| 00:25 | <GPHemsley> | Is there by any chance a list of CSS properties that use url() and related resource-requesting methods? |
| 00:52 | <dekiss> | margin: 0px; margin-left: 10px; is this mistake? |
| 01:11 | <boogyman> | dekiss: yes, "0" does not have unit. |
| 01:12 | <SimonSapin> | (0px still works, of course. Unitless is just shorter.) |
| 01:13 | <SimonSapin> | dekiss: not a mistake, no. top, bottom and right will be 0px, left 10px |
| 01:15 | <dekiss> | yeah |
| 01:15 | <dekiss> | assigning 10 same properties with different values is not mistake in css it seem so.. |
| 01:17 | <SimonSapin> | shorthands are equivalent to having declarations for their longhands at the same place, and multiple declarations with the same name are fine: the last valid one is used |
| 01:17 | <boogyman> | dekiss: the rules of specificity define what gets defined as "most important" |
| 01:18 | <dekiss> | yeah |
| 01:19 | <dekiss> | oh guys |
| 01:19 | <dekiss> | im so exited abotu my project :) |
| 01:20 | <dekiss> | im not sure if I am doing this right ill paste code in jsfiddle for you to see ok? |
| 01:20 | <dekiss> | http://pastebin.com/XaBUFhmV |
| 01:21 | <dekiss> | please guys what you think about this html code? |
| 01:21 | <dekiss> | is it good? |
| 01:26 | <GPHemsley> | SimonSapin: Do you read the logs from when you're offline? |
| 01:26 | <SimonSapin> | GPHemsley: rarely |
| 01:26 | <SimonSapin> | why? |
| 01:26 | <GPHemsley> | I posted something in here for you earlier |
| 01:27 | <SimonSapin> | http://greenbytes.de/tech/tc/datauri/ this? Yes, I’m aware of it |
| 01:27 | <GPHemsley> | ah, ok |
| 01:28 | <SimonSapin> | but haven’t looked into it in details, nor have done anything with data: for some time |
| 01:28 | <GPHemsley> | oh |
| 01:28 | <GPHemsley> | alright |
| 01:29 | <SimonSapin> | Not sure when I’ll get to it … if someone else wants to work on data:, feel free to do so |
| 02:27 | <GPHemsley> | Is Document restricted to HTML/XML documents, or is it present in any document the browser loads? |
| 02:28 | <GPHemsley> | And, by extension, then, is a browsing context restricted to HTML/XML documents, or does it apply to any document the browser loads? |
| 08:15 | <Ms2ger> | GPHemsley, does http://www.whatwg.org/html/#read-text answer your question? |
| 13:55 | <GPHemsley> | Ms2ger: Actually, http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/history.html#read-media is probably more relevant |
| 13:55 | <GPHemsley> | But thanks for the pointer |
| 13:55 | <Ms2ger> | Well, yes, all the subsections there :) |
| 13:55 | <GPHemsley> | this document is so big, I have no idea these sections even exist |
| 13:55 | <GPHemsley> | I should really just assume that if I have a question, it's answered in the spec somewhere |
| 13:56 | <GPHemsley> | (which is probably why Hixie suggested I just keep the one-page version open all the time) |
| 13:57 | <Ms2ger> | Yeah, the kitchen sink picture is more accurate than is given account for :) |
| 13:58 | <GPHemsley> | interestingly, in addition to finding out about new sections, I also find out about new places mimesniff is implicitly referenced |
| 14:23 | <GPHemsley> | Ms2ger: 404 http://ms2ger.freehostia.com/tests/html5/browsing-the-web/load-text-plain.html |
| 14:23 | <GPHemsley> | from http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/show-tests.html?section=read-text |
| 14:23 | <Ms2ger> | Oh dear |
| 14:24 | <Ms2ger> | Should be http://w3c-test.org/web-platform-tests/master/html/browsers/browsing-the-web/read-text/load-text-plain.html |
| 14:24 | <Ms2ger> | But looks like it's broken... |
| 14:27 | <Ms2ger> | I'll fix when github comes back up |
| 14:34 | <GPHemsley> | github is down again? |
| 14:34 | <GPHemsley> | how are they able to get away with that? |
| 15:05 | <Ms2ger> | GPHemsley, should be fixed now |
