05:36
<annevk>
TabAtkins: so CSS Paint having side channels seems like a big problem? I guess it depends a bit on what it gets to paint, but anything sensitive will have this issue
05:45
<TabAtkins>
We don't have anything sensitive exposed to selectors besides :visited, and I opened an issue to solve that part once and for all.
05:45
<TabAtkins>
The side channel is just a timing attack; there are multiple ways to achieve that, Paint is just higher bandwidth
06:47
<annevk>
Well from that issue it seems like there is a communication channel
06:47
<annevk>
With width
06:48
<annevk>
Which would allow fingerprinting of CSS paint impl specifics and such
06:59
<hayato>
smaug____: It doesn't look: https://cs.chromium.org/chromium/src/third_party/blink/renderer/core/dom/document.h?q=KLoadListener&sq=package:chromium&g=0&l=863
07:00
<hayato>
smaug____: However, maybe I am not aware. I am aware only the list in document.h.
09:06
<smaug____>
k
09:06
<smaug____>
hayato: thanks. I'll keep debugging that bug
10:59
<zcorpan>
Hello whatwg
11:53
<Ms2ger>
Hello author
13:57
<annevk>
I suppose jyasskin is already on leave? I wonder if https://github.com/whatwg/fetch/issues/784 requires any action on my part at this point; I'm inclined to wait
14:08
<jyasskin>
@annevk: I'm not quite out, although definitely by Wednesday. But #784 doesn't need anything for now, unless you want me to handle the monkeypatches in WICG/webpackage#281 differently. Even that can probably wait until I get back in November.
14:11
<annevk>
jyasskin: thanks, and success juggling both of them!
14:12
<jyasskin>
:)
17:28
<annevk>
foolip: MikeSmith: we should do TLS 1.3
17:28
<annevk>
https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2018/08/13/tls-1-3-published-in-firefox-today/
17:30
<Domenic>
I have a feeling that will require bleeding-edge nginx extensions
17:31
<gsnedders>
yeah there's very little supporting TLS 1.3 at this point
17:59
<foolip>
annevk: if Domenic is right that would require more complicated setup, ot perhaps upgrading Debian
18:00
<jyasskin>
ekr or davidben are likely to know for sure.
18:09
<TimothyGu>
foolip: what debian version are we on right now?
18:11
<TabAtkins>
Domenic: omg, do you have do the the `.X\58X` thing in the stylesheet to avoid it getting blocked by filters?
18:11
<TabAtkins>
(context for others: https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/3911/files#diff-36cd38f49b9afa08222c0dc9ebfe35ebL87)
18:12
<foolip>
TimothyGu: I'd have to log in to check, but I think stretch
18:12
<TimothyGu>
ah
18:13
<zcorpan>
TabAtkins: i'm not sure what filters you mean, but iirc the html build system complains about "XXX" (so it can be used to mark unfinished work)
18:13
<zcorpan>
that or it was used to track actual issues
18:13
<TabAtkins>
Ah, kk. I'm referring to braindead internet filters that block pages that contain strings that indicate porn or similar.
18:14
<zcorpan>
ah yeah it's not that