| 00:12 | <Hixie> | i guess dragenter and dragover should be fired before the dropzone="" attribute is examined |
| 00:13 | <Hixie> | and the attribute should only take effect if the event is not canceled |
| 03:00 | <dominicdinada> | Question with CSS, pretty simple and just looking for an easy answer. When do you use # or . or ? like does # represent a class or id type |
| 03:01 | <gsnedders> | dominicdinada: #foo is for id=foo, .foo is for class=foo |
| 03:01 | <dominicdinada> | then what does the classless foo represent ? just basic values ? |
| 03:02 | <dominicdinada> | like h1, button, canvas ? |
| 03:03 | <boogyman> | `css3 selectors @ dominicdinada |
| 03:03 | <dominicdinada> | ok |
| 03:03 | <boogyman> | http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-selectors too* |
| 03:03 | <dominicdinada> | thank you for the quick information :D |
| 03:05 | <aho> | classes are the perfect hook for css, ids are the perfect hook for js :> |
| 03:05 | <aho> | oh. left. tsk :> |
| 08:15 | <Hixie> | nessy: if someone told me they wanted text that flew in as you describe, i would say "what's the use case?" and try to understand their underlying need. i certainly would not just assume that their need made sense. |
| 08:16 | <nessy> | sure, so that's the right question to ask :) |
| 08:24 | <Hixie> | the use case here is "be able to view video and listen to audio or do the equivalents when one is unable to use the relevant senses", however that's not what the requirements doc says :-) |
| 08:35 | <nessy> | the question is what you do after that |
| 08:35 | <nessy> | what's the consequence of that need? |
| 08:35 | <nessy> | so the use case for the web is "I need to see text on the screen" - so we don't need any of the fancy html markup, right? |
| 08:36 | <nessy> | you dig deeper and you ask what they are used to now and you get much of what is stated there |
| 08:37 | <nessy> | I agree that some stuff goes over the top, but so would any user asked for their requirements |
| 08:38 | <nessy> | so you start by satisfying the most important needs, one by one - I think you've done a great job at that, incidentally |
| 08:51 | <nessy> | say, you mentioned you will be looking at websrt again - do you have a rough idea when? |
| 10:35 | <annevk> | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39875964/ns/msnbc_tv-countdown_with_keith_olbermann/ -- whoa, I thought our elections were bad |
| 11:11 | <Dashiva> | What does "revert backwards" even mean? |
| 14:48 | <annevk> | haha http://html5zombo.com/ |
| 18:08 | <Okee> | Does anyone know of a credible textbook on html 5.0? |
| 18:09 | <aho> | remy sharp, bruce lawson - introducing html5 |
| 18:09 | <aho> | is pretty good |
| 18:09 | <Okee> | Is this actually a textbook as opposed to a reference book? |
| 18:10 | <aho> | text book (a well written one) |
| 18:10 | <aho> | it just provides some kind of overview though... well, the title gives that sorta away "introducing html5" :> |
| 18:10 | <aho> | but i really liked it |
| 18:10 | <aho> | read the whole thing in one go |
| 18:11 | <Okee> | Does it offer exercises? |
| 18:11 | <aho> | http://introducinghtml5.com/ |
| 18:11 | <aho> | no |
| 18:11 | <aho> | (not really needed imo) |
| 18:15 | <Okee> | Thanks. |
| 18:33 | <Okee> | Is anyone on here actually using html 5.0 in their websites? |
| 18:34 | <Okee> | I have attended a few presentations on html 5.0 and it sounds like there are still a few issues with Section 508 matters, but other than that it is ready to go. |
| 21:47 | <Hixie> | heycam: given what you wrote about sequence<T>, it seems that FileList being a sequence<T> in FileAPI is a bug |
| 22:38 | <MikeSmith> | anybody tried the new version of BBEdit? |
| 22:38 | <MikeSmith> | 9.6 |
| 22:38 | <MikeSmith> | "A syntax table is now in place for HTML5, so that Check Syntax, Tag Maker, and Edit Tag should now behave reasonably on HTML5 documents." |
| 22:38 | <MikeSmith> | http://www.barebones.com/support/bbedit/current_notes.html |
| 22:39 | <Steve^> | Maybe i'm being picky, but I prefer it when release notes say "Edit tag will now behave correctly" rather than "should behave reasonably" |
| 22:40 | <Steve^> | Seems like a lack of certainty |
| 22:41 | <Hixie> | the latter is probably more accurate :-) |
| 22:41 | <MikeSmith> | CYA language I guess |
| 22:42 | <Steve^> | CYA? |
| 22:42 | <MikeSmith> | cover your ass |
| 23:12 | <Dashiva> | "should now work" is also useful to mean "we've fixed all the known bugs, but we haven't checked the entire bug surface so it's quite possible more bugs with similar symptoms exist" |