| 00:16 | <Hixie_> | heycam|away: yt? |
| 00:17 | <Hixie_> | i wonder why setTimeout(window.open) works but addEventListener('click', window.open) doesn't |
| 00:20 | <zewt> | Hixie_: works for me in chrome (opens a window against the URL "[object%20MouseEvent]") |
| 00:20 | <zewt> | against window.addEventListener |
| 00:20 | <Hixie_> | wow, really? |
| 00:20 | <Hixie_> | weird |
| 00:20 | <Hixie_> | what's your chrome://version say? |
| 00:20 | <zewt> | it's never really clear to me when "detaching" a member function of an object is supposed to work |
| 00:21 | <zewt> | a lot |
| 00:21 | <zewt> | 29.0.1547.66 (Official Build 220848) m |
| 00:21 | <Hixie_> | mine is 32.0.1700.6 (Official Build 233388) dev |
| 00:21 | <Hixie_> | interesting |
| 00:21 | <Hixie_> | i guess they changed that recentlyish |
| 00:21 | <zewt> | like, i remember trying to do "foo = console.log; foo('bar')" and it not working |
| 00:21 | <zewt> | (which I understand, but it's weird that it *sometimes* works) |
| 00:21 | <Hixie_> | you need console.log.bind(console) probably |
| 00:21 | <zewt> | yeah i get that |
| 00:21 | <Hixie_> | otherwise you're calling window.log |
| 00:21 | <Hixie_> | or whatever |
| 00:21 | <Hixie_> | well, not really |
| 00:22 | <Hixie_> | but you know what i mean |
| 00:22 | <zewt> | well it's calling the function, but with no console bound to it |
| 00:22 | <zewt> | yeah |
| 00:22 | <zewt> | i guess with window.log the "default" behavior just happens to be the same thing (window), so it works? |
| 00:22 | <zewt> | er |
| 00:22 | <zewt> | window.open |
| 00:22 | <zewt> | (or sometimes works, anyway) |
| 00:22 | <Hixie_> | maybe? except it doesn't work for me anymore :-) |
| 00:22 | <Hixie_> | except in setTimeout, it works there... |
| 00:22 | <zewt> | right, "sometimes" :P |
| 00:22 | <Hixie_> | i should try binding it i guess |
| 00:23 | <Hixie_> | next time maybe |
| 00:23 | <zewt> | guess i'll restart chrome to let it update |
| 00:23 | <zewt> | now 30.0.1599 |
| 00:23 | <zewt> | fwiw same thing in that version |
| 00:24 | <zewt> | same behavior in FF 23 |
| 00:24 | <Hixie_> | i'm on ff25 |
| 00:25 | <Hixie_> | and both throw for me |
| 00:25 | <zewt> | maybe we're not testing it the same way? |
| 00:25 | <zewt> | i'm just doing window.addEventListener("click", window.open) and clicking the page |
| 00:26 | <Hixie_> | oh, then you're testing on a window |
| 00:26 | <Hixie_> | i was testing on a button |
| 00:26 | <Hixie_> | http://www.hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/html/script/callbacks/001.html |
| 00:26 | <Hixie_> | er |
| 00:26 | <Hixie_> | http://www.hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/html/script/callbacks/002.html |
| 00:26 | <Hixie_> | buttons 4 and 5 |
| 00:26 | <Hixie_> | if you test on a window, then yeah, the 'this' is probably the window |
| 00:26 | <Hixie_> | so it magically works |
| 00:26 | <zewt> | right |
| 00:26 | <Hixie_> | i commented on the bug https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19211 that i should update the test to bind() |
| 00:26 | <Hixie_> | will do that before changing the spec |
| 00:27 | <Hixie_> | probably monday |
| 00:28 | <zewt> | it makes sense that it would work on setTimeout (this == window) but not during event handling on a random element (this == some element) |
| 00:28 | <Hixie_> | yeah. |
| 00:28 | <Hixie_> | ok, gotta go. |
| 00:28 | <zewt> | have fun going |
| 01:45 | <annevk> | So all the script concepts have moved around... Note to self: when Hixie_ complaints about Fetch changes, toss this back at him ;P |
| 01:45 | <Hixie_> | this was required because the old stuff was wrong |
| 01:46 | <Hixie_> | (are you relying on this? i wasn't aware of anyone but webidl relying on it, and the changes were made to make webidl work better) |
| 01:47 | <annevk> | Hixie_: XMLHttpRequest relies on script's base URL, origin, and referrer source for workers |
| 01:47 | <annevk> | Hixie_: Notification in general relies on script's base URL |
| 01:47 | <Hixie_> | ah, hm, interesting |
| 01:47 | <jgraham> | zcorpan: https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/showcomment?chain=661 |
| 01:48 | <Hixie_> | annevk: file a bug on me to give you updated text? |
| 01:48 | <annevk> | Hixie_: I'll figure it out and learn something new |
| 01:48 | <Hixie_> | annevk: (i wouldn't update yet, we're not 100% sure this is the end point yet) |
| 01:48 | <annevk> | Hixie_: ah okay |
| 01:48 | <Hixie_> | annevk: k. i should probably check your specs to make sure i'm not gonna break you, anyway |
| 01:49 | <Hixie_> | annevk: i'll file a bug |
| 01:50 | <Hixie_> | annevk: ok, filed https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23780 -- btw this might also affect DOM, with addEventListener and friends. we'll see. see also bug https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19211 |
| 01:50 | <sangwhan__> | TTWF with completely broken wifi, http://software.intel.com/sites/default/files/wonrg_0.jpg |
| 01:55 | <zcorpan> | jgraham: replied |
| 01:56 | <sangwhan__> | jgraham: what's the ratio of critic based reviews for web-platform-tests compared to non critic reviews? (i've been hearing from a lot of people they don't like critic, and i'm pretty biased in that regard) |
| 01:58 | <zcorpan> | http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/2626 hmmmm |
| 02:02 | <annevk> | Hixie_: interesting bug |
| 02:02 | <Hixie_> | that's one word for it |
| 02:04 | <annevk> | Took us about a decade to get here. But we're finally defining script architecture. |
| 02:10 | <jgraham> | sangwhan__: All the reviews I do are critic based at least. Who doesn't like it? |
| 02:10 | <jgraham> | Could find real stats I guess |
| 02:11 | <jgraham> | (I want to know so that we can figure out the issues, not to send round the heavies) |
| 02:14 | <annevk> | No The Last of US, and no Twitter to complain about it... |
| 02:17 | <zcorpan> | annoying when i can't decide which spec to file a bug against, html, svg, dom, selectors? https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23781 |
| 02:22 | <annevk-cloud> | zcorpan: given that for DOM they are case-sensitive apart from a matching method I think that argues for Selectors |
| 02:22 | <annevk-cloud> | zcorpan: depends a bit on how handwavy Selectors stays |
| 02:44 | <jgraham> | annevk-cloud: zcorpan is at the front left here |
| 03:06 | <GPHemsley> | Is any HTML attribute truly required? (I can't find one.) |
| 05:21 | <benschwarz> | Hixie_: yt? |
| 05:51 | <zcorpan> | my macbook is annoying again. can't click with the trackpad :-( |
| 08:02 | <SimonSapin> | annevk-cloud: is there something I can point to to support Attr not being a Node? |
| 08:03 | <SimonSapin> | dom.spec.whatwg.org only says "// historical" near the ATTRIBUTE_NODE constant |
| 08:05 | <annevk-cloud> | It does not inherit from Node… |
