| 02:00 | <boogyman> | sounds like a great ploy to make sure things are trackable, where the dynamic re-assignment helps anonymity. |
| 10:22 | <annevk> | GPHemsley: I have an idea |
| 10:22 | <annevk> | GPHemsley: if you log into the wiki we have these huge banners on top |
| 10:22 | <annevk> | GPHemsley: what if we give those a max-width and float them to the right? |
| 10:23 | <GPHemsley> | Cache has been invalidated. Sorry for the unpleasant wait, everyone! |
| 10:23 | <annevk> | GPHemsley: also, I don't think we really need the second note on where to discuss changes to the specification |
| 10:23 | <annevk> | GPHemsley: \o/ |
| 10:42 | <GPHemsley> | annevk: I've made some changes in an attempt to address your issues. |
| 10:42 | <GPHemsley> | annevk: Take a look at the results and let me know what you think. |
| 10:42 | <GPHemsley> | annevk: But as an administrator, you have the rights to make changes yourself, if you want: |
| 10:42 | <GPHemsley> | https://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Anonnotice |
| 10:43 | <GPHemsley> | https://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css |
| 11:06 | <annevk> | GPHemsley: thanks and thanks for the info |
| 11:06 | <GPHemsley> | annevk: Just don't go too crazy ;) |
| 11:17 | <GPHemsley> | To Whom It May Concern: I'll probably be updating the wiki later today. It's not especially high-traffic, but just so you know. |
| 11:18 | <GPHemsley> | (Somewhere around midnight UTC, give or take) |
| 12:14 | <annevk> | Everyone that cares about cache modes: https://github.com/slightlyoff/ServiceWorker/issues/412#issuecomment-58646963 |
| 12:17 | <annevk> | darobin_: web-platform-tests has open PRs from 15 Jan 2013 |
| 12:17 | <darobin> | annevk: I know, some of those are probably even mine |
| 12:18 | <darobin> | annevk: reviewing tests takes an awful lot of time, and we have few people doing it |
| 12:18 | <darobin> | any help is certainly extremely welcome |
| 12:19 | <darobin> | annevk: if you can think of people who could help, or of a way of agitating for folks to join the effort, by all means please go ahead! |
| 12:22 | <SimonSapin> | Hixie: Is "input elements whose type attribute is in the Hidden state" different from "input[type=hidden]" ? |
| 12:23 | <annevk> | SimonSapin: well, depends on how precise you want to go |
| 12:24 | <SimonSapin> | The Rendering chapter has "The user agent is expected to force the 'display' property of input elements whose type attribute is in the Hidden state to compute to 'none', irrespective of CSS rules.", and I’m hoping to encode that as input[type=hidden] { display: none !important; } |
| 12:24 | <SimonSapin> | in the UA stylesheet |
| 12:24 | <jgraham> | annevk: Are there any specific tests that you think out to be reviewed as a priority? |
| 12:26 | <annevk> | jgraham: just wondering about the contributors |
| 12:26 | <annevk> | SimonSapin: it would need to be [type=hidden i] or some such, no? |
| 12:27 | <jgraham> | annevk: What do you mean "wondering about the contributers"? |
| 12:27 | <annevk> | jgraham: well if I contributed something and had to wait over a year I would not be pleased |
| 12:28 | <darobin> | SimonSapin: but that could be overridden with another !important |
| 12:29 | <SimonSapin> | darobin: only in the UA stylesheet, which we control |
| 12:29 | <SimonSapin> | annevk: good point |
| 12:29 | <SimonSapin> | https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/infrastructure.html#enumerated-attribute is what I was looking for |
| 12:30 | <darobin> | mmm, indeed |
| 12:31 | <annevk> | SimonSapin: FWIW, I think the HTML UA stylesheet was written when the rule about !important was not normative in CSS |
| 12:32 | <SimonSapin> | ok |
| 12:32 | <SimonSapin> | I’d like more on this chapter to be expressed in CSS rather than prose, when possible |
| 12:32 | <annevk> | Who doesn't |
| 12:42 | <jgraham> | annevk: Well I have sontributed things and waited over a year… |
| 12:42 | <annevk> | jgraham: how did it make you feel? :) |
| 12:43 | <jgraham> | But the sad truth at the moment is that we don't have enough people doing review and the people we do have are concentrating on the expected highest-value items i.e. things from other well known contributers |
| 12:43 | <jgraham> | annevk: Like the system is broken :) |
| 12:45 | <Ms2ger> | annevk, interested in reviewing d3e tests? |
| 12:46 | <annevk> | Ms2ger: not today, HTTP cache stuff is eating me alive |
| 12:47 | <annevk> | Ms2ger: but the state of things has made me consider whether I should take some time for testing again, yes |
| 12:47 | <Ms2ger> | Your help would definitely be much appreciated |
| 12:47 | Ms2ger | should finish up the selectorsapi stuff |
