draft document available annevk ? |
| 19:44 | <annevk> | http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/commands.html#peer-to-peer-connections |
| 20:19 | <zcorpan> | hmm, why doesn't the first video autoplay in opera? http://people.opera.com/brucel/dev/html5-video-fallback.html |
| 20:23 | <zcorpan> | annevk: "<annevk> brucel, fwiw, it should be dispatched on the video element" - no, it should fire on <source> |
| 20:25 | <zcorpan> | (at least when using <source>) |
| 20:32 | zcorpan | sees a your momma joke about html5 on twitter |
| 20:39 | <erlehmann> | this onerror thing is nice |
| 20:39 | <erlehmann> | zcorpan, link ? |
| 20:39 | <zcorpan> | http://twitter.com/iamkory/statuses/11051962698 |
| 20:44 | <annevk> | zcorpan, ah yeah, I see now, but it'll bubble anyway so that shouldn't matter |
| 20:45 | gsnedders | opens up laptop and finds a listing of x86 jump instructions |
| 20:45 | <annevk> | the event summary makes this somewhat confusing |
| 20:45 | <gsnedders> | Oh dear. |
| 20:46 | <zcorpan> | annevk: error doesn't bubble |
| 20:47 | <annevk> | meh |
| 20:47 | <annevk> | seems cumbersome to put onerror on each source element |
| 20:47 | <annevk> | oh well |
| 20:47 | <zcorpan> | why would you put it on each source element? |
| 20:48 | <annevk> | debugging :) |
| 20:48 | <zcorpan> | you could use a capturing listener for debugging purposes :) |
| 20:50 | <annevk> | if i put the script in the right place, yeah... |
| 20:51 | <Hixie> | zcorpan: i think a "your momma so fat" joke would work better with the html spec :-) |
| 20:51 | <Hixie> | "your momma so fat, she makes the html spec look small" |
| 20:52 | <Dashiva> | More like "she got the HTML5 spec as a tattoo" |
| 20:52 | <zcorpan> | lol |
| 20:53 | <Hixie> | lol |
| 20:54 | <annevk> | hehe |
| 21:09 | <mr_danie1> | back, thanks for the link annevk |
| 21:20 | <zcorpan> | content-aware fill looks nice |
| 21:25 | <paul_irish> | apparently its been available in GIMP for years as a plugin. looks almost better, actually: http://o3.tumblr.com/post/470608946/photoshops-caf-content-aware-fill-unbelievable |
| 21:26 | <Hixie> | "almost better" so "not quite as good"? :-) |
| 21:27 | <paul_irish> | heh. i think it's a little nicer, in fact. I perfered the resynthesizer's desert landscape job vs adobe's. |
| 21:29 | zcorpan | wasn't aware of GIMP-resynthesize |
| 21:29 | <zcorpan> | paul_irish: yes, the desert looks better |
| 21:30 | <zcorpan> | the sky in the first picture looks worse, but might be easily fixable |
| 22:21 | <Dashiva> | So RDFa 1.1 keeps xmlns unchanged, but also adds two additional ways to declare prefixes |
| 22:22 | <Dashiva> | And this is supposed to make it less complicated? |
| 22:24 | <Philip`> | Perhaps you could then define a profile of RDFa 1.1 that only includes one or two of the prefix declaration methods, to keep things simple |
| 22:26 | <gsnedders> | Anyone have any clue about ARM based computers? Like, what is decent and not overly expensive? |
| 22:32 | <jgraham> | gsnedders: Huh? Are there many ARM-based general purpose computers for sale? |
| 22:32 | <jgraham> | (or: what is your use case?) |
| 22:33 | <gsnedders> | jgraham: There are a few |
| 22:33 | <Philip`> | Does an iPhone count? |
| 23:08 | <Bolkonskij> | hi |
| 23:52 | <zcorpan> | reading the opera desktop team comments, it seems people don't understand what RC means |
| 23:57 | <gsnedders> | zcorpan: or "pre-pre-alpha" for that matter. |