| 00:36 | <dglazkov> | For your reading pleasure: http://glazkov.com/2011/01/14/what-the-heck-is-shadow-dom/ |
| 01:34 | <MikeSmith> | http://glazkov.com/2011/01/14/what-the-heck-is-shadow-dom/ is a great writeup |
| 01:37 | <beowulf> | http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/NoLayoutTable # i don't really care either way about this issue, but these points are, um, stretching the truth a bit |
| 01:47 | <TabAtkins> | Hehe, "that magnetic meme duo". |
| 01:57 | <MikeSmith> | TabAtkins: yeah, mother effing magic |
| 01:58 | <MikeSmith> | gsnedders: you got to ween yourself off of the Nabokov, man |
| 01:58 | <MikeSmith> | no good can come of it |
| 01:59 | <gsnedders> | MikeSmith: Friend at uni here is doing presentation on Pale Fire next week. So there's an excuse for it :P |
| 02:00 | <MikeSmith> | you should go heckle your friend during the presentation |
| 02:00 | <TabAtkins> | Holy crap: http://www.steampunkworkshop.com/victorian-all-one-pc |
| 02:04 | <pluma> | I expected a difference engine. I'm not impressed. |
| 02:05 | <TabAtkins> | Good. Less competition when I break into his house and steal it. |
| 02:45 | <Hixie> | beowulf: what points are stretching the truth? |
| 03:49 | <MikeSmith> | gsnedders: "A powerful black-metal alliance announced to fill Europe with a smell of blood and sulphur. The Swedish occultists of WATAIN get prepared for an unholy impact in collaboration with their suicidal brothers of SHINING and AOSOTH." |
| 03:49 | <MikeSmith> | "Through this Death Holy Death Tour, these masters of inverted doctrines pull down your good sense in life with some skull-crushing black metallic hymns which will cut into your flesh! With their current release titled “Lawless Darkness”, black metal militia WATAIN have demonstrated that the might of ravenblack spiritual music can abduct the listener into a kingdom of eternal darkness." Get afraid of the darkest assault of the |
| 04:27 | <Hixie> | TabAtkins: ok i filled in what we talked about (and some other stuff) http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/NoLayoutTable |
| 08:57 | <annevk> | Philip`, see pm |
| 09:03 | <hsivonen> | hmm. jd seems to be unhappy about Mozilla "expanding scope" to video: http://blogs.adobe.com/jd/2011/01/video-debate-cutting-to-the-chase.html |
| 09:15 | <hsivonen> | Hixie: avoiding undermining a decade of "stay the course" advocacy didn't deter you from not calling text/html XHTML and from obsoleting longdesc. |
| 09:15 | <hsivonen> | Hixie: why is it now an argument for staying the course with layout table propaganda? |
| 09:17 | <hsivonen> | Hixie: the UI of valitor.nu uses tables for aligning UI widgets but undoes the table display on narrow view ports using media queries, so the media query rationale isn't strong, either |
| 09:17 | <hsivonen> | *validator.nu |
| 09:18 | <hsivonen> | all in all, I think the ISSUE 130 counter-CP is rather weak in its argumentation |
| 09:50 | <annevk> | dglazkov? |
| 09:50 | <annevk> | hmm |
| 09:50 | <annevk> | "pseudo attribute" link is broken |
| 09:53 | <annevk> | krijnh, hahaha, meer twittergedichten graag |
| 10:39 | <annevk> | fyi, for everyone with a html5.org account, it's prolly a good idea to change passwords and check files |
| 11:38 | <krijnh> | There, the irc-logs for 2010 are closed, no more important line flagging |
| 13:17 | <jacobolus> | anyone know if in safari there's a keyboard shortcut for clicking a link that I currently have some text selected in? IIRC I could do that in Camino a few years ago, using enter or something: helpful when doing a search within the page |
| 13:18 | <jacobolus> | TabAtkins: sorry to be so slow at it, but I'm actually plugging away at the "perceptual attributes" gradient editor thing mentioned a month ago -- one of those bit-by-bit sort of projects. I have CIECAM02 implemented in JS in forward/reverse directions, and have started the code for graphing the values of J (lightness) C (chroma) h (hue) along a gradient |
| 13:21 | <jacobolus> | also, people on www-style don't seem to understand premultiplied alpha very well |
| 13:41 | <Evet> | do you know a common equivalent of XUL? |
| 15:15 | <Ms2ger> | Hmm, I get an email about rel=up and Thunderbird thinks it's spam. I wonder why that is |
