| 00:46 | <mrbkap> | dglazkov: Are you still there? |
| 00:46 | <dglazkov> | mrbkap: yup |
| 00:48 | <mrbkap> | dglazkov: Are lifetime callbacks supposed to be called in order of when they are generated globally or in order for their microtask? |
| 00:50 | <mrbkap> | dglazkov: I might be lost in the spec, but I think the way it's specified right now, the spec might end up processing the same lifetime callbacks multiple times. |
| 00:50 | <dglazkov> | mrbkap: the element/callback queues is what provides the order. |
| 00:50 | mrbkap | doesn't have a concrete example yet. |
| 00:53 | <mrbkap> | dglazkov: I think I'm having a hard time reasoning about this because the spec puts the lifetime callback queues on the elements themselves. |
| 00:53 | <mrbkap> | dglazkov: Which means that when a lifetime callback recursively causes another lifetime callback, we push that element onto the new queue. |
| 00:54 | <zewt> | perplexed at chrome messing up with simple things, like how ^T opens at tab way at the end of the tabs, instead of after the focused tab |
| 00:54 | <dglazkov> | mrbkap: there's only one queue per element, so that shouldn't happen |
| 00:54 | <zewt> | on the web, apparently no problems are really solved problems |
| 00:54 | <mrbkap> | oops, I missed that we remove each processed callback before calling it. |
| 00:55 | <mrbkap> | okay, cool. |
| 00:55 | <dglazkov> | yay! |
| 00:56 | <darobin> | serious side-effects of jet lag: seeing dglazkov in the morning |
| 00:56 | <dglazkov> | cannot be unseen |
| 00:56 | <mrbkap> | With enough alcohol... |
| 00:57 | <darobin> | with enough alcohol he starts being a voice in your head |
| 01:07 | <TabAtkins> | Ms2ger: The errata is public, but I forget where. It's hidden somewhere stupid. |
| 01:22 | <dglazkov> | darobin: that's the final phase |
| 01:23 | darobin | shudders at the thought of what happens after that... |
| 01:23 | <dglazkov> | darobin: btw, did you see that hayato converted shadow DOM spec to ReSpec? |
| 01:23 | <dglazkov> | http://w3c.github.io/webcomponents/spec/shadow/ |
| 01:25 | <darobin> | oooh |
| 01:25 | <nimbu> | omg the SPEC OF SHADOWS |
| 01:26 | <darobin> | 286 warnings, nice :) |
| 01:29 | <darobin> | dglazkov: this is sweet; if hayato has any questions I'm happy to help any time |
| 01:30 | <darobin> | oh, and I hadn't noticed that webcomponents had moved to GH, that's much better than dvcs.w3 |
| 01:41 | <MikeSmith> | I hear http://memecrunch.com/generator/custom/ is working as expected again now |
| 01:42 | <nimbu> | whats the best new memes on W3C since TPAC |
| 01:42 | <nimbu> | or wait is tpac still going on |
| 01:43 | <darobin> | nimbu: tpac is still on |
| 01:43 | <nimbu> | darobin: are you all wearing the beloved mandrin tpac shirts |
| 01:43 | <nimbu> | making you look like party members |
| 01:43 | <darobin> | nimbu: not I at this moment, but there's a lot of that going on yes |
| 01:43 | <nimbu> | darobin: you all gotta take group photo wearing that |
| 01:44 | <TabAtkins> | nimbu: TPAC is, in fact, happening at this very moment. |
| 01:44 | <nimbu> | sylvain needs to get a hat with that long hair |
| 01:44 | TabAtkins | has been attending from California this week. |
| 01:44 | <darobin> | nimbu: yeah, that's a good idea actually |
| 01:44 | <nimbu> | TabAtkins: ahaha that sounds like a nightmare |
| 01:44 | <nimbu> | to attend from california |
| 01:44 | <TabAtkins> | It's kinda bad, but whatever. Meetings go from 5pm to 2am. |
| 01:44 | <nimbu> | :|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| |
| 01:44 | <nimbu> | cray |
| 01:45 | <nimbu> | darobin: MAKE IT HAPPEN ROBINNNNNNNNNNNN |
| 01:45 | <nimbu> | YOU DA MAN |
| 01:45 | <darobin> | 5pm to 2am isn't so bad |
| 01:45 | <darobin> | it could be the other way around |
| 01:48 | <darobin> | nimbu: I'm not sure if I can get a bunch of TPAC people doing that, on the fourth evening people are completely unmanageable |
| 01:48 | <darobin> | (as opposed to the first evening, where everyone is piled up on the same table drinking) |
