| 00:30 | <GPHemsley> | "When a <code>dialog</code> element is created, it must be placed |
| 00:30 | <GPHemsley> | + in the <span>mundanely aligned</span> mode, the user agent must <span>set up the default static |
| 00:30 | <GPHemsley> | + position</span> for that element, without an anchor." |
| 00:30 | <GPHemsley> | Hixie: Is there a word missing? |
| 00:31 | <GPHemsley> | "then", perhaps? |
| 00:32 | <GPHemsley> | or even better: "and then" |
| 00:32 | <GPHemsley> | hmm, maybe not better |
| 00:32 | <GPHemsley> | two sentences would probably be better |
| 00:32 | <GPHemsley> | betterer |
| 00:32 | <Hixie> | yeah, "and" |
| 00:32 | <Hixie> | oops |
| 00:33 | <GPHemsley> | "<Span>" |
| 00:35 | <Hixie> | fixed |
| 00:35 | <Hixie> | thanks |
| 02:14 | <GPHemsley> | Now in hyperlinked SVG goodness: http://whatwg.gphemsley.org/web.svg |
| 02:16 | <GPHemsley> | oh, wait, anolis generates references on the fly |
| 02:16 | <GPHemsley> | I couldn't have automated this directly |
| 02:16 | <GPHemsley> | \o/ |
| 02:16 | <shepazu> | GPHemsley, is that graphviz? |
| 02:17 | <GPHemsley> | yup |
| 02:17 | <GPHemsley> | source is here: http://whatwg.gphemsley.org/web.gv |
| 02:18 | <shepazu> | cool |
| 06:26 | <Ms2ger> | krijn down? |
| 06:29 | <Ms2ger> | GPHemsley, it might be cleaner if you only used the normative references |
| 10:26 | <krijn> | Ms2ger: am I? |
| 10:28 | <krijn> | On it! |
| 10:37 | <Ms2ger> | It seemed like that, at least |
| 10:37 | <Ms2ger> | It seemed like that, at least |
| 10:48 | <krijnh> | Back |
| 10:48 | <krijnh> | Back |
| 10:49 | <krijnh> | I'll ask TabAtkins what happened, he knows everything :) |
| 11:07 | <Ms2ger> | Thanks :) |
| 14:41 | <SteveF> | anybody know the syntax for writing multiple git commands on the same line? |
| 14:42 | <SteveF> | as in if i want to do git cherry-pick and git rm at same time rather than doing one then the other or is that not possible? |
| 14:50 | <SteveF> | worked it out ; |
| 15:20 | <GPHemsley> | Ms2ger: What does --dump-backrefs do? |
| 15:21 | <Ms2ger> | Something for clicking a definition and getting the references to it? |
| 15:23 | <GPHemsley> | oh |
| 15:23 | <GPHemsley> | ok, that's not what I want |
| 15:24 | <GPHemsley> | I want to add the ability to dump dependencies along with xrefs |
| 15:26 | <GPHemsley> | Ms2ger: Are you alright with that? |
| 15:27 | <Ms2ger> | Sure |
| 15:30 | <GPHemsley> | Ms2ger: Where's the best place to put it? xref.py? |
| 15:31 | <Ms2ger> | refs.py |
| 15:33 | <GPHemsley> | Well, I was gonna include it in the xrefs JSON file... |
| 15:38 | <Ms2ger> | Mm, do you need that? |
| 15:38 | <Ms2ger> | It seems pretty orthogonal |
| 15:39 | <GPHemsley> | the alternative is what, having all references in a single file? |
| 15:39 | <GPHemsley> | (the terminology here is confusing to me) |
| 15:39 | <GPHemsley> | what's a reference and what's a cross-reference? |
| 15:40 | <GPHemsley> | or should I have a dependencies.json? |
| 15:49 | <GPHemsley> | Ms2ger: What is specs.json used for? |
| 15:49 | <GPHemsley> | Ms2ger: What is specs.json used for? |
| 15:50 | <GPHemsley> | oh, right, data-anolis-spec |
| 15:50 | <Ms2ger> | Right |
| 15:50 | <GPHemsley> | shouldn't data-anolis-ref and data-anolis-spec be reconciled? |
| 15:50 | <Ms2ger> | So a reference is something for the References section, and a cross-reference is an inline link to a definition |
| 15:51 | <GPHemsley> | they use different IDs, with different case |
| 15:51 | <Ms2ger> | They do completely different thing :) |
| 15:51 | <Ms2ger> | s |
| 15:53 | <GPHemsley> | that doesn't mean they can't use the same ID, does it — it's one .json file per spec, right? |
| 15:53 | <GPHemsley> | (is CORS deprecated in favor of Fetch? what's the story there?) |
| 15:53 | <Ms2ger> | Well, no, they're different files :) |
| 15:53 | <Ms2ger> | The idea is the Fetch includes everything that CORS did, and more |
| 15:54 | <GPHemsley> | sorry, I shouldn't be asking two different questions at once.. |