| 15:40 | <GPHemsley> | Ms2ger: Out of curiosity, did you check for others? |
| 15:40 | <Ms2ger> | No |
| 15:40 | <GPHemsley> | (and, of course, the other problem is that this 404s too: http://w3c-test.org/web-platform-tests/common/text-plain.txt ) |
| 15:40 | <Ms2ger> | I need to look through them all at some point |
| 15:41 | <Ms2ger> | Refresh, I should have fixed that |
| 15:41 | <GPHemsley> | ah |
| 15:41 | <GPHemsley> | yup |
| 15:42 | <GPHemsley> | hmm... |
| 15:42 | <GPHemsley> | the reason Safari fails this test (which is the reason it caught my eye in the first place) is because it doesn't get "text/plain" out of it |
| 15:42 | <GPHemsley> | assert_equals: expected (string) "text/plain" but got (undefined) undefined |
| 15:43 | <GPHemsley> | Chrome is the same |
| 15:44 | <GPHemsley> | and apparently IE8 doesn't even run the test properly |
| 15:45 | <boogyman> | IE10 gives 404 too |
| 15:46 | <GPHemsley> | oh, right, I was reading somewhere that document.contentType is Mozilla-only |
| 15:46 | <GPHemsley> | IE has .mimeType, but WebKit doesn't have either |
| 15:46 | <GPHemsley> | (from what I've read) |
| 15:46 | <GPHemsley> | though apparently Opera doesn't have a problem |
| 15:47 | <Ms2ger> | It's in the spec ;) |
| 15:48 | <GPHemsley> | is it? |
| 15:48 | <GPHemsley> | these tests seem to be a problem all over |
| 15:48 | <GPHemsley> | apparently nobody implements this stuff except Mozilla |
| 15:49 | <GPHemsley> | (the read-media tests fail even worse than read-text) |
| 15:50 | <GPHemsley> | IE8 fails simply because it doesn't like data: URLs and redirects straight to them |
| 16:45 | <GPHemsley> | I can't figure out where multipart/x-mixed-replace is defined... |
| 16:45 | <GPHemsley> | and/or what its purpose is |
| 16:47 | <Ms2ger> | There's several assumptions there... |
| 16:50 | <GPHemsley> | ? |
| 16:52 | <Ms2ger> | That it is defined |
| 16:52 | <Ms2ger> | That it has a purpose |
| 16:56 | <zewt> | some definition in html... |
| 17:23 | <GPHemsley> | Ms2ger: I'll settle for a usecase or any indication as to why it is exists and is mentioned in the HTML spec :) |
| 17:35 | <zewt> | GPHemsley: the html spec mentions mjpeg |
| 17:36 | <GPHemsley> | ah, that instance of "multipart/x-mixed-replace" isn't linked |
| 17:36 | <GPHemsley> | that's why I didn't find it |
| 17:36 | GPHemsley | didn't search manually |
| 17:37 | <GPHemsley> | zewt: Thanks, though! |
| 17:42 | <GPHemsley> | looks to be the only instance not linked, despite being the only indication as what "multipart/x-mixed-replace" actually is |
| 17:47 | <GPHemsley> | Ms2ger: It's further confusing because a MIME type registration card for multipart/x-mixed-replace is included in the spec |
| 17:50 | <zewt> | perplexed by mail to www-dom |
| 17:51 | <zewt> | someone @chromium.org who is 1: surprised that exceptions are caught during event invocation and 2: reading the TR of dom level 2 |
| 18:44 | <Ms2ger> | zewt, hrm, I think the default is to propagate exceptions, actually... |
| 20:49 | <dekiss> | why IE didn't implemented transition in IE 9? |
| 20:49 | <dekiss> | I find this hard to understand |
| 22:20 | <zewt> | ms2ger (this is a test of the Ms2ger Reads Logs system): i don't think "spec algorithms propagate exceptions by default" makes sense, since that would leave the precise behavior underspecified |
| 22:21 | <zewt> | If this results in an exception, then abort the overall structured clone algorithm, with that exception being passed through to the caller." |
| 22:21 | <zewt> | thanks irc client for removing the first half of my line |
| 22:21 | <zewt> | in many places html says things like ^ |
| 23:02 | <dekiss> | is it dangerious to use new html5 elements? for security |
| 23:02 | <Hixie> | we don't really call it html5 anymore, it's just html |
| 23:03 | <Hixie> | and to answer your question: in general, no, though specific elements may have security concerns you should be aware of |