| 18:01 | <dglazkov> | annevk: thanks for pointing out the URL type |
| 18:01 | <dglazkov> | tyope |
| 18:01 | <dglazkov> | arg |
| 18:01 | <dglazkov> | typo |
| 18:01 | <dglazkov> | :) |
| 18:02 | <annevk> | heh, good to know you read the logs |
| 18:05 | <dglazkov> | I usually don't, but I started seeing them in referrals |
| 18:06 | <krijnh> | Yes! Finally my name is in his referrals \o/ |
| 18:09 | <dglazkov> | whoa. you're a real person? |
| 18:10 | <krijnh> | Of course |
| 18:10 | <Philip`> | He is a construct of the cabal |
| 18:10 | <krijnh> | The backbone actually! ;) |
| 18:11 | <Dashiva> | He's represents the proletariat that carries the rest of us on their backs |
| 18:11 | <Dashiva> | -'s |
| 18:14 | <dglazkov> | I always assumed you're some Hixie's imaginary moniker, like, well, hixie or damowmow |
| 18:14 | <Dashiva> | Blasphemy, Hixie is his True Name |
| 18:15 | <dglazkov> | oh. Then apparently I know nothing about this world. |
| 18:15 | <krijnh> | -_- |
| 18:16 | <Dashiva> | I made a user script to create next/prev buttons, krijnh |
| 18:16 | <Dashiva> | So now I won't bug you anymore |
| 18:16 | <krijnh> | You bugged me? |
| 18:16 | <krijnh> | Hm |
| 18:18 | <Ms2ger> | Share! |
| 18:21 | <bga_> | omg https://developer.mozilla.org/en/using_files_from_web_applications#Using_hidden_file_input_elements_using_the_click%28%29_method |
| 18:21 | <bga_> | IE backs |
| 21:30 | <sephr> | Why can't you adopt doctypes from a clone of the current document view into the current document view? This code fails: var doc = document.cloneNode(true); /*remove all children from document...*/ document.adoptNode(doc.doctype) |
| 21:30 | <sephr> | document.adoptNode(doc.documentElement) works fine though |
| 21:31 | <sephr> | (you can try that in any non-webkit browser including IE9) |
| 21:32 | <sephr> | also, shouldn't using the document.styleSheets API trigger mutation events? |
| 21:42 | <tmzt> | anybody know what a <require> tag might look like? a <script> that doesn't pollute the global namespace? |
| 23:39 | <Hixie_> | hsivonen: longdesc advocacy never had any traction. I'm not sure what you mean by the "calling text/html XHTML" thing, there was serious advocacy on both sides of that (including from me for years before whatwg!) so I don't think the same situation applies. |
| 23:39 | <Hixie_> | hsivonen: why it's an orgument, and has been an argument, is listed in the rest of the CCP |
| 23:44 | <Hixie> | http://blogs.adobe.com/jd/2011/01/video-debate-cutting-to-the-chase.html would have more credibility (complaining about HTML design) if Adobe and j/d in particular actually ever sent real feedback on HTML |
| 23:45 | <Hixie> | sephr: adoptNode() is going away |
| 23:45 | <sephr> | Hixie: then how will I adopt nodes? |
| 23:45 | <sephr> | it'll be automatic? |
| 23:45 | <Hixie> | yeah |
| 23:45 | <sephr> | cool |
| 23:45 | <Hixie> | already is in many browsers |
| 23:45 | <sephr> | well my problem is still present if I skip adoptnode |
| 23:46 | <Hixie> | yeah the problem is probably more specific to DocType nodes |
| 23:46 | <sephr> | why can't you insert a doctype from another document into another document? |
| 23:46 | <Hixie> | dunno |
| 23:46 | <sephr> | nobody knows :/ |
| 23:46 | <Hixie> | ms2ger might be able to tell you |
| 23:46 | <sephr> | yet it's consistant with EVERY browser |
| 23:46 | <Hixie> | but he ain't here :-) |
| 23:46 | <Hixie> | maybe you can't remove a doctype once it's in a doc? |
| 23:46 | <Hixie> | try cloning the doctype itself |
| 23:46 | <sephr> | Hixie: I can /remove/ the doctype fine |
| 23:47 | <sephr> | and yeah I've clone the doctype itself |
| 23:47 | <sephr> | the problem has to do with separate views |
| 23:47 | <sephr> | I mean separate document views |
| 23:47 | <sephr> | and moving their doctypes to other document views |
| 23:47 | <Hixie> | document views? |
| 23:47 | <sephr> | Documents |
| 23:47 | <sephr> | DocumentViews |
| 23:47 | <sephr> | same thing |
| 23:48 | <sephr> | oh and could you help with my second question? |
| 23:48 | <sephr> | should stylesheet.insertRule('x{}', stylesheet.cssRules.length); trigger a DOM mutation event? |
| 23:48 | <sephr> | assuming the stylesheet is in the document |
| 23:49 | <sephr> | Hixie |