| 15:54 | <GPHemsley> | specs.json lists the .json files that have the xrefs for various specs |
| 15:55 | <GPHemsley> | is there a reason we can't identify them by the ID used in references.json? |
| 15:56 | <Ms2ger> | I dunno, the references one is typically upper case, which we probably don't want for xrefs |
| 15:56 | <Ms2ger> | But matching them up case-insensitively seems fine |
| 15:56 | <Ms2ger> | Though I'm not sure I'd want to require that in Anolis |
| 15:56 | <GPHemsley> | why don't we want uppercase for xrefs? |
| 15:57 | <Ms2ger> | Because I don't want to write <span data-anolis-spec=DOMPARSINGANDSERIALIZATION>foo</span> |
| 15:57 | <GPHemsley> | oh, right, that's the other point I was making: they're not always the same, even case-insensitively |
| 15:58 | <GPHemsley> | but I guess we could add a "spec" field to references.json |
| 15:58 | <GPHemsley> | but that's probably orthogonal to the other thing I'm trying to do |
| 15:59 | <GPHemsley> | so, should I create a dependencies.json? |
| 16:00 | <GPHemsley> | it'd be a single file that'd be updated with each compilation of a src file |
| 16:01 | <GPHemsley> | oh, wait... references.json isn't even auto-generated, is it? |
| 16:01 | <GPHemsley> | hmm |
| 16:01 | GPHemsley | ponders whether that's relevant |
| 17:34 | <GPHemsley> | ah, darn it, I'll need some way to specify what the current spec is |
| 18:04 | GPHemsley | slaps Ms2ger with consistent indentation |
| 18:05 | <Ms2ger> | Yeah, I was young |
| 18:18 | <Ms2ger> | Heads up for javascripters: Array.values() is not web-compatible |
| 18:21 | <GPHemsley> | Do we have a policy on messing with other people's specs? |
| 18:21 | <GPHemsley> | Ms2ger: Also, did I see right that I have write permissions to anolis now? |
| 18:22 | Ms2ger | looks |
| 18:22 | <Ms2ger> | Looks like you do, yes |
| 18:23 | <GPHemsley> | so is it alright if I commit directly? |
| 18:23 | <Ms2ger> | I'd appreciate it if you tell me about first, but sure :) |
| 18:40 | <GPHemsley> | Ms2ger: Alright, changes coming (with a test!) |
| 18:41 | <GPHemsley> | oh, heh |
| 18:41 | <GPHemsley> | testing the wrong thing |
| 18:44 | <GPHemsley> | Ms2ger: What's the proper way to include a boolean argument in .options? |
| 18:45 | <GPHemsley> | and arguments with dashes, for that matter |
| 18:46 | <Ms2ger> | I think dashes -> underscores |
| 18:47 | <Ms2ger> | and just "foo": true for boolean arguments? |
| 18:47 | <Ms2ger> | and just "foo": true for boolean arguments? |
| 18:47 | <GPHemsley> | actually, nevermind |
| 18:47 | <GPHemsley> | it's not a boolean argument >_> |
| 18:49 | <GPHemsley> | hmm... |
| 18:50 | <GPHemsley> | Ms2ger: How do I test/compare a file that's not compiled directly? Or can I? |
| 18:50 | <Ms2ger> | You mean, compare the json or whatever? |
| 18:50 | <GPHemsley> | yeah |
| 18:51 | <Ms2ger> | I don't think the test runner does that at the moment :/ |
| 18:51 | <GPHemsley> | alright |
| 18:51 | <GPHemsley> | I suppose we can rely on hg for that for now |
| 18:51 | <Ms2ger> | wfm |
| 18:51 | <Ms2ger> | Want to file an issue so I can think about this once I have seas of free time? |
| 18:51 | <Ms2ger> | (When I retire, I guess) |
| 18:52 | <GPHemsley> | heh |
| 18:52 | <GPHemsley> | alright, I've added the actually --dump-refs test |
| 18:52 | <GPHemsley> | (my original test only tested refs, which was fine, because that also didn't have a test) |
| 18:53 | <GPHemsley> | this one kinda tests both now |
| 18:54 | <Ms2ger> | I've not exactly been disciplined about adding tests :) |
| 18:54 | <GPHemsley> | yeah, that's alright |
| 18:54 | <GPHemsley> | https://bitbucket.org/ms2ger/anolis/issue/15/add-support-for-testing-comparing-json |
| 18:54 | <Ms2ger> | Thanks |
| 18:55 | <GPHemsley> | see also my 3 commits |
| 18:57 | <Ms2ger> | Nice |
| 19:02 | <GPHemsley> | I'm working on getting xref updated to handle it |
| 19:26 | <GPHemsley> | Spec authors: If you could update your Makefile to add an entry like this: https://github.com/whatwg/mimesniff/commit/a42a0e361be3ea4038a17ddaa71f27a8f0ca8381 |