| 23:03 | <Hixie> | like iframe |
| 23:05 | <dekiss> | hey Hixie thanks for help |
| 23:06 | <dekiss> | when html 5 will be w3c recomendatiton (w3c implements it like html5.) |
| 23:06 | <dekiss> | and why it implements it like html5.. but thats another subject :) |
| 23:07 | <Hixie> | don't ask me, i don't see much point in the w3c's work on html |
| 23:07 | <dekiss> | I plan to use drag drop and content editable and such for my new website |
| 23:07 | <dekiss> | you work together on the spec? |
| 23:07 | <Hixie> | no, they just copy what we do and then screw it up |
| 23:08 | <dekiss> | hah :) |
| 23:08 | <Hixie> | (intentionally sometimes, unintentionally other times) |
| 23:08 | <dekiss> | I tell kids you work together on it ^^ :D |
| 23:08 | <zewt> | (you think he's joking) |
| 23:08 | <dekiss> | zewt nope :D |
| 23:08 | <dekiss> | hm |
| 23:09 | <dekiss> | Hixie I have though about this subject alot honestly, and I think that w3c had other plans for the web then browser vendors |
| 23:09 | <dekiss> | I think they wanted to make direction for the web in where it will go in the future |
| 23:10 | <Hixie> | it's a mistake to assign to the w3c a single desire or direction |
| 23:10 | <dekiss> | though I never have read xhtml specs entirely |
| 23:10 | <Hixie> | as a venue for multiple companies to discuss matters, there are many opinions |
| 23:14 | <zewt> | also the w3c can have all the "plans" for the web they want, they can also want a singing unicorn |
| 23:15 | <dekiss> | they are good people |
| 23:16 | <dekiss> | they mean good for web and people, its just different people different opinions |
| 23:16 | <zewt> | everyone means well, that doesn't go very far :) |
| 23:17 | <Hixie> | not sure what you mean by "good people" in this context |
| 23:17 | <dekiss> | if yo uask me, I want web to be free and opened to as much peopel as posible -(peopel with assistive technology most), |
| 23:17 | <Hixie> | i have definitely met people through the w3c who were quite happy to put their corporation's interests ahead of the web's |
| 23:17 | <Hixie> | which doesn't seem "good" to me |
| 23:17 | <Hixie> | q.v. the w3c working on drm now |
| 23:17 | <dekiss> | but that is only way web will go I think it will develop a lot in the future as the demand for it is enormous |
| 23:18 | <dekiss> | Hixie hm |
| 23:18 | <dekiss> | yeah there are such people everywhere |
| 23:18 | <dekiss> | when I say 'they' I refer to Tim :0 |
| 23:18 | <dekiss> | and people liek him, I beleive they hold key positions, but ye I am against paid membership |
| 23:19 | <dekiss> | its only around 2000 $ yearly for my country for 1 year membership |
| 23:19 | <Hixie> | not clear that tim does anything for the web these days, unless you count the rdf stuff, and i'm not even sure he's much involved in that anymore |
| 23:19 | <dekiss> | that means almost anyone can get in |
| 23:19 | <dekiss> | if you ask me I think there should not be paid membership, but only membership with some work done in the past, people with titles etc prizes |
| 23:20 | <dekiss> | not money |
| 23:21 | <dekiss> | Hixie I think its time for new ceo of w3c |
| 23:21 | <dekiss> | or he must take work in his hands |
| 23:21 | <dekiss> | and fix things |
| 23:22 | <dekiss> | I think web lacks a lot of legislation |
| 23:22 | <dekiss> | in my country for example they only added few laws that include web in 2-3 years ago |
| 23:23 | <dekiss> | and they have no idea how to regulate other stuff that is on the web |
| 23:23 | <dekiss> | first thing msut be done is forbid adult content from web at all liek chinese did |
| 23:24 | <tdsmith> | sounds uncontroversial |
| 23:24 | <dekiss> | here I watch 12 year old kids go on some "web portal" some bad web site and see - News, Poliics, Economy, SEX & EROTICS, sport, culture, showbiz.. |