| 01:48 | <darobin> | but there's a team meeting on Sunday, so you might expect at least that pic with the whole w3c :) |
| 01:48 | <nimbu> | :))) |
| 01:48 | <nimbu> | YES PLZ |
| 01:49 | <nimbu> | i am sure someone can make a meme picture out of it |
| 01:49 | <nimbu> | okay GTG BAI TPACS |
| 01:49 | <TabAtkins> | darobin: You can always get a picture at the werewolf game. |
| 01:50 | <darobin> | TabAtkins: yeah, but that's only ~25 peeps |
| 04:00 | <zewt> | oops, did view image on a 1920x1080 pixel canvas in firefox |
| 04:00 | <zewt> | time to wait for the braindamaged thing to put a ~10mb data url in the address bar |
| 04:01 | <zewt> | one case where persisting a blob url would be a big win |
| 04:38 | <zcorpan> | should we make EventSource() Worker() SharedWorker() use utf-8 as the url character encoding? |
| 09:16 | <zcorpan_> | jgraham_: why does http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/2636 time out the harness? |
| 09:20 | <zcorpan_> | looks like done() is broken? http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/2637 |
| 09:20 | <zcorpan_> | jgraham_: ^ |
| 14:42 | <zcorpan> | can someone merge https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/243 kthxbye |
| 14:44 | <Ms2ger> | "We can�t automatically merge this pull request" |
| 14:44 | <Ms2ger> | Oh, and that someone would need to fix up the whitespace |
| 14:46 | <jgraham_> | I am on it |
| 14:51 | Ms2ger | wonders why zcorpan asked |
| 14:52 | <Ms2ger> | Okay, that someone didn't fix the whitespace? |
| 14:52 | <jgraham_> | Ms2ger: I don't understand the question, but I fixed the merge conflict and pushed |
| 14:53 | <zewt> | if(undefined == toStart) yoda conditionals write not |
| 14:53 | <Ms2ger> | And Yoda definitely wouldn't use ==! |
| 14:54 | <zewt> | someone i know uses yoda conditionals ... for inequalities D: |
| 14:55 | <zewt> | it both makes things impossible to read, and even misses the original *point* (as misguided as it is) of yoda conditionals |
| 14:56 | <Ms2ger> | if (undefined !== foo)? |
| 14:57 | <zewt> | if(0 < foo && 10 > foo) |
| 14:58 | <Ms2ger> | Still not as bad as lisp |
| 14:58 | <Ms2ger> | (if (< 0 foo)... |
| 15:28 | <FireFly> | (if (< 0 foo 10) ... |
| 15:39 | <Ms2ger> | TabAtkins, yeah, that was what I was thinking too... Let me know if you ever find it (re css2.1+) |
| 15:41 | <jgraham_> | ?iffoo < 0 if foo [...] then; |
| 15:42 | <jgraham_> | I think |
| 15:42 | <Ms2ger> | jgraham_, what's that? |
| 15:42 | <jgraham_> | Forth, I think |
| 15:43 | <jgraham_> | Well it was intended to be, but I have never written any forth in my life |
| 15:43 | <zewt> | wow what the |
| 15:43 | <Ms2ger> | Reverse Polish, eh |
| 15:43 | <zewt> | now some w3c tracker page keeps randomly trying to close |
| 15:44 | <zewt> | i'm off doing something else and a chrome window steals focus to go ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO LEAVE |
| 15:44 | <jgraham_> | Yeah, I think you put < and 0 on the stack and then if pops the last two items on the stack, or something |
| 15:44 | <zewt> | i don't even know which one, since the focused tab is ... gmail |
| 15:44 | <jgraham_> | Oh, probably don't have "foo" |
| 15:47 | <jgraham_> | Maybe ?foo 0 < [...] then ; |
| 15:47 | <jgraham_> | This is probably not the right forum to learn stack-based programming in real time without actually trying to think |
| 15:47 | Ms2ger | wonders how jgraham_ ended up with Forth |
| 15:48 | <jgraham_> | I was thinking of languages that would have weirder if syntax than lisp |
| 15:48 | <Ms2ger> | Ah |
| 16:11 | <MikeSmith> | Ms2ger: I really don't remember initiating a PR with a th.js file in it |
| 16:12 | <Ms2ger> | MikeSmith, no, I meant a PR of mine in the testharness.js repo |
| 16:12 | <MikeSmith> | oh |
| 16:12 | <Ms2ger> | But you were talking about w3c-test:mirror on wpt, I think |
| 16:12 | <MikeSmith> | ah that |
| 16:12 | <MikeSmith> | yeah |
| 16:13 | <Ms2ger> | Anyway, class over |
| 16:13 | <MikeSmith> | sorry for that noise |
| 16:13 | Ms2ger | poofs |
| 16:13 | <Ms2ger> | Np |