| 19:26 | <GPHemsley> | you'd populate the new files in xref/refs/ |
| 19:29 | <GPHemsley> | annevk, Hixie, Ms2ger, etc.: ^ |
| 19:29 | <Hixie> | i don't use anolis directly, i just invoke jgraham's service |
| 19:30 | <GPHemsley> | I'm not familiar |
| 19:31 | <GPHemsley> | oh, side note: you'll have to update your installation of anolis before that would work |
| 19:50 | <GPHemsley> | Ms2ger: Oh, BTW, I still get that test failure with the question mark (and why wouldn't I, since nothing changed :P) |
| 19:51 | <Ms2ger> | I still don't get it |
| 19:51 | <GPHemsley> | On another note, are we aware of this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anolis_grahami |
| 19:51 | <GPHemsley> | Ms2ger: Which part? |
| 19:51 | <GPHemsley> | I thought we decided it was html5lib |
| 19:54 | <GPHemsley> | oh, the version is hardcoded as 0.95 |
| 19:54 | <GPHemsley> | hmm |
| 19:55 | <GPHemsley> | actually, it's not clear to me which html5lib is being used |
| 19:56 | <GPHemsley> | the install script searches specifically for html5lib==0.95 |
| 19:56 | <GPHemsley> | but the instructions for anolis say to have your own copy of html5lib |
| 19:56 | <GPHemsley> | and mine is still the old hg/Google Code one |
| 19:58 | Ms2ger | sees html5lib>=0.95 |
| 19:58 | Ms2ger | wanders off |
| 20:00 | <GPHemsley> | oh, now I really broke things |
| 20:01 | <gavinc> | Nooo! comeback w3c dvcs :( HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error |
| 20:02 | <GPHemsley> | html5lib apparently now has a dependency on 'six' |
| 20:02 | <gavinc> | https://dvcs.w3.org/hg it's all gone! |
| 20:02 | <GPHemsley> | and using the latest html5lib breaks a whole bunch of anolis tests |
| 20:02 | <gavinc> | :( |
| 20:02 | <GPHemsley> | yikes |
| 20:03 | <GPHemsley> | hmm... html5lib seems to have changed the order of attributes |
| 20:03 | <GPHemsley> | jgraham: I don't suppose you're around? |
| 20:03 | <GPHemsley> | jgraham: I don't suppose you're around? |
| 20:06 | <GPHemsley> | gsnedders: Or you? |
| 20:10 | <GPHemsley> | Oh, hmm... apparently html5lib now maintains the existing attribute order? |
| 20:11 | <GPHemsley> | nope, that's not right |
| 20:12 | <GPHemsley> | I have no clue what's going on |
| 22:35 | <dekiss> | can I make contenteditable to not make new divs for each enter key I press? |
| 22:40 | <dekiss> | what is best way to make wysiwyg editor? |
| 23:07 | <dekiss> | can I put in html unicode code of some character and in browser to show the cahracter not t he code |
| 23:07 | <dekiss> | can I put in html unicode code of some character and in browser to show the cahracter not t he code |
| 23:17 | <slowhands> | hmm |
| 23:18 | <slowhands> | there is this component called CKEditor, it may be open source |
| 23:18 | <slowhands> | you might want to take a look at that |
| 23:57 | <dekiss> | slowhands, thanks for information |
| 23:57 | <slowhands> | np also check out redactor |
| 23:57 | <slowhands> | np also check out redactor |
| 23:57 | <dekiss> | yeah I know it I am concerned about security so I think ilkl make my own editor |
| 23:57 | <dekiss> | however |
| 23:57 | <dekiss> | <dekiss> enter is newline character in html? |
| 23:57 | <dekiss> | <dekiss> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/white-space |
| 23:57 | <dekiss> | <dekiss> which is newline character? |
| 23:57 | <dekiss> | <dekiss> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/white-space |
| 23:57 | <dekiss> | <dekiss> which is newline character? |
| 23:57 | <slowhands> | new line in html? |
| 23:57 | <slowhands> | you might want a <br> |
| 23:58 | <slowhands> | or <br/> depending on your html target |
| 23:58 | <Hixie> | you're unlikely to need a <br> |
| 23:58 | <Hixie> | unless you're doing a postal address or poem or some such |
| 23:59 | <slowhands> | the white-space property is extremely helpful |
| 23:59 | <slowhands> | especially when you don't want line breaks |