| 23:24 | <dekiss> | I mean cmon.. every so called web portal has sex and erotics section these days |
| 23:24 | <dekiss> | at least in my country |
| 23:24 | <dekiss> | and next to the website there are ads from t-mobile and such.. |
| 23:25 | <dekiss> | second thing is microsoft and viruses |
| 23:25 | <dekiss> | and hacks |
| 23:25 | <dekiss> | ddos third |
| 23:25 | <dekiss> | etc |
| 23:25 | <dekiss> | imo icann iana ietf w3c wahtwg should come in one body and regulate this stuff asap |
| 23:26 | <dekiss> | add soem security work with countries to make legislations |
| 23:26 | <zewt> | ... standards bodies != governments ... |
| 23:27 | <dekiss> | zewt they must colaborate |
| 23:27 | <zewt> | (and the idea of the w3c influencing legislation is a bit terrifying) |
| 23:27 | <dekiss> | to make web good place |
| 23:27 | <dekiss> | not influencing but workign together with governments to make laws |
| 23:27 | <dekiss> | working together != influence |
| 23:28 | <zewt> | well no working together == influence |
| 23:28 | <dekiss> | someone with clear mind must forbid adult and bizzare content from web |
| 23:28 | <dekiss> | and all countries must apply that |
| 23:28 | <dekiss> | yo ucan find literally anything these days on the web |
| 23:28 | <dekiss> | and web is given to kids of 12 years or younger and they can easy see this content |
| 23:28 | <dekiss> | just write it on google and boom you have it.. |
| 23:29 | <dekiss> | that is very very bad for the world |
| 23:29 | <TabAtkins> | lolwut |
| 23:29 | <zewt> | TabAtkins: don't ask me |
| 23:29 | <dekiss> | someone must stand up and say from tomorow there is no adult content and bizzare content on the web and content is censored |
| 23:30 | <TabAtkins> | Lots of people stand up and say that today. They're all stupid, wrong, and don't get anything done besides wasting money. |
| 23:30 | <dekiss> | otherwise mee too will keep my kid away from the web, because I know what he can see easy on the web.. |
| 23:30 | <dekiss> | TabAtkins why you want bizzare content on the web? |
| 23:31 | <dekiss> | like videos of executions |
| 23:31 | <dekiss> | more bizzare is wehn I see these things on cnn but thats another subject |
| 23:31 | <dekiss> | TabAtkins chinese did something.. |
| 23:32 | <TabAtkins> | That's... not a model to follow. Massive, government-run censorship is a terrible, terrible idea, and you're going back on ignore now. |
| 23:32 | <dekiss> | someone must decide what web is and where it should go and make it go that way, and I think web can go in thousand directions other then atracting visitors with videos of executioning people |
| 23:32 | <dekiss> | and adult content and trading pirated material and getting money for that |
| 23:33 | <TabAtkins> | And if you actually think Chinese people can't get access to porn and "bizarre" things, you're extremely naive. |
| 23:33 | <dekiss> | TabAtkins im not sure what chinese people can or canot view |
| 23:33 | <dekiss> | but there must be some change on the top level for the web |
| 23:33 | <dekiss> | this got out of control already |
| 23:33 | <dekiss> | TabAtkins and ok I dont care if you put me on ignore :D |
| 23:33 | <zewt> | indeed, the internet badly needs more pornography |
| 23:34 | <zewt> | i think the w3c needs to see to that |
| 23:34 | <dekiss> | zewt |
| 23:34 | <dekiss> | hah nvm |
| 23:34 | <dekiss> | I disagree with you man |
| 23:34 | <dekiss> | but i wont put you on ignore coz im not frustrated nerd :D |
| 23:34 | <dekiss> | I respect other opinions as I value people that I sepak to |
| 23:34 | <dekiss> | al have points |
| 23:34 | <dekiss> | zewt tell me your point |
| 23:35 | <TabAtkins> | Unless the other people are "frustrated nerds", apparently. |
| 23:35 | <Philip`> | TabAtkins: I think your ignore feature is broken |