| 00:03 | <Bevan> | picture++ |
| 00:03 | <Bevan> | img set-- |
| 00:41 | <zewt> | Bevan: not helpful |
| 00:58 | <Bevan> | zewt. Acknowledged. |
| 00:58 | <Bevan> | :) |
| 03:45 | <inclement_bore> | ’twas two nights after srcset, and all through the chat |
| 03:46 | <inclement_bore> | not a creature was stirring, not even a... sig cat |
| 03:46 | <inclement_bore> | the use cases were hung on anything near |
| 03:46 | <inclement_bore> | in hopes that efficient scalable image delivery over the web ... |
| 03:46 | <inclement_bore> | ... would soon be here |
| 03:46 | <inclement_bore> | developers were nestled, all snug in their beds |
| 03:46 | <inclement_bore> | visions of media queries still danced in their heads |
| 03:47 | <inclement_bore> | implementers too, not impressed |
| 03:47 | <inclement_bore> | had just settled down for a long spring rest ... |
| 04:43 | <paul_irish> | gy |
| 04:44 | <paul_irish> | (whoops. IRC doesnt start gyazo. ignore.) |
| 05:50 | <heycam> | what's the reason appendix sections in CSS specs aren't numbered (like A.1, A.2, etc.)? |
| 05:51 | <heycam> | is is that the numbering scheme is ugly? |
| 06:53 | <hsivonen> | heycam: at least some CSS appendix naming forms a joke, but maybe that was only for CSS 2 and 2.1 |
| 06:53 | <heycam> | hsivonen, ah yes, for the appendix letters |
| 06:56 | <heycam> | hsivonen, though notice how if you jump to the bottom of http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/cover.html that appendix sections get numbers while those in http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-text/#contents don't |
| 06:58 | <hsivonen> | maybe the letter thing is for CSS 2/2.1 only |
| 06:58 | <hsivonen> | Hixie: I've successfully browsed the Web with 1rem == 18px for years |
| 07:36 | <webben> | What is the current pipeline for turning http://svn.whatwg.org/webapps/source into http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/FAQ#What_are_the_various_versions_of_the_spec.3F ? |
| 07:44 | webben | spots http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/html5/spec/Makefile |
| 07:55 | <jgraham> | webben: Brown paper and glue. And magic. |
| 07:56 | <webben> | jgraham: So I can see. |
| 07:56 | <jgraham> | Hixie has a highly-custom pipeline that is mostly calling various services that others are providing e.g. anolis, the (HTML-specific) spec spliter |
| 07:56 | <webben> | it looks like the w3c bits have makefiles |
| 07:57 | <webben> | is there a makefile for the whatwg "complete" version somewhere? |
| 07:57 | <jgraham> | No |
| 07:57 | <webben> | k |
| 07:57 | <jgraham> | Most of Hixie's pipeline is closed source because it is very environment specific |
| 07:58 | <jgraham> | But the complete version of the spec might be relatively easy to make since it is the most, well, complete |
| 07:59 | <jgraham> | http://pimpmyspec.net/ + the right options might get you a lot of the way there |
| 08:00 | <jgraham> | Of course, the output is conveniently provided, so I wonder what the motivation is ;) |
| 08:36 | smaug____ | doesn't always understand what people mean with 'polyfill' |
| 08:37 | <smaug____> | ahaa |
| 08:37 | <smaug____> | , silly word |
| 09:17 | <smaug____> | We should decide at some point what to do with FileSystem API |
| 09:23 | <smaug____> | hmm, webapps is the right place for that |
| 09:39 | <AryehGregor> | Is there a command-line HTML5 validator that's easy to install and use? |
| 09:44 | <MikeSmith> | AryehGregor: I put https://bitbucket.org/sideshowbarker/vnu together experimentally |
| 09:45 | <MikeSmith> | can download from https://bitbucket.org/sideshowbarker/vnu/get/2759dcb15031.zip |
| 09:45 | <MikeSmith> | or just clone the reop |
| 09:45 | <MikeSmith> | *repo |
| 09:45 | <MikeSmith> | see the "How to use the pre-built jars" part at https://bitbucket.org/sideshowbarker/vnu |
| 09:46 | <MikeSmith> | you can feed it a list of filenames |
| 11:18 | <Ms2ger> | <TabAtkins_> othermaciej: Heh, I can't believe we didn't actually define when MQs are true. ^_^ |
| 11:18 | <Ms2ger> | Really, you couldn't believe that? |
| 12:29 | <annevk> | in an async algorithm, are all observable changes queued tasks? |
| 12:29 | <annevk> | e.g. manipulation of the fullscreen elemetn stack |
| 12:34 | annevk | has the feeling nobody really cares about task queues |
| 13:39 | <zewt> | well, task queues are really just partial order guarantees, right? |
| 13:39 | <zewt> | (so if an implementation orders *all* queued events, they mostly don't have to care about them) |
| 13:58 | <EyePulp> | 'morning. [to whom it applies] |
| 16:18 | <dglazkov> | good morning, Whatwg! |
| 16:18 | <dglazkov> | I think I need to start a Good Morning CG. |
| 16:19 | Ms2ger | strangles dglazkov |