| 16:23 | <espadrine> | where are w3c css tests going? Should they be in <https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests>;? What's the status? |
| 16:26 | <MikeSmith> | espadrine: in a separate repo |
| 16:26 | <MikeSmith> | a mercurial repo |
| 16:26 | <MikeSmith> | at dvcs.w3.org |
| 16:26 | <MikeSmith> | and then they get mirrored at github |
| 16:26 | <espadrine> | MikeSmith: oh, found it, <https://hg.csswg.org/test/>; |
| 16:27 | <MikeSmith> | OK |
| 16:27 | <espadrine> | thanks |
| 17:11 | <SimonSapin> | espadrine: I believe the plan it to move CSS tests into web-platform-tests, but there is also a bunch of infrastructure to port https://test.csswg.org/shepherd/ |
| 17:13 | <MikeSmith> | SimonSapin: I think it's safe to say there's a low chance of the Shepherd stuff every getting used by any other groups except CSS |
| 17:13 | <espadrine> | SimonSapin: ah ok |
| 17:14 | <MikeSmith> | I don't know what the current state of discussion around porting it over to w-p-t but if it is brought over, it'll be only for use by the CSS WG |
| 17:16 | <MikeSmith> | I think (hope) that the long-term plan is to come up with a common system that meets whatever the same basic use case is that Shepherd was intended for, but that's instead based on requirements that we all actually agree with |
| 17:17 | <MikeSmith> | instead of what Shepherd is based on, which if it's like the rest of the CSS WG infrastructure, is based on idiosyncratic requirements that the CSS WG is the only group that has |
| 17:17 | <MikeSmith> | or claims to have |
| 17:17 | <MikeSmith> | anyway |
| 17:27 | <dglazkov> | good morning, Whatwg! |
| 17:28 | <SimonSapin> | MikeSmith: I don’t know more than that, I only heard about it yesterday |
| 17:28 | <SimonSapin> | but yes, this would be a good conversation to have |
| 17:28 | <MikeSmith> | SimonSapin: yeah |
| 17:28 | <SimonSapin> | probably with plinss |
| 17:29 | <MikeSmith> | jgraham_ and tobie and rebecca hauck have already been discussing it with peter linss |
| 17:29 | <MikeSmith> | SimonSapin: yeah |
| 17:40 | <Ms2ger> | Fwiw, my approach to CSS tests right now is "wait" |
| 17:44 | <MikeSmith> | that seems to be everybody's approach right now |
| 17:44 | <MikeSmith> | I think Peter may be waiting for it to never happen |
| 17:44 | <MikeSmith> | waiting it out |
| 17:53 | <hober> | wu wei |
| 17:56 | <MikeSmith> | hober: another master for us to learn from |
| 17:57 | <Ms2ger> | I guess if it doesn't work out, I'll just start putting tests into wpt |
| 18:08 | <hsivonen> | argh. I read some www-tag email and now I'm agitated about proposals to sniff bomless UTF-32 |
| 18:33 | <SimonSapin> | hsivonen: I want to kill most of http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/syndata.html#charset , but I really don’t want to argue about it in a meeting :/ |
| 18:34 | <Ms2ger> | Watch out, you might end up in a meme that way |
| 18:36 | <MikeSmith> | that might be an uncomfortable place to be tonight |
| 22:31 | <Hixie_> | huh |
| 22:32 | <Hixie_> | navigating to javascript:foo essentially does the same as document.open();document.write(eval('foo'));document.close() |
| 22:33 | <Hixie_> | hm, no, nevermind |
| 22:33 | <Hixie_> | i misinterpreted the result of a test |
| 23:34 | <Hixie_> | annevk: yt? |
| 23:42 | <Hixie_> | section 3.2 of http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-hoehrmann-javascript-scheme-00.txt is awesome |
| 23:42 | <Hixie_> | it sounds fancy, but the four steps boil down to: |
| 23:42 | <Hixie_> | 1. get the data |
| 23:42 | <Hixie_> | 2. figure out what to do with the data |
| 23:42 | <Hixie_> | 3. do it, and remember the result |
| 23:42 | <Hixie_> | 4. process the result |
| 23:43 | <Hixie_> | (with no more detail than that, except step 1 points to an algorithm to say how to get the data) |
| 23:43 | <Hixie_> | section 3.1 is the only section of that spec that's not trivial |
| 23:44 | <Hixie_> | let's see if it's right... |
| 23:45 | <Hixie_> | uh oh, i might need to hand-parse the URL field |
| 23:45 | <Hixie_> | that ought to be fun |