| 12:48 | <annevk> | Ms2ger: is that moving to DOM? |
| 12:48 | <Ms2ger> | Yeah |
| 12:49 | <annevk> | cool |
| 12:50 | <Ms2ger> | Pretty sure the find/findAll ones are way out of date, though :/ |
| 12:56 | <darobin> | annevk: yeah, your help would be wicked cool |
| 12:56 | <annevk> | Ms2ger: given that those have different names today... |
| 12:57 | <Ms2ger> | Names are easy :) |
| 13:02 | <annevk> | Hmm, David Sheets again |
| 13:39 | <SteveF_> | annevk: at least its not me giving you the sheets |
| 13:41 | <annevk> | SteveF_: I have no idea what that means |
| 13:41 | <annevk> | (and I cannot find it online either) |
| 13:42 | <SteveF_> | annevk: giving you the shits, stupid play on his name, have been following the discussion on mailing list |
| 13:43 | <annevk> | He was there a couple years ago on the WHATWG list too. That he still doesn't understand what is happening is kind of astonishing. Especially now he basically started a CG to compete with the effort... |
| 13:48 | <SteveF_> | yeah i sawthat |
| 13:52 | <annevk> | And although people make a lot of fuss about competing standards, I would not be opposed. Might help to see the different perspectives and then let the market decide. Worked well for XHTML2 vs HTML5. |
| 13:54 | <darobin> | annevk: I found the people of that CG! They're the ones in the top left corner in http://w3cmemes.tumblr.com/post/99476419232/rodents-of-unusual-size-strike-again |
| 13:56 | <annevk> | This reminds of me of that really hilarious GitHub thread that inspired the logo for the URL Standard |
| 13:58 | <annevk> | Tantek showed it during TPAC at one point... Hmm http://tantek.com/2011/238/b1/many-ways-slice-url-name-pieces |
| 13:59 | <annevk> | Or maybe someone else, https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/1580 is the one |
| 14:00 | <annevk> | https://camo.githubusercontent.com/bd208bf0093648b4ad23a56faa584596580f76f5/687474703a2f2f692e696d6775722e636f6d2f3163776d352e706e67 was the inspiration |
| 14:00 | <annevk> | Or rather obscure reference |
| 15:22 | <SimonSapin> | Should HTML spec bugs go to the mailing list or bugzilla? |
| 15:23 | <ErayAydin> | Hi I need an idea for my project. Its domain http://acikteknoloji.com (means in english: OpenTechnology.com). I can't find a main category. Open Source Programs ? Technology News ? Programming Tutorials ? |
| 15:24 | <annevk> | SimonSapin: either way is fine |
| 15:24 | <annevk> | SimonSapin: I would file a bug for trivial things |
| 15:25 | <annevk> | ErayAydin: what is it you want to do? |
| 15:26 | <ErayAydin> | annevk: I can't decide |
| 15:26 | <ErayAydin> | annevk: for now I have 3 idea. "Open Source Programs Guide", "Technology News", "Programming Tutorials" |
| 15:27 | <annevk> | ErayAydin: so it sounds like you want to write |
| 15:28 | <annevk> | ErayAydin: I recommend just writing down what you feel excited about at any particular moment and publishing that (i.e. blogging) |
| 15:29 | <ErayAydin> | annevk: I tried that but Its like flood. Games, Mobiles, Programming, Open Source Programs .... Its crowd |
| 15:29 | <ErayAydin> | I need only one category. Main thing for this site |
| 15:30 | <annevk> | ErayAydin: roll a dice? |
| 15:30 | <ErayAydin> | annevk: :) good idea |
| 15:45 | <Hixie> | SimonSapin: input[type=hidden i] would be what it is in this case, but e.g. for the Text case it's more complicated. |
| 22:22 | <say2joe> | @Hixie: nice honorable mention in https://dev.opera.com/articles/css-twenty-years-hakon/ |
| 23:02 | <Hixie> | say2joe: :-) |
| 23:48 | <Hixie> | who are good implementors to cc for shared worker stuff? |
| 23:49 | <Hixie> | (https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24691 is asking, quite reasonably i think, for a shared worker that survives page loads within an origin) |
| 23:49 | <Hixie> | hsivonen: ping https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26783 |
| 23:50 | <boogyman> | Hixie: doesn't that break the HTTP protocol of being stateless? |
| 23:51 | <Hixie> | HTTP stopped being stateless long ago |
| 23:51 | <Hixie> | but in any case, no |
| 23:51 | <Hixie> | since this isn't tied to HTTP |
| 23:54 | <boogyman> | well, as soon as cookies were introduced (among other means) it became stateless, but those require some other technology to process them, where workers are a technology by themselves. |
| 23:54 | <boogyman> | stateful* |
| 23:55 | <Hixie> | i don't see how surviving shared workers would be any different than, say, localStorage, or indexDB, or a sibling iframe, or... |
| 23:59 | <boogyman> | I see the first two as no different from cookies, and a sibling iframe as similar to xhr |
| 23:59 | <Hixie> | then i don't understand what you mean by "some other technology" |