| 16:19 | <Ms2ger> | Good morning to you too |
| 16:19 | <dglazkov> | :) |
| 16:31 | <annevk> | hsivonen: curious (re twitter), what should the EU have used instead? |
| 16:32 | <companyhen> | Morning all. :D |
| 16:37 | ChrisWilson | mumbles something incoherent and goes and gets another cup of coffee |
| 16:48 | <Philip`> | dglazkov: You ought to start a wiki page listing the use cases for having a good morning, before anyone will take you seriously |
| 16:54 | <EyePulp> | heh - I just got that. |
| 16:54 | <jreading> | hee |
| 17:05 | <dglazkov> | Philip`: let's not forget the support forum, er.. mailing list. |
| 17:07 | <hsivonen> | annevk: E for example |
| 17:08 | <hsivonen> | annevk: you know, like FF and DM were plain ASCII before euro |
| 17:12 | <annevk> | heh |
| 17:12 | <annevk> | apparently our former currency didn't have a code point http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florin_sign |
| 17:14 | <Philip`> | On (at least) UK keyboard layouts, the € symbol is stuffed pretty inelegantly into a spare corner of the 4/$ key, which doesn't seem like great design |
| 17:14 | <Philip`> | (The ¬`| key is the only other one that typically follows that pattern) |
| 17:15 | <annevk> | hsivonen: the French had U+20A3 ₣ but also used F/FF indeed |
| 17:18 | <annevk> | some more browsing reveals that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbaijani_manat does not have a Unicode symbol while they do have a distinct sign |
| 17:18 | <annevk> | weird |
| 17:19 | <Philip`> | http://www.tcmb.gov.tr/yeni/iletisimgm/TurkishLira.php - "The upward pointing parallel lines symbolize the "steadily rising value" of the Turkish lira and the Turkish economy." - does that mean they'll redesign the currency symbol if their economy collapses? |
| 17:20 | <annevk> | heh, they got this one because it devalued so much |
| 17:21 | <hsivonen> | before euro, Finland use an ASCII-only currency abbreviation "mk" and it worked great |
| 17:22 | gsnedders | finds £ annoying with just ASCII — going for GBP as a suffix just seems weird |
| 17:22 | <Philip`> | gsnedders: Use "lb" instead |
| 17:23 | <annevk> | hsivonen: I typically use the three-letter code because that works great in Google :) |
| 17:24 | <annevk> | 1000 pen in eur please |
| 17:25 | <hsivonen> | in other news, it's terribly inconvenient that Ubuntu 12.04 ships Wine64 and the wine binary that ships with CrossOver (which looks like 32-bit Windows even on 64-bit host) is incompatible with winetricks |
| 17:26 | <hsivonen> | of course, CrossOver is supposed to make winetricks unnecessary, but CrossOver is broken |
| 18:43 | tantek | scrolls up and reads about currency symbols. |
| 18:44 | <tantek> | There's definitely quite a variety of ways that folks publish currency amounts on the web. |
| 18:44 | <tantek> | The three-letter code as annevk suggests is probably the easiest to both publish and search for. |
| 18:44 | <tantek> | But not what every locality is used to seeing - so... |
| 18:46 | <tantek> | anwyay - if anyone is interested in either reading more on currency publishing practices on the web or has further real world examples to add, please take a look at: http://microformats.org/wiki/currency-examples |
| 18:48 | <tantek> | and currency related formats respectively: http://microformats.org/wiki/currency-formats |
| 18:58 | <gavinc> | RDF HTML datatype in terms of DOM4 and HTML5 http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-concepts/index.html#section-html |
| 19:45 | <annevk> | gavin: why do you use <code> for what are <var>s? |
| 19:45 | <annevk> | euh gavinc |
| 19:45 | <annevk> | sorry gavin |
| 19:47 | <annevk> | gavinc: you don't need to invoke normalize() |
| 19:48 | <annevk> | gavinc: and if you don't pass a context element you'll get <html> and <body> etc. implied and you might get quirks mode parsing even... |
| 19:59 | <gavinc> | annevk: isn't normalize needed before using isEqualNode? |
| 20:01 | <gavinc> | annevk: What should the context node be in that case? |
| 20:19 | <annevk> | gavinc: normalizing already happens during parsing afaict |
| 20:19 | <annevk> | gavinc: dunno, kind of depends on what you want I guess |
| 20:20 | <gavinc> | annevk: A floating document fragment |
| 20:21 | <gavinc> | Something that came from, and be put back in a complete HTML document |
| 20:22 | <annevk> | hmm see discussion on public-webapps |
| 20:22 | <annevk> | we don't have a generic thing for that which works |
| 20:22 | <gavinc> | :( |
| 20:23 | <gavinc> | which discussion? |
| 20:24 | <gavinc> | all of it is going to take a good deal of reading... somewhere to start? |
| 20:27 | <annevk> | i guess you could go with what you have now or wait until contextless parsing is